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"Fresh TV Rights Deal"

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Replying To witnof:  "uibhfhaili1986 not going far enough. We should stop all sponsorship as well, as this also only provides for elitism"
I say not far enough, lets pay people to actually go to the matches. :).

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/09/2016 14:15:24    1913644

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Wrong , sky Ireland employs plenty of people in this country. Can we the put a ban on foreign companies sponsoring teams??? What utter rubbish."
The only people sky employ in Ireland is people to collect the subscriptions the make no programmes here, the fly in camera crews in to cover the games. Something like half of the tv commerical revenue generated goes to channels not based in ireland. The same people who support the sky deal will be complaining about the ouput from rte, tv3 or tg4.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/09/2016 16:28:55    1913747

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Replying To alano12:  "i disagree strongly that people are entitled to watch the games for free...you are not entitled to anything..lots of people in the world have to pay for things...we are no different...we also think water should be free in this country"
If everyone takes your attitude then no one is going to train the underage, been on the finance committees, line the pitch, collect on the gate, do unpire, wash the Jerseys etc unless the get paid and then what would happen clubs who already struggling would not be able to pay these people and would fold which would turn alot of people away from the game reducting ticket sales and donations.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/09/2016 16:37:55    1913754

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Replying To alano12:  "id like sky to have the league personally myself and id like tv3 to put in a strong bid for championship rights...the more competition rte gets the better"
The only reason sky are interested in the gaa is to keep there irish subscriptions in the summer months the have no interest in showing the league when the premier league and euro rugby is on. Putting the league on sky would be a disaster for it, when you see championship games only getting 7 thousand people on sky no one would see the games.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/09/2016 16:49:15    1913761

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Replying To ROS1:  "What rubbish are you talking about? The above poster is talking about the supporters such as myself who travel the country supporting our counties, go to all our club games, go to club and county games as a neutral, join county supporters groups, maybe pay club membership, do the yearly club lotto, do the weekly club lotto, do the the next door clubs lotto as you know the seller, contribute to various club fundraisers between the underage club, ladies club and the men's club and next door clubs fundraisers as well. Church gate collections, half time draws and raffes the list of money we hand over to the gaa is endless. I think not having to pay alot of money to a foregin station who don't send there revenue in Ireland to watch our games is not much to ask for."
They charge an admission fee to attend matches which is no different than a subscription channel charging people to watch the games on it.It really isn't any different but of course some people just want to ignore that because it doesn't suit their argument.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 13/09/2016 16:49:58    1913762

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "They charge an admission fee to attend matches which is no different than a subscription channel charging people to watch the games on it.It really isn't any different but of course some people just want to ignore that because it doesn't suit their argument."
Well it's far from exactly the same.

When you attend a game you pay for one game.

The only way to watch an exclusive to sky is to own a sky package which is a much larger marginal expense.

It's why people are more likely to get priced out.

I think it's also frustrating that the GAA are helping to contribute to the fragmentation that's going on in the television market.

It's next to impossible to watch every tv show you want to at a reasonable price with so many different platforms with their own exclusive content. I can understand someone who's getting priced out of their other TVs to be pretty pissed off that even their GAA viewing is now getting fragmented adding a further expense.

The TV industry is looking to squeeze everything out of the population and now the GAA is in bed with them.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 13/09/2016 17:11:20    1913776

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "They charge an admission fee to attend matches which is no different than a subscription channel charging people to watch the games on it.It really isn't any different but of course some people just want to ignore that because it doesn't suit their argument."
Well said.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/09/2016 17:29:45    1913784

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well said."
Not really.
Attending a game and watching it on TV are two very different experiences so you cant really compare the two.
I will say again, Sky deal in my opinion had nothing whatsoever to do with increased exposure or so called superior coverage or any of those red herrings.
To be honest id say the Sky gurus are probably as shocked as anyone to hear people like ye defending them.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/09/2016 18:18:11    1913804

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "They charge an admission fee to attend matches which is no different than a subscription channel charging people to watch the games on it.It really isn't any different but of course some people just want to ignore that because it doesn't suit their argument."
Attending a game and watching it on TV are two very different experiences so you know as well as i do that you cant compare the two, but you will because it "suits your argument".

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/09/2016 18:20:02    1913805

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "They charge an admission fee to attend matches which is no different than a subscription channel charging people to watch the games on it.It really isn't any different but of course some people just want to ignore that because it doesn't suit their argument."
There is a admission fee to many events which are shown on free to air tv. This post is about tv rights not admissions prices

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/09/2016 18:27:00    1913810

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Well it's far from exactly the same.

When you attend a game you pay for one game.

The only way to watch an exclusive to sky is to own a sky package which is a much larger marginal expense.

It's why people are more likely to get priced out.

I think it's also frustrating that the GAA are helping to contribute to the fragmentation that's going on in the television market.

It's next to impossible to watch every tv show you want to at a reasonable price with so many different platforms with their own exclusive content. I can understand someone who's getting priced out of their other TVs to be pretty pissed off that even their GAA viewing is now getting fragmented adding a further expense.

The TV industry is looking to squeeze everything out of the population and now the GAA is in bed with them."
As Bruce the boss was sang, 57 channels and nothing on.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/09/2016 18:31:29    1913814

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I think its fairly telling that seven pages in and the supporters of the sky deal are unable to come up with one advantage of the deal. Alot of people can't admit the were wrong 3 years ago

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/09/2016 18:32:13    1913815

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They charge an admission fee to attend matches which is no different than a subscription channel charging people to watch the games on it.It really isn't any different but of course some people just want to ignore that because it doesn't suit their argument.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:979 - 13/09/2016 16:49:58 1913762


People ignore that point, not because it doesn't suit their argument, but because it isn't true.

Paying into a match is not the same as paying extra on top of your TV License plus basic TV package (what you have to pay to get Sky Sports in the first place before adding the extra) to get access to games behind a paywall.

It would be similar to paying into the stadium and then being asked to pay to actually take your place in the stand/terrace.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 13/09/2016 18:39:43    1913821

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Well it's far from exactly the same.

When you attend a game you pay for one game.

The only way to watch an exclusive to sky is to own a sky package which is a much larger marginal expense.

It's why people are more likely to get priced out.

I think it's also frustrating that the GAA are helping to contribute to the fragmentation that's going on in the television market.

It's next to impossible to watch every tv show you want to at a reasonable price with so many different platforms with their own exclusive content. I can understand someone who's getting priced out of their other TVs to be pretty pissed off that even their GAA viewing is now getting fragmented adding a further expense.

The TV industry is looking to squeeze everything out of the population and now the GAA is in bed with them."
I just checked Sky's website and it now only €20 per month to add Sky sports to your package.

Pretty good value in fairness and around the same price as a championship ticket and you get to see a lot more than just 70 minutes of action.

Attending live sport is atrocious bad value for money , Sky is ten times better value for money if you are even only half interested in sport.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 13/09/2016 18:58:39    1913840

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Fair point. 20 euro per month is hardly penal.
However, how do you mean that its only 20 extra to add sky sports to your package?
How much is the package in the first place?
I have the basic UPC package and I looked into getting sky sports a few years ago and I found it very expensive (forget exactly what the price was, though it was more than 20 euro).

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/09/2016 19:49:10    1913871

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Just checked it there. Sky offered a deal to UPC customers, which involved spending 1 euro a month for 6 months (pretty good, eh?), after 6 months it goes up to 37.50 from then on.
Thats almost 450 euro a year after the initial 6 months. Its a few bob in fairness, and besides whatever the price, theres a principal involved.
Sky took these games and refused to give them back unless we paid them money. if a fella in a hood and a shell tracksuit did that youd call him a mugger.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/09/2016 19:56:55    1913876

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Replying To joncarter:  "Fair point. 20 euro per month is hardly penal.
However, how do you mean that its only 20 extra to add sky sports to your package?
How much is the package in the first place?
I have the basic UPC package and I looked into getting sky sports a few years ago and I found it very expensive (forget exactly what the price was, though it was more than 20 euro)."
Like majority in my area I have sky, have it for about 15 years now, the basic sky package is €38 pm , I get sky full package, including all movie channels, on demand, cinema , all sports channels, including F1 channel, (second sport love) for €68 per month. I find it extremely good value works out about 2.20 a day, the kids get all the Disney films etc all included. Couldn't ask for more. I dont see it as a extra cost I see it as great value for money for what you getting,

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/09/2016 20:12:03    1913890

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "I just checked Sky's website and it now only €20 per month to add Sky sports to your package.

Pretty good value in fairness and around the same price as a championship ticket and you get to see a lot more than just 70 minutes of action.

Attending live sport is atrocious bad value for money , Sky is ten times better value for money if you are even only half interested in sport."
Even taking €20 as the price (that's more than it was costing me at the time I cancelled my sky sports). You're talking about €240 a year, mainly qualifier game that cost a 1 time cost of €15 say. So no it's certainly not the same.

People can justify committing the odd €15 quid to a game, get out of the house see some friendly faces.

Committing €240 for GAA sports and whatever other sh1te they have is a different matter.

You may only care about 3 of the 14 exclusive games but you're stuck paying for them all.

Value for money is different for different people, there are plenty of people who literally cannot afford that extra expense a year.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 13/09/2016 20:21:12    1913894

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Even taking €20 as the price (that's more than it was costing me at the time I cancelled my sky sports). You're talking about €240 a year, mainly qualifier game that cost a 1 time cost of €15 say. So no it's certainly not the same.

People can justify committing the odd €15 quid to a game, get out of the house see some friendly faces.

Committing €240 for GAA sports and whatever other sh1te they have is a different matter.

You may only care about 3 of the 14 exclusive games but you're stuck paying for them all.

Value for money is different for different people, there are plenty of people who literally cannot afford that extra expense a year."
But is attending a match value for money? Taking all into consideration, is the season ticket value for money?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/09/2016 20:32:59    1913904

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Like majority in my area I have sky, have it for about 15 years now, the basic sky package is €38 pm , I get sky full package, including all movie channels, on demand, cinema , all sports channels, including F1 channel, (second sport love) for €68 per month. I find it extremely good value works out about 2.20 a day, the kids get all the Disney films etc all included. Couldn't ask for more. I dont see it as a extra cost I see it as great value for money for what you getting,"
How are you getting it son cheap? I think I'm paying over €100 per month for the same thing.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 13/09/2016 20:43:30    1913909

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