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Ulster Ladies Intermediate Final

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Monaghan Harps Ladies GFC Press Release

On Sunday 2nd November 2014 Monaghan Harps Ladies GFC played in the Intermediate Ulster Club Championship Final 2014 against Four Masters (Donegal).

The score at the final whistle was Monaghan Harps 1-08 (11) Four Masters 2-04 (10).

The scorers from both teams that resulted in this final score line were as follows:
First Half
Donegal point: Kelly Lacey point (Four Masters 0-01 - Monaghan Harps 0-00)
Monaghan Goal: Yvonne Connell goal (Four Masters 0-01 - Monaghan Harps 1-00)
Donegal point: Patrice Rooney point (Four Masters 0-02 - Monaghan Harps 1-00)
Monaghan point: Donna Marie Morgan point (Four Masters 0-02 - Monaghan Harps 1-01)
Donegal pt: Kate Keaney point (Four Masters 0-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-01)
Monaghan pt: Sinead Maguire point (Four Masters 0-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-02) Half Time Score - Four Masters 0-03 Monaghan Harps 1-02

Second Half
Donegal goal: Patrice Rooney goal (Four Masters 1-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-02)
Monaghan pt: Donna Marie Morgan point (Four Masters1-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-03)
Monaghan pt: Donna Marie Morgan point (Four Masters1-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-04)
Monaghan pt: Emma Clerkin point (Four Masters 1-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-05)
Monaghan pt: Eimear O'Rourke point (Four Masters 1-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-06)
Monaghan pt: Donna Marie Morgan point (Four Masters 1-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-07)
Monaghan pt: Jennifer Treanor point (Four Masters 1-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-08)
Donegal goal: Kate McGowan goal (Four Masters 2-03 - Monaghan Harps 1-08)
Donegal pt: Kelly Lacey point (Four Masters 2-04 (10) - Monaghan Harps 1-08 (11))

It transpired after the final whistle, that the referee had been providing a differing score line to players on both teams, who happened to be in his vicinity, but not all players on the field had been informed of the referee's inaccurate score line and players were continuing to play to the final whistle based on the actual 2-4 to 1-8 score line evident on the score board.

This actual 2-04 to 1-08 score line was evident from
• the scores which had actually occurred during the game as detailed above,
• the scoreboard, which was operated by experienced personnel (resident scorekeepers at Brewster Park) who operated the scoreboard in accordance with signals
made by the umpires or referee
• the fourth official (who is a member of neither Four Masters or Monaghan Harps clubs) confirmed that he had the same score line as the score board immediately
after the match,
• the ulster council president & ulster council fixtures secretary who were keeping tally of the score and scorers to assist them in selecting a player of the match,
• the media - independent media as well as media from Donegal and Monaghan, including Four Masters own Twitter account as well as that of Ulster Council
• the reaction of the crowd whereby Four Masters supporters were magnanimous in defeat and congratulated their opposing jubilant Monaghan Harps supporters.

Monaghan Harps Ladies won the Ulster title fairly on the field of play and it is already an injustice that Monaghan Harps Ladies were not presented with their 2014 Ulster title on Sunday 2nd November in Brewster Park.

At the final whistle the referee detailed a score line of Four Masters 2-06 Monaghan Harps 1-06 (one can only surmise that the referee inadvertently awarded 2 of Monaghan Harps Ladies points to the Four Masters tally).The referee then left the field of play amid scenes of disbelief.
After a significant period of time the ulster president announced a new score line of Monaghan Harps 1-08 Four Masters 2-05, therefore, attributing an unaccounted point to Four Masters tally.
Monaghan Harps Ladies GFC understand from the Ulster Council website that the game will be discussed on Tuesday night by Ulster Council at a meeting and Monaghan Harps Ladies GFC will determine their next course of action pending the findings of this meeting.

MeathGAAHead (Meath) - Posts: 87 - 04/11/2014 08:23:37    1669512

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Was the match recorded for TV?? Absolutely crazy stuff. Hopefully someone will see sense.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1070 - 04/11/2014 08:49:51    1669519

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Here's a video from Jerome Quinn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z30TO3PFHLI&list=UUWKncjObYTJHmYmv7oM0KMA

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 865 - 04/11/2014 11:21:29    1669558

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Wasn't there so can't comment but a slightly different version of events on Four Masters website.

Four Master's Ulster Intermediate Ladies Football Final with Monaghan Harps on Sunday was deemed a draw after a bizarre finish in Enniskillen.

The Donegal girls thought they had won the game under the communication with the referee but the scoreboard indicated Monaghan had won it by a point.

Officials called a draw and the Ulster Ladies Council will meet on it on Tuesday night.

The Four Master club released a statement on the issue this morning.

Four Masters Ladies contested the Ulster Intermediate Final against Monaghan Harps on Sunday 2nd November in Enniskillen. It transpired during the second half that the referee noticed that the score board was incorrect and he drew this to the attention of the linesperson who notified the fourth official on at least two occasions. He subsequently notified the players and continued for the remainder of the game to keep the players informed of the score. Subsequently when Kelly Lacey pointed the last score he told both sides that Four Masters were up by 3 points. For the dying stages of the game (i.e. last five minutes) Four Masters changed their game plan to a more defensive one under the pretence that they were winning due to the information being given to both sides.

When the final whistle blew Four Masters were jubilant while Monaghan were naturally disappointed. It was evident for all supporters to see that Monaghan Harps players dropped to their knees in despair in relation to their loss, aware themselves of the information being supplied by the referee. But Four Masters were not awarded the trophy and consternation followed as to who had won the game…the scoreboard saying Monaghan and the referee saying Four Masters.

Why were Four Masters not presented with the Ulster trophy when the referee said they had won?
Why did the Chairman of Ulster Council make an announcement that the match was a draw and a date for the replay would be decided on?
Why was the referee's score disregarded by Ulster Council?
Why did the fourth official not act on the referee's request to amend the scoreboard, despite officiators (i.e. umpires and linespeople) being consulted twice during the game in relation to the score?
Why was the fourth official a member of the Monaghan Harps club?

Four Masters players, management and supporters are understandably very upset by the outcome of today's match and bewildered by the following which appeared on the Ulster Ladies GAA website.

"The Ulster intermediate final was declared a draw. Ulster Council will meet on Tuesday night to discuss this game."

Who declared the match a draw? And why? Four Masters wish to seek clarification on all of the above.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 478 - 04/11/2014 12:47:44    1669596

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Very interesting contrary view to what is on the Monaghan harps website - but no mention of the scorers or times of scores which are in the Monaghan version of events. Obviously a disasterous refereeing performance and a real shame for the players involved.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 299 - 04/11/2014 14:46:29    1669634

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Four masters on their own twitter account had monaghan harps winning. So its time they do the honourable thing and admit defeat. The referee mad an all mighty error and obviously he hadn't an umpire taken the scores which all referees have to make sure the score is correct.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1841 - 04/11/2014 15:07:56    1669644

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Cannot see any other outcome other than a replay. Ref made a mess of this one by the sounds of it in numerous ways. Firstly by marking the scores wrong and secondly for not checking with someone else before telling players that the wrong team was winning. By the looks of it Monaghan Harps did score more than Four Masters. But if Four Masters were told they were winning (by 3 points) then they don't need to push on and try score anymore. So even if they have lost by one I reckon this has replay written all over it - and a different Ref!!

Tim_NicebutDim (Monaghan) - Posts: 327 - 04/11/2014 15:37:58    1669654

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Ulster Ladies council have awarded Harps the game this evening!

twouptwodown (Monaghan) - Posts: 55 - 04/11/2014 20:57:30    1669742

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Replay scheduled for tomorrow night

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 478 - 13/11/2014 10:56:19    1671923

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Well done to harps for beating four masters twice to win ulster.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1841 - 14/11/2014 21:48:32    1672413

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Justice done, fair play to the Harps.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 865 - 14/11/2014 21:51:17    1672417

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