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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I saw a lot of Paul Barden over the years as Longford and Wicklow met in league, championship and O'Byrne cup fixtures. Paul Barden was an outstanding football and if he played for one of the stronger counties like Dublin or Kerry, he would have won at least one if not more all star awards over the course of his career. He had everything: speed, ball skills, athleticism and team work. Leighton Glynn deserved an all star for his performances when Micko was in charge of Wicklow but while he got selected; he never had a chance of winning such an award. Personally, I don't think it is as big a horray as it was back in the 1990s due to the predictability, by and large of the selections. For me, John Heslin is one of the best forwards in Ireland currently but unfortunately, he won't an all star unless he moves to play with a strong county team. Maybe that is the way players will see it in future. It is happening at club level, how long before it is the trend at intercounty level?"
As his clubman I have seen more of Paul than most and he is an "All Star" but it does not bother me that he never received an actual award. We know his brilliance. The All Stars are the team of the championship and through no fault of his own the furthest Longford progressed in his time was a fourth round qualifier defeat. You can't expect to get an All Star ahead of players who have played really well on the biggest days - the All Ireland semi finals and final. Enda Smith must surely be an outlier. What annoys me more is that it's Brendan Barden who never received an All Star, for some reason the GAA decided to have no awards between what were the Cuchullain awards (Brendan has one of these) and the All Stars as we know them today

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 224 - 20/11/2023 15:12:06    2513883

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Its not about who your team beats ,its about how the player played and Tbf Ends Smith was outstanding this year.The all stars is supposed to be the best players over the year and Smith fully deserved his award imo.I think the selectors got it fairly right tbh.I though Shane Ryan unlucky (statistic wise he was best)but cant begrudge Ckuxton either.I though Sean O Shea a little lucky but overall i think its a good selection."
You're right in saying an all star team is supposed to be about the best players over the course of the season but that's obviously not the case in the GAA. There is key criteria required to be selected for a GAA All Star: 1 How far your county travelled in the All Ireland championship (the further the better your chances), then 2. your individual performances matter. So yes it's all about how your team fares in the championship first and foremost. The fact that only nine non quarter finalists have been chosen for All Stars since 2002 tells you all you need to know. I was shocked on Friday night when Roscommon got one for the poor All Ireland championship they had but I wouldn't begrudge Enda Smith as he is an exceptional footballer. He's in the 1 %.

All Stars breakdown 2023-2010, info obtained from Twitter.
All Ireland champions 44 %
All Ireland finalists 26 %
All Ireland semi finalists 23 %
All Ireland quarter finalists 6 %
All Ireland Last 12 1 %

2023
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 5
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Derry (All Ireland semi finalists) 4
Monaghan (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Roscommon (Last 12) 1

2022
Kerry (All Ireland champions) 7
Galway (All Ireland finalists) 5
Derry (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2021
Tyrone (All Ireland champions) 8
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 3
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2020
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 9
Cavan (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 2
Tipperary (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2019
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2018
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Monaghan (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Tyrone (All Ireland finalists) 2
Galway (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1
Kerry (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2017
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 6
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2016
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4
Tyrone (All Ireland quarter finalists) 2
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Tipperary (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2015
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Monaghan (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2014
Kerry (All Ireland champions) 5
Donegal (All Ireland finalists) 4
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 3

2013
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4
Monaghan (All Ireland quarter finalists) 2
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2012
Donegal (All Ireland champions) 8
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4
Cork (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2011
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Donegal (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Kildare (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2010
Cork (All Ireland champions) 4
Down (All Ireland finalists) 4
Kildare (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Tyrone (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1
Kerry (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1
Louth (Last 12) 1
Sligo (Last 12) 1

summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 316 - 20/11/2023 16:55:08    2513900

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Replying To summerof09:  "You're right in saying an all star team is supposed to be about the best players over the course of the season but that's obviously not the case in the GAA. There is key criteria required to be selected for a GAA All Star: 1 How far your county travelled in the All Ireland championship (the further the better your chances), then 2. your individual performances matter. So yes it's all about how your team fares in the championship first and foremost. The fact that only nine non quarter finalists have been chosen for All Stars since 2002 tells you all you need to know. I was shocked on Friday night when Roscommon got one for the poor All Ireland championship they had but I wouldn't begrudge Enda Smith as he is an exceptional footballer. He's in the 1 %.

All Stars breakdown 2023-2010, info obtained from Twitter.
All Ireland champions 44 %
All Ireland finalists 26 %
All Ireland semi finalists 23 %
All Ireland quarter finalists 6 %
All Ireland Last 12 1 %

2023
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 5
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Derry (All Ireland semi finalists) 4
Monaghan (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Roscommon (Last 12) 1

2022
Kerry (All Ireland champions) 7
Galway (All Ireland finalists) 5
Derry (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2021
Tyrone (All Ireland champions) 8
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 3
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2020
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 9
Cavan (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 2
Tipperary (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2019
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2018
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Monaghan (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Tyrone (All Ireland finalists) 2
Galway (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1
Kerry (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2017
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 6
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2016
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4
Tyrone (All Ireland quarter finalists) 2
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Tipperary (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Donegal (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2015
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 7
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Monaghan (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2014
Kerry (All Ireland champions) 5
Donegal (All Ireland finalists) 4
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 3

2013
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4
Monaghan (All Ireland quarter finalists) 2
Kerry (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Tyrone (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2012
Donegal (All Ireland champions) 8
Mayo (All Ireland finalists) 4
Cork (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1

2011
Dublin (All Ireland champions) 6
Kerry (All Ireland finalists) 4
Donegal (All Ireland semi finalists) 3
Mayo (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Kildare (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1

2010
Cork (All Ireland champions) 4
Down (All Ireland finalists) 4
Kildare (All Ireland semi finalists) 2
Dublin (All Ireland semi finalists) 1
Tyrone (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1
Kerry (All Ireland quarter finalists) 1
Louth (Last 12) 1
Sligo (Last 12) 1"
Summer, thanks for your time and effort, but this type of quantitative data is HS (and I don't mean Hoganstand). Please come back with some qualitative data, for in the end of the day, as CiarraiMick points out above the awards are not based on how the team performs, but on how individuals performed in their individual positions (a few exceptions have been made over the years). Obviously, the more exposure and games should be to the benefit of players. However, not always, a la Stephen O'Brien in 2019. If he have had been injured for the final, let's say, he'd probably have won an award but his performance let him down.

Please try to get over a Roscommon man winning one, with Meath nowhere even near the hind teat.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2045 - 20/11/2023 17:48:43    2513908

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Summer, thanks for your time and effort, but this type of quantitative data is HS (and I don't mean Hoganstand). Please come back with some qualitative data, for in the end of the day, as CiarraiMick points out above the awards are not based on how the team performs, but on how individuals performed in their individual positions (a few exceptions have been made over the years). Obviously, the more exposure and games should be to the benefit of players. However, not always, a la Stephen O'Brien in 2019. If he have had been injured for the final, let's say, he'd probably have won an award but his performance let him down.

Please try to get over a Roscommon man winning one, with Meath nowhere even near the hind teat."
That's someone else's work, not mine. It proves the point that the awards are based on how teams perform first of all (All Ireland champions will generally get the most, one or two more than the All Ireland finalists and the rest are divided between the semi finalists and quarter finalists. Enda Smith is one of the small number of players that has bucked the trend. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that Roscommon are celebrating an All Star and I'm aware that Meath are far off the pace.

summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 316 - 21/11/2023 08:15:37    2513961

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Replying To crafty:  "Smith stands out because he's a decent player on an average team."
An average team doesn't finish 3rd in Div 1, beat Mayo in MacHale Park and held Dublin to 1-11 to a draw in Croke Park. Furthermore twice in the last 6 years Roscommon beat your own Galway by a bit to spare in Connacht final in Pearse Stadium.

Enda Smith is one of number of decent players they have. From the Daly brothers,Brian Stack, Ciaran, Diarmuid Murtagh etc.

Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 173 - 21/11/2023 20:56:22    2514099

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