United being an English team playing in an English league definitely does come into it for some people, even if they wont admit it

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 25/04/2014 08:54:23    1579738

Of course it does liam, and it is always something that makes me dispair about us as a nation and our collective mentality. Why do we care so much while they (correctly) dont care at all? It is top quality soccer, all our own players compete there, are we actually saying that we cant take any joy out of that because of where it happens to be based? I just find that stance depressing.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 25/04/2014 10:07:48    1579756

we are agreeing on WAAAYYY too much lately Master....its kinda....weird!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 25/04/2014 10:19:31    1579762

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Of course it does liam, and it is always something that makes me dispair about us as a nation and our collective mentality. Why do we care so much while they (correctly) dont care at all? It is top quality soccer, all our own players compete there, are we actually saying that we cant take any joy out of that because of where it happens to be based? I just find that stance depressing.

but is the spanish and german leagues not a lot more attrcative to watch?
most will agree they are
but we dont here news on them why is that do you think?
why dont people support spanish or german soccer clubs if its better to watch?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 13:49:13    1579844

Liamwalkinstown

so how can you suggest soccer is bigger in ireland then gaa
do the fai rake in bigger attendances then the gaa?
do they rake in bigger tv audiences?
is the airtricity league more popular?
around the world soccer is more popular then gaa obviously
but around the world the house of commons is more popular then the dail too
but do rte show it ahead of the dail every day in their news bulletins
no because its not irish news
just like english soccer is not irish sports news
why can people not understand the concept
rte runs the irish national news bulletins not a world news bulletin

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 13:54:00    1579847

Htaem

so because something is on tv by rte means that the majority of the country want this
is that what your trying to make out
well how about when you watch a film on rte
does that mean the majority of the country want advertisment breaks during the film?
it must by your logic because they continue to show them
most people I know would rather no ads when watching a film

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 13:56:37    1579850

ormondbannerman

you really believe the american and british secret services cannot control what goes on social media?
do you really believe they do not dictate what news brodacts are shown around the world?
look at edward snowdon need we say more
how about the fact they could record so many phone calls in europe alone
angela merkels phone shes hardly an easy target now
how easy they can destroy or make somene is shown in a film called enemy of the state starring will smith
I suggest you watch this and take note this film was made in 1998 thats 16 years ago
you can only imagine how more advanced they are now at it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:01:44    1579852

ormanbannerman
Soccer is huge in Ireland at all levels, and Manchester United are still the most followed club in the country and so David Moyes getting sacked less than 1 season into a 5 season contract when he was the chosen successor of their greatest manager ever it is monstrous news.
Bringing in house of commons is nonsensical argument. You cannot compare Manchester united being discussed on news to the dail/commons as they are totally different arguments

soccer is not huge at all levels in ireland
international level its now behind rugby
club level its behind both the gaa and rugby
manchester untied the most followed soccer team in the country is that what you mean?
how is bringing in house of commons nonsensical?
they are the exact same arguement
politics has a section on the news the same as sports has a section on the news
now the rte news is the irish national news
therefore they have an obligation to give the irish news
they dont report from the house of commons in their political section over the dail
so why does the same code of ethics not apply to their sports section?
its hypocritical to continue presenting the news this way
also the main topic was the fact they gave this as the main news headlines on the irish national news
there was real news headlines happening that day
they should have as every other day been the main headlines
sport news is that sports news and should be in the sports news only

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:11:43    1579858

ormond

just admit it man you got caught out
you tryed to suggestwhy would irish people have an interest in sports played only in ireland
over HUGE country like england sports
when I point out you watch AIL or rabo over english rugby
you cannot even see how hyporcritical you are being

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:14:37    1579861

ormond

how am I being biggoted please enlighten me because I state the irish news should show irish sports news first
your just playing that usual card that the same people on here always play when you dont fall at the knees to worship everything english or american over irish.
rte exists to serve the public yes and why on all ireland final week when around half of the public in this country will be watching do they barely even mention the all ireland final?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:19:20    1579865

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Ormond
the usage of sic was fine. Quite arrogant yes but usage is fine
Such consistency in being wrong Ormo, it is admirable. Firstly why do consider it necessary or appropriate to be arrogant on a discussion board, you are adding nothing to the debate by being so? And secondly, (sic) is used after an incorrectly spelt word, usually when quoting the original text. I presume you used it as the poster had incorrectly spelt the word 'violence' in his post, but your post spells 'violence' correctly and follows it with (sic). It is amazing how one small thing can so succintly sum you up - arrogant, self-righteous, completely wrong and, when pulled up on it, you continue to argue the point. I await your retort that a friend of your parents is an English teacher and she told you it was right.

hahaha love it
the dogs english teachers name is margaery or sorry Margaery just incase he has a friend of a friend in the spelling police too

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:24:43    1579869

page number 8 is all to myself love it hahaha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:27:22    1579871

hill


Emm, no, I don't like ads but they're not there by popular demand, they're there to generate revenue, completely irrelevant to the debate hill. Anyway look short of watching sport I very rarely ever watch RTE, I certainly never watch the news, you don't need to when you have the internet, but I wouldn't get peeved over them leading with the Man U story.

United are a massive club globally and if it's a slow news day, as obviously it was then I can't see the harm in RTE leading with them sacking their manager...........like who cares? and why?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/04/2014 14:34:09    1579877

Hill, honestly man, answer this rationally now ok
genuinely, which do you think would be a bigger story to the general population of Ireland

(a) Manchester United manager being sacked
(b) Dublin football manager/Kerry Football manager being sacked

Tell me, honestly, which do you think would generate more interest and debate nationwide of those 3 possible scenarios.

Then tell me, is the function of the news not to report stories of interest to the general public, as opposed to stories we as Irish people idealistically SHOULD be interested in perhaps?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 25/04/2014 14:47:01    1579882

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hill


Emm, no, I don't like ads but they're not there by popular demand, they're there to generate revenue, completely irrelevant to the debate hill. Anyway look short of watching sport I very rarely ever watch RTE, I certainly never watch the news, you don't need to when you have the internet, but I wouldn't get peeved over them leading with the Man U story.

United are a massive club globally and if it's a slow news day, as obviously it was then I can't see the harm in RTE leading with them sacking their manager...........like who cares? and why?

yeah exactly haha and its the same with soccer on the news its there to gnerate revenue
not getting peeved just debating it haha
wasnt a slow news day at all though
several tragic stories and a burgulary at an apartment complex that left a woman fighting for her life
surely anybody can see how thats more relevant as a main news headline on the irish news then a soccer manager from another country
being sacked

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 14:57:55    1579891

25/04/2014 13:49:13 hill16no1man
but is the spanish and german leagues not a lot more attrcative to watch?
most will agree they are
but we dont here news on them why is that do you think?
why dont people support spanish or german soccer clubs if its better to watch? What connections do Irish people have with the Spanish/German leagues?
Irish players have links all through the years with a huge number of English clubs which cannot be said for Spanish or German clubs. England is also our closest neighbour and we have such a shared history.
Right at this moment Spanish, german leagues may be more attractive than the English league but English league had been ahead of them in not that long ago and is likely to be ahead of them again sooner rather than later as the dominant league is constantly changing

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/04/2014 14:58:04    1579892

25/04/2014 13:54:00
hill16no1man
Liamwalkinstown so how can you suggest soccer is bigger in ireland then gaa. do the fai rake in bigger attendances then the gaa?
do they rake in bigger tv audiences? is the airtricity league more popular?
around the world soccer is more popular then gaa obviously but around the world the house of commons is more popular then the dail too
but do rte show it ahead of the dail every day in their news bulletins no because its not irish news just like english soccer is not irish sports news
why can people not understand the concept
rte runs the irish national news bulletins not a world news bulletin Hill it depends on how you look at the sports. Soccer as its so easy to play jumpers for posts etc and if you include them in your analysis of the sport etc soccer is bigger. Maybe not through official numbers ec
You keep mentioning house of commons and comparing it to the dail and comparing them to English soccer being covered on the news but that's a totally invalid point. The premiership is where the best irish players play, the vast vast majority of irish soccer supporters follow premiership teams.
English soccer is irish sports news and is covered in the detail it is because of the demand of the irish public.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/04/2014 15:02:43    1579895

Liam,
I have no problem with RTE having Moyes sacking on the news, or indeed with anyone in Ireland supporting United or any other sports team outside Ireland, the issue is whether something like the sacking of a sports manager should ever be the lead story on the main news in Ireland, and particularly when it is a foreign sports team and so would have no real impact on anybodys life who is watching the news. I really, really dont think it should and it is only right to question the idea of the news editor making it so. It was not the lead story on the national broadcasters tv in the country the club are based, so for it to be considered the most important event of the day in the world by RTE news is strange. Only 2 newspapers, I think, ran with it as the main story over here - The Sun and The Star. That is the company RTE news now seem to keep. If Simon Cowell decides to get rid of Gary Barlow from X-Factor, more people are likely to be discussing that than some government policy/murder/international dispute, but surely you would not expect that to be the lead story on the news? Shouldnt be surprised by any of this though of course, not after the Taoiseach of the day doing his punditry gig on 'The Premiership' 10-12 years ago!

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 25/04/2014 15:11:08    1579903

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Hill, honestly man, answer this rationally now ok
genuinely, which do you think would be a bigger story to the general population of Ireland

(a) Manchester United manager being sacked
(b) Dublin football manager/Kerry Football manager being sacked

Tell me, honestly, which do you think would generate more interest and debate nationwide of those 3 possible scenarios.

Then tell me, is the function of the news not to report stories of interest to the general public, as opposed to stories we as Irish people idealistically SHOULD be interested in perhaps?

I agree the manchester untied manager being sacked is bigger news then a gaa manager being sacked
I dont think anybody disagrees or doesnt think so as soccer is a buisness and scandal is another huge buisness in soccer
gaa stories are generally kept in house( with exception of limerick county board)
but does this automatically mean as you put it soccer is bigger then gaa in ireland thats one aspect of both sports?
thats what you must ask yourself, does more people attend soccer?
do more people watch soccer on tv?
the facts would state no that gaa has bigger attendances and a bigger share of tv ratings
now as for your second question
you answered my reasoning for me by asking me
news bulletins the world over are given as they target people with a clear agenda
to make people interested in the storys that suit the people who are backing them.
they dont give you the whole story they only give you an angle to suit their financial backers
the irish national news is supposed to be a news bulletin for irish news
it does this in every aspect apart from sport
the weather,politics,legal and tragedy all cover irish headlines first and foremost
its only with sport where they become hypocritical and do not apply the same criteria
thats the point im making.
I mean you dont pick up the limerick post newspaper and read stroies from england or america over limerick news
local newspapers adhere to that very fact local news
national newspapers and media do the same thing in almost every aspect apart from sport

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 15:11:17    1579904

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25/04/2014 13:49:13 hill16no1man
but is the spanish and german leagues not a lot more attrcative to watch?
most will agree they are
but we dont here news on them why is that do you think?
why dont people support spanish or german soccer clubs if its better to watch? What connections do Irish people have with the Spanish/German leagues?

Irish players have links all through the years with a huge number of English clubs which cannot be said for Spanish or German clubs. England is also our closest neighbour and we have such a shared history.
Right at this moment Spanish, german leagues may be more attractive than the English league but English league had been ahead of them in not that long ago and is likely to be ahead of them again sooner rather than later as the dominant league is constantly changing

they only have links for the exact same reason MONEY
A shared history is far from what I would call it anyway
english soccer was never more attractive then spanish soccer
you just didnt see much spanish soccer shown to us
thats my point you think english stuff is the best because its widely put in your face
but how do you know theres not far better soccer in brazil for example
arent the national team known for playing the most attractive football in the world
would that mindset not have been instilled in them from playing in the brazilian league for example?
the dominant league in terms of money is england but has never dominated the champions league winners list
for all man utds so called brilliance how many times did they win the champions league in them years?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2014 15:16:51    1579907