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gotmilk (Fermanagh) Royaldunne inhabits a place where almost everyone has Sky Sports packages. I'm not sure about other people's family, friends, and neighbours but I think most of mine don't have Sky Sports packages. For what's it's worth I have had Sky too in the past but didn't find it good value for money imo. Each to their own. We all have things that we decide to spend our discretionary income on. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 14/09/2016 11:40:43 1914130 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "Without those people there would be no tv deal. It's those people that keep the organisation alive, if you can't see that then there is no point debating this issue with anymore." Without people at grassroots soccer across the world there would be no professional soccer yet you don't here them thinking every single game should be on Free to air and that it's a massive insult to them to have to pay for watching the sport. The GAA is not the only sport in the world with volunteers, you act like it is unique in having volunteers. People need to face it that sport on Free to Air TV is a thing of the past.Live sport is the only thing traditional TV has left that gives it an edge and there will be barely no sport on Free To Air TV in ten years time if not sooner. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 14/09/2016 13:54:08 1914175 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Without people at grassroots soccer across the world there would be no professional soccer yet you don't here them thinking every single game should be on Free to air and that it's a massive insult to them to have to pay for watching the sport. The GAA is not the only sport in the world with volunteers, you act like it is unique in having volunteers. People need to face it that sport on Free to Air TV is a thing of the past.Live sport is the only thing traditional TV has left that gives it an edge and there will be barely no sport on Free To Air TV in ten years time if not sooner." It's different. The Premier League for instance is a corporation that runs its own league, trying to maximise their profits for the good of the 20 professional clubs that are its shareholders. There are multiple different similar companies with ownership of their own particular area of the sport. The GAA is the governing body of our sport. It has ownership of the rights of our games and sells them on behalf of the best interests of the association as a whole. Right now we are debating whether or not TV rights are good for our games. As Withnof does state 85% of delegates went ahead with allowing the rights to be sold to sky. There was due process, so we have to accept the decision. I'd say that shouldn't be the issue put to bed though, I feel it's of enough importance that it should be regularly reviewed. It is not the trivial matter some on here would have you believe. There are laws dictating what sporting events can and cannot be shown on pay tv. That to me shows how it is an important issue. It is not unreasonable for people to be voicing their dissent about it either. The OP was highlighting the comments of the President surrounding this matter. Those comments I find dismissive, in particular when considering quotes from his predecessors who were unequivocally against such policy. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 14/09/2016 14:12:21 1914177 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "Without people at grassroots soccer across the world there would be no professional soccer yet you don't here them thinking every single game should be on Free to air and that it's a massive insult to them to have to pay for watching the sport. The GAA is not the only sport in the world with volunteers, you act like it is unique in having volunteers. People need to face it that sport on Free to Air TV is a thing of the past.Live sport is the only thing traditional TV has left that gives it an edge and there will be barely no sport on Free To Air TV in ten years time if not sooner." Dear god what part of this don't you get? Go to clones on ulster final day and tell me who in the stadium is getting paid? Possibly two/three suits. Go to a league one game in England this weekend and the only people in the stadium NOT getting paid is the fans. Everyone else in it is making money on it. If gaelic games was professional I would have no issue with it, but everything about the gaa is supposed to be volunteer based and for the greater good of the community until it comes to making a quick buck. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 15:19:22 1914214 Link
100 quid a month on TV? Wow. I spend zero. It's all about choices. Money mustn't be an issue for some, to me that's the price of a great holiday. m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 14/09/2016 15:47:56 1914225 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "Dear god what part of this don't you get? Go to clones on ulster final day and tell me who in the stadium is getting paid? Possibly two/three suits. Go to a league one game in England this weekend and the only people in the stadium NOT getting paid is the fans. Everyone else in it is making money on it. If gaelic games was professional I would have no issue with it, but everything about the gaa is supposed to be volunteer based and for the greater good of the community until it comes to making a quick buck." I don't get the part where you seem to think that because the sport happens to have a large amount of volunteers it suddenly should be available for free to everybody. It's not available for free to attend so why is TV any different, it's just a different way of watching the match. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 14/09/2016 18:10:58 1914307 Link
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) It's not available for free to attend so why is TV any different Because if you're watching it on TV, you're not attending the match. You're not using the facilities the GAA need to pay for. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 14/09/2016 19:10:44 1914329 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "I don't get the part where you seem to think that because the sport happens to have a large amount of volunteers it suddenly should be available for free to everybody. It's not available for free to attend so why is TV any different, it's just a different way of watching the match." Watching a game live and on the tv are two different things. It's not a large amount of volunteers it is a volunteer organisation gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 19:21:36 1914331 Link
Can I ask if there is anyone in favour of the sky deal that hasn't sky? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 19:42:02 1914336 Link
Replying To Marlon_JD: "uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) It's not available for free to attend so why is TV any different Because if you're watching it on TV, you're not attending the match. You're not using the facilities the GAA need to pay for." How is it any different than the GAA extracting money from a broadcaster in order to cover the costs of their matches and the asking the fans to allow the broadcaster to cover the GAA's costs by subscribing to a channel? uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 14/09/2016 20:48:01 1914358 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "Can I ask if there is anyone in favour of the sky deal that hasn't sky?" That would prove my point about people just whinging about the deal because they think the GAA should provide them with entertainment for free. The days of sport being on free to air TV are dying out, people need to accept it whether they like it or not. There is less and less of it on free to air TV and there is a reason for that because subscriptions broadcaster offer a better service and can help sports by paying more money for the rights.The more money the GAA can potentially extract for the TV rights the better. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 14/09/2016 20:50:28 1914359 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "That would prove my point about people just whinging about the deal because they think the GAA should provide them with entertainment for free. The days of sport being on free to air TV are dying out, people need to accept it whether they like it or not. There is less and less of it on free to air TV and there is a reason for that because subscriptions broadcaster offer a better service and can help sports by paying more money for the rights.The more money the GAA can potentially extract for the TV rights the better." But they weren't getting much more money from sky over tv3. Well the fact that the only people who seem to be in favour of the sky deal are people who have it which backs up my point of the people of Ireland being selfish and only worrying about themselves. Just for the record I have access to sky in my house and watched all the games this years championship that weren't on rte on it. I still don't think they should have it because there are a lot of people who can not afford it. You keep on ignoring the fact that the GAA is amateur and voluntary throughout. The other sports you speak of are all professional where everyone is making money. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 21:29:50 1914369 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: " Replying To Marlon_JD: "uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) It's not available for free to attend so why is TV any different Because if you're watching it on TV, you're not attending the match. You're not using the facilities the GAA need to pay for." How is it any different than the GAA extracting money from a broadcaster in order to cover the costs of their matches and the asking the fans to allow the broadcaster to cover the GAA's costs by subscribing to a channel?" How is what any different? Are you still talking about differentiating between paying to attend a match, and paying to watch it, or something else? I'm not sure what you're asking in the context of my previous answer. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 14/09/2016 21:31:38 1914370 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "But they weren't getting much more money from sky over tv3. Well the fact that the only people who seem to be in favour of the sky deal are people who have it which backs up my point of the people of Ireland being selfish and only worrying about themselves. Just for the record I have access to sky in my house and watched all the games this years championship that weren't on rte on it. I still don't think they should have it because there are a lot of people who can not afford it. You keep on ignoring the fact that the GAA is amateur and voluntary throughout. The other sports you speak of are all professional where everyone is making money." college sports in america are amateur...no player is getting paid (officially)..their tv rights deals are worth millions....and not everyone in those sports are being paid..there is volunteers in lots of sports alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 21:41:32 1914375 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "But they weren't getting much more money from sky over tv3. Well the fact that the only people who seem to be in favour of the sky deal are people who have it which backs up my point of the people of Ireland being selfish and only worrying about themselves. Just for the record I have access to sky in my house and watched all the games this years championship that weren't on rte on it. I still don't think they should have it because there are a lot of people who can not afford it. You keep on ignoring the fact that the GAA is amateur and voluntary throughout. The other sports you speak of are all professional where everyone is making money." But they were getting more money, Common economic and business sense dictates you sell to highest bidder , is it not? As I said if tv3 pay more they should get it, Lets say you go to a auction (just as a example) and are bidding on something, you have the highest bid, but the auctioneer sells to the lower bidder, it doesn't happen. The GAA are entitled to sell the media deal to whoever pays the most, . If they sell for example to tv3 for 200k even if sky is offering lets say 350k , what sort of precedent does that set, ?? Both tv3 and RTÉ are well aware that the uproar from certain elements, they can say , hey lets give pittance as we know they cant go to sky, Does that make any sense? How would that help any of the volunteers? Clubs? Cb? The game as a whole? It would be a race to the bottom if you take the option of sky off the table. Its common sense royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/09/2016 21:42:52 1914376 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "I'm not a fan of league games being on setanta. I don't think they should either." yet i never see u kick up a fuss about it....strange that one alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 21:45:54 1914379 Link
Replying To alano12: "college sports in america are amateur...no player is getting paid (officially)..their tv rights deals are worth millions....and not everyone in those sports are being paid..there is volunteers in lots of sports" Everyone other than the players is getting paid in college sports and a lot of those players are getting paid on the side. The players actually receive money for their likeness in games too.. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 21:52:19 1914387 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "But they were getting more money, Common economic and business sense dictates you sell to highest bidder , is it not? As I said if tv3 pay more they should get it, Lets say you go to a auction (just as a example) and are bidding on something, you have the highest bid, but the auctioneer sells to the lower bidder, it doesn't happen. The GAA are entitled to sell the media deal to whoever pays the most, . If they sell for example to tv3 for 200k even if sky is offering lets say 350k , what sort of precedent does that set, ?? Both tv3 and RTÉ are well aware that the uproar from certain elements, they can say , hey lets give pittance as we know they cant go to sky, Does that make any sense? How would that help any of the volunteers? Clubs? Cb? The game as a whole? It would be a race to the bottom if you take the option of sky off the table. Its common sense" More money doesn't always mean better value for money. I'm guessing you don't have to buy anything in your employment. If you judge everything based solely on price i'm afraid you are on to a loser. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/09/2016 21:53:40 1914388 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Yep exactly, I would love to understand them games , but I'm not entitled cause I like 80% of population don't have a clue what they talking about royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:9494 - 13/09/2016 21:50:00 It's amazing that the Irish language has such an effect on your eyesight that you can't understand what's going on in a game if it is broadcast in Irish. I'd say the vast majority of people who have been watching Gaelic Games on TG4 for the past 15 years or so have probably picked up enough Irish from just watching the games to be able to follow what's going on. You don't have to be a Gaeilgeoir or make much effort to pick up on what's going on if you've been watching the games regularly. It doesn't cost you anything extra, not even effort." thats not the point...people are surely entitled to have games shown on the station that the nation speaks?...its a volunteer organisation after all...or they should be at least provided in subtitles which is not the case....in reality every match should be provided for in english..its a minimum requirement to ask for alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:01:19 1914394 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "It's still TV3 pundits with the same opinions. Yes McGuiness and Horan are an addition but when TV3 had the rights both of those were on the sideline. I honestly believe if McGuiness was on RTE and Whelan was on Sky you would be singing the praises of Whelan and criticising McGuiness. Just for the record i think Mcguiness is an excellent pundit and he really knows his stuff." there is no comparison between mcguiness and whelan but continue making a simplistic argument because i dont agree with your opinion...i comment on what i actually see and listen to alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/09/2016 22:02:29 1914396 Link