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Congratulations to all management and squad members on becoming League Champs playing top class football and showing great talent, organization, discipline and determination and commitment. For the last 6 years and more we all could see this group of players had more talent coming through from underage work than ever in our Rossie history. We hoped that one day, somehow, we would be able to create and build up an organizational system which would allow the talent to achieve its potential. We all had to have great patience because this takes time and a lot of commitment. Thanks to the work of various managers and coaches this special group of players now own a clear system and way of playing suited to their talent and are now achieving their promised potential. And heaven knows where it will take us ! We had successes and we had failures. This group showed in the last 2 weeks especially that it has learned an awful lot from both. Long may it last. Hon the Rossies.

michael (Cork) - Posts: 371 - 25/10/2020 20:31:36    2301358

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One area of concern is given we had 8 changes yesterday from last week it is obvious though that if we lose anyone our panel outside of 21/22 is fairly limited.
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We were missing 15 of the 26 from the Armagh game.

I'll go through the 7 subs that was missing.

Conor Hussey who was a regular starter last year
Gary Patterson started plenty of NFL games
Shane Killoran starter and just back since serious injury
Eddie Nolan one of stand out players in the Club championship

And the two Glaveys lads Dylan Ruane, Cathal Heneghan and 2nd choice keeper Paddy O'Malley

With all the injuries and player opt outs for the opening 4 NFL games we had fairly limited panel, right now we most certainly do not. 20 of the 24 from last Saturdays panel plus the 15 missing = 35 will all be in contention for the match day panel and with everyone fit and available it will be no easy task for management picking the 26 for the Connacht semi final.

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Cavan had a lot of wides and missed a great goal chance in last ten minutes which would have left a point in it. Given that they are a Division 3 side now it would be worrying all the same
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They aren't a Div 3 team until the first game there next year. Last year they were a Div 1 team along with ourselves and beat us comfortably.

Their wides had plenty to do with where they were forced to shoot from. That great goal chance would have been a pure fluke, a point effort that came off the post and dropped into the arms of the Cavan player. That was a game we were expected to lose, 3/1 to win with the bookies before the game because they and punters knew we missing 15 players and a manager, selector on the sideline yet we basically had the contest won by the 45th minute when we led by 6 points.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 2786 - 26/10/2020 13:50:03    2301612

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Roscommon deserve serious credit for that Div 2. campaign. So many injuries at the start, away to Armagh, Cavan and Kildare, 5 wins on the bounce including Saturday with 15 missing.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2523 - 26/10/2020 18:45:49    2301733

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "Gearoid Keenan another lad worth a look will be interesting to see how he gets on against tadgh Orourke in the intermiediate final"
Think Midfield is where Ros have most scope for improvement if they are to break into the top 5, I think both Shines would add a lot to the squad if they were available.

roscommon1944 (Roscommon) - Posts: 213 - 26/10/2020 19:48:25    2301749

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Replying To roscommon1944:  "Think Midfield is where Ros have most scope for improvement if they are to break into the top 5, I think both Shines would add a lot to the squad if they were available."
I think the Inter County ship has probably sailed for the Shines. In terms of midfield options now and years ahead it's looking at Eddie Nolan currently in the panel, Young players with potential such as Keith Doyle, Shane Cunnane, Enda Crawley and Dylan Summer. Awful shame that a talented young midfielder Conor Shanagher was forced to retire.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2411 - 26/10/2020 22:15:04    2301815

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Roscommon deserve great credit for having played the Cavan game in the circumstances. Isnt it true that once we had beaten Armagh we could not be caught( because of head to head wins over Armagh and Westmeath + score diff.) ? We were already promoted AND as champions. And if we had stayed at home, imagine, Cavan would have gone up to Div 1 instead of Monaghan ! But Roscommon did the correct thing and gained a lot from it especially valuable playing time for some returning and young players.

michael (Cork) - Posts: 371 - 27/10/2020 08:47:38    2301854

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Replying To michael:  "Roscommon deserve great credit for having played the Cavan game in the circumstances. Isnt it true that once we had beaten Armagh we could not be caught( because of head to head wins over Armagh and Westmeath + score diff.) ? We were already promoted AND as champions. And if we had stayed at home, imagine, Cavan would have gone up to Div 1 instead of Monaghan ! But Roscommon did the correct thing and gained a lot from it especially valuable playing time for some returning and young players."
Not exactly, We needed at least a point to win the League and a very small bit still a slight chance had results gone against us and westmeath had hammered Kildare we may not have got promoted. The game was great as you say to give returning and fringe players valuable game time

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 607 - 27/10/2020 10:01:47    2301871

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Replying To michael:  "Roscommon deserve great credit for having played the Cavan game in the circumstances. Isnt it true that once we had beaten Armagh we could not be caught( because of head to head wins over Armagh and Westmeath + score diff.) ? We were already promoted AND as champions. And if we had stayed at home, imagine, Cavan would have gone up to Div 1 instead of Monaghan ! But Roscommon did the correct thing and gained a lot from it especially valuable playing time for some returning and young players."
Cavan would have gone up? Not sure about that. With Armagh winning they were going to go up and if they slipped up Kildare were going to pounce. We were never going to concede. We have enough to compete and Cavan had withdrawals because of covid as well. A very very good achievement by the senior footballers and great challenges await in a very competitive div one next year and let's pray that we can hope to see thousands of fans in the Hyde where we can possibly have home games against the likes of Kerry and Dublin and Tyrone..and we can aspire to be comfortable playing the best in Ireland.
All eyes turn to chsp now.

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1003 - 27/10/2020 11:06:25    2301906

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Replying To moros:  "Cavan would have gone up? Not sure about that. With Armagh winning they were going to go up and if they slipped up Kildare were going to pounce. We were never going to concede. We have enough to compete and Cavan had withdrawals because of covid as well. A very very good achievement by the senior footballers and great challenges await in a very competitive div one next year and let's pray that we can hope to see thousands of fans in the Hyde where we can possibly have home games against the likes of Kerry and Dublin and Tyrone..and we can aspire to be comfortable playing the best in Ireland.
All eyes turn to chsp now."
Sorry, my mistake. Cavan would have survived relagaion, not gone up. You are right.

michael (Cork) - Posts: 371 - 27/10/2020 11:20:12    2301916

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A lot of the national newspapers are reporting today that next year's league will be a regional one off league. The normal four divsion format to return in 2022 with Roscommon in division 1.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2411 - 27/10/2020 15:06:41    2302076

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What does that entail? I haven't seen any papers today

ross4sam11 (Roscommon) - Posts: 75 - 27/10/2020 17:25:21    2302163

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Replying To ross4sam11:  "What does that entail? I haven't seen any papers today"
Different proposals with nothing decided on yet. The idea of regional divisions would limit travel and also reduce the size of the fixture list for 2021.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2411 - 27/10/2020 19:13:03    2302218

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Div 1 for next year looks like two group of 4.

Group 1 - Roscommon, Galway, Dublin, Kerry

Group 2 - Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh

Top two in each group play in the semi finals

Bottom two in group have relegation play off.


All to be rubber stamped yet and if given the green light would you be happy with that format or had preferred the standard format of playing the 7 teams kept in place?

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 2786 - 27/11/2020 15:00:57    2315943

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Div 1 for next year looks like two group of 4.

Group 1 - Roscommon, Galway, Dublin, Kerry

Group 2 - Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh

Top two in each group play in the semi finals

Bottom two in group have relegation play off.


All to be rubber stamped yet and if given the green light would you be happy with that format or had preferred the standard format of playing the 7 teams kept in place?"
I think it is a good format. Sport is strange, 3 teams not in Division 1 will be contesting the all ireland semi finals, Cavan, Tipperary and Mayo and people say that you have to be in Division 1 to have a good run in the championships. This year's championship blows that theory completely out of the water. I for one would not mind if we continued with a no back door system next year - proper championship football and it is where upsets can happen.

rossno1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 277 - 27/11/2020 18:53:10    2315992

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Replying To rossno1:  "I think it is a good format. Sport is strange, 3 teams not in Division 1 will be contesting the all ireland semi finals, Cavan, Tipperary and Mayo and people say that you have to be in Division 1 to have a good run in the championships. This year's championship blows that theory completely out of the water. I for one would not mind if we continued with a no back door system next year - proper championship football and it is where upsets can happen."
Good format as in its better than what was in place?

The back door system is returning to the Championship next year which means it's less likely that underdogs such as Cavan, Tipperary reaching the last 4 but at least HQ have the sense to get rid of the group format for the last 8 which leaves the door open for an underdog to reach the last 4.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 2786 - 27/11/2020 20:04:51    2316015

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I think its a good format for 2021 with the current COVID scenario but I am old school and to win a league I believe you must play every team in the league so I would prefer to go back to playing every team in the league in 2022. Delighted with the update on the two groups of being 4 being scrapped for championship, it just did not work. I really hope too that we get the Dubs out of Dublin for games as I think it may be the only way to beat them.

rossno1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 277 - 27/11/2020 21:16:29    2316041

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Replying To rossno1:  "I think it is a good format. Sport is strange, 3 teams not in Division 1 will be contesting the all ireland semi finals, Cavan, Tipperary and Mayo and people say that you have to be in Division 1 to have a good run in the championships. This year's championship blows that theory completely out of the water. I for one would not mind if we continued with a no back door system next year - proper championship football and it is where upsets can happen."
Mayo were division 1 this year and for 23 years previous...hardly unusual for us to be contesting a semi final, our 9th in 10 years. We play in division 2 next year.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10473 - 27/11/2020 23:34:26    2316087

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Mayo were division 1 this year and for 23 years previous...hardly unusual for us to be contesting a semi final, our 9th in 10 years. We play in division 2 next year."
Cavan were in div one two out of the last 4 years.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 758 - 28/11/2020 19:20:54    2316240

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