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Meath V Dublin Leinster Final.

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Replying To Whyalwaysmeath:  "No problem chief, no one looking for a love in, I was only suggesting that lads don't get worked up about your posts!

We can agree to disagree, I'd be of the view that recent encounters would be more of a barometer than an AI medal from 7 years ago when comparing 2 teams and the likelihood of them putting it up to Dublin. Would also be of the view that Meath have some top ballers at the moment, albeit none of Murphy's ilk but not many counties do to be fair. Moot points though as while I obviously wish it were different, I just can't see either team beating Dublin this year."
Sure it was never my intention to get meath lads worked up ;)

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1766 - 20/06/2019 13:21:08    2197949

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Well from local sports journos In county is that Andy has the players as wound up as they have ever seen. One said they would walk through the walls rather than out the door of dressing room, more than that we cannot ask. There is really no pressure on team, winning division 2 league, and gaining promotion was goal one, goal two was to reach Leinster final, goal 3 was to reach super 8s , regardless of what happens we have two chances to have a tremendous successful year. "Sure we in it we might as well go and try and win it " Andy McEntee.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 20/06/2019 13:33:34    2197953

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Predict Meath will play well
Dubs up by 2 at half time and a decent game in prospect in the second half
Meath to still be level with 20 mins to go but Dubs to empty the bench and kick on to win by 8-10 points

Meath are a very decent side
Div 1 next year and worthy of respect. I think we will win, I would be very confident, but I expect a damn good show from Meath, and I am openly admitting I would LOVE it if the game was close with a few mins to go and we had a real game again.
Nothing stirs the soul of those of us 35+ who remember what this game is, or perhaps, was. Nothing.

if I was a meath man i would expect and accept nothing less than 70 minutes of passion and edge, hit the Dubs, hit them hard, let them know you are not going to be toyed with. Annoy them, rile up the Hill, channel you inner McEntee and Hayes

Not for the faint hearted, Dublin and Meath

As My boy Moloko once wrote....BRING IT BACK!

(PS - Up the Dubs!)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8085 - 20/06/2019 13:38:35    2197957

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Replying To royaldunne:  "You ventured onto Meath homepage, I don't go near mayos. Now maybe that says something more about me than you. Should we play mayo this year. I'll be on your homepage, and by Jesus you will wish I wasn't
Hon the royal"
"Now maybe that says something more about me than you." What does that even mean? You've literally addressed nothing that was put to you. Not going onto Mayo's page or any other counties page unless you are playing them is not some kind of virtue. If you have no interest in games not involving Meath or the perspective of fans around the country, that is fair enough. As I say, I think that is a really sad position to take but you are fully entitled to take it. But to imply that someone is in some way not fully committed to their county's cause or that you are somehow more of a proper fan of your county because you have zero interest in discussing games not involving your county or reading the views of other fans is a truly bizarre position to take.

Even your last sentence, the clear implication is that you will be a nightmare to listen to on the Mayo pages if Meath play Mayo, your only intent being to upset Mayo fans. What sort of an attitude is that? You call yourself a GAA man but to me you are the very antithesis of GAA values.

Genuine question, do you even watch other intercounty games not involving Meath?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 406 - 20/06/2019 13:44:48    2197959

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well from local sports journos In county is that Andy has the players as wound up as they have ever seen. One said they would walk through the walls rather than out the door of dressing room, more than that we cannot ask. There is really no pressure on team, winning division 2 league, and gaining promotion was goal one, goal two was to reach Leinster final, goal 3 was to reach super 8s , regardless of what happens we have two chances to have a tremendous successful year. "Sure we in it we might as well go and try and win it " Andy McEntee."
Not having a pop.

But i genuinely wouldn't want to be going into a game all wound up and bursting at the seams. Cool, calm, collected and dead eye focus. Respect but no fear.

Playing Dublin and beating Dublin will be a game of chess, rather then a game of hungry hippos.

What will Meath do at the parade stick or twist when it gets to the HIll?

I always get a bit of craic out of seeing how teams handle it and what they do.

Or even if we stick or twist ourselves.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2668 - 20/06/2019 13:48:33    2197962

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Agreed. Mcentee is a highly intelligent manager and will play to his team strength. That's what won Meath division two."
I see basic, objective facts aren't safe from the royaldunne treatment. Meath didn't win Division Two!

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 406 - 20/06/2019 13:52:12    2197963

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UP DA ROYAL!!!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8215 - 20/06/2019 13:55:43    2197965

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Replying To the_walls:  ""Now maybe that says something more about me than you." What does that even mean? You've literally addressed nothing that was put to you. Not going onto Mayo's page or any other counties page unless you are playing them is not some kind of virtue. If you have no interest in games not involving Meath or the perspective of fans around the country, that is fair enough. As I say, I think that is a really sad position to take but you are fully entitled to take it. But to imply that someone is in some way not fully committed to their county's cause or that you are somehow more of a proper fan of your county because you have zero interest in discussing games not involving your county or reading the views of other fans is a truly bizarre position to take.

Even your last sentence, the clear implication is that you will be a nightmare to listen to on the Mayo pages if Meath play Mayo, your only intent being to upset Mayo fans. What sort of an attitude is that? You call yourself a GAA man but to me you are the very antithesis of GAA values.

Genuine question, do you even watch other intercounty games not involving Meath?"
I have watched all games not involving Meath. I have seen mayo get beat more times than I care to remember. And you still have mchale whining and whinging about when mayo started a row with a bunch of Meath kids that kicked the crap out of them 23 years later.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 20/06/2019 13:57:11    2197966

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Predict Meath will play well
Dubs up by 2 at half time and a decent game in prospect in the second half
Meath to still be level with 20 mins to go but Dubs to empty the bench and kick on to win by 8-10 points

Meath are a very decent side
Div 1 next year and worthy of respect. I think we will win, I would be very confident, but I expect a damn good show from Meath, and I am openly admitting I would LOVE it if the game was close with a few mins to go and we had a real game again.
Nothing stirs the soul of those of us 35+ who remember what this game is, or perhaps, was. Nothing.

if I was a meath man i would expect and accept nothing less than 70 minutes of passion and edge, hit the Dubs, hit them hard, let them know you are not going to be toyed with. Annoy them, rile up the Hill, channel you inner McEntee and Hayes

Not for the faint hearted, Dublin and Meath

As My boy Moloko once wrote....BRING IT BACK!

(PS - Up the Dubs!)"
A few of us were chatting about this last night, whether youd want a close game or a hammering.

Was 50/50, some wanted a bit of drama and others were saying you cant beat them often enough, by enough. A few lads even suggested forgetting about points and just going all out for six goals. ;) Wonder where most dubs stand.

Looking forward to it, nothing really to loose for either team, just a free hit chip, so takes the edge of it from the games of old.

We are on a looser, whatever the outcome if we hammer them we are destroying the game. If its tight, we're finished. neither one will really make me bat an eyelid.

May as well just have a few beers, relax, have the craic and have the coddle ready to go in the microwave at home.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2668 - 20/06/2019 13:59:18    2197968

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not having a pop.

But i genuinely wouldn't want to be going into a game all wound up and bursting at the seams. Cool, calm, collected and dead eye focus. Respect but no fear.

Playing Dublin and beating Dublin will be a game of chess, rather then a game of hungry hippos.

What will Meath do at the parade stick or twist when it gets to the HIll?

I always get a bit of craic out of seeing how teams handle it and what they do.

Or even if we stick or twist ourselves."
I can't answer that tbh, I'd say they will walk by it, only recall once that they didn't in all the games we have played, I expect a fair few Meath fans in the hill , so I can't see them disrespecting them, also one thing Meath players have always done is show respect to opposing fans, we might not like each other, but there is still respect, mcentee is old school and wouldn't like to see them walk away.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 20/06/2019 14:02:44    2197970

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Replying To the_walls:  "I see basic, objective facts aren't safe from the royaldunne treatment. Meath didn't win Division Two!"
Allianz Football League Roinn 2

Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Meath 7 6 0 1 111 84 12
2 Donegal 7 5 0 2 112 94 10
3 Fermanagh 7 3 2 2 69 74 8
4 Kildare 7 3 1 3 87 93 7
5 Armagh 7 2 2 3 101 97 6
6 Clare 7 2 1 4 107 113 5
7 Cork 7 2 1 4 91 112 5
8 Tipperary 7 1 1 5 99 110 3

I see basic knowledge of the league escapes you.
Now my eyesight maybe waning but if anyone else can tell me does that not say Meath topped division two therefore winning the league part. They did not win the play off. But the won the league.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 20/06/2019 14:06:21    2197972

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well from local sports journos In county is that Andy has the players as wound up as they have ever seen. One said they would walk through the walls rather than out the door of dressing room, more than that we cannot ask. There is really no pressure on team, winning division 2 league, and gaining promotion was goal one, goal two was to reach Leinster final, goal 3 was to reach super 8s , regardless of what happens we have two chances to have a tremendous successful year. "Sure we in it we might as well go and try and win it " Andy McEntee."
when did Meath win Division 2?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3568 - 20/06/2019 14:07:00    2197973

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Allianz Football League Roinn 2

Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Meath 7 6 0 1 111 84 12
2 Donegal 7 5 0 2 112 94 10
3 Fermanagh 7 3 2 2 69 74 8
4 Kildare 7 3 1 3 87 93 7
5 Armagh 7 2 2 3 101 97 6
6 Clare 7 2 1 4 107 113 5
7 Cork 7 2 1 4 91 112 5
8 Tipperary 7 1 1 5 99 110 3

I see basic knowledge of the league escapes you.
Now my eyesight maybe waning but if anyone else can tell me does that not say Meath topped division two therefore winning the league part. They did not win the play off. But the won the league."
Wow!

You topped the table, that is undoubted. The rules of the competition are that the top two qualify for the final and the winners of that game are the overall winners. This is basic, basic stuff. I suppose in your mind Mayo aren't league champions either, considering Kerry topped the table? Jesus wept.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 406 - 20/06/2019 14:13:11    2197975

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not having a pop.

But i genuinely wouldn't want to be going into a game all wound up and bursting at the seams. Cool, calm, collected and dead eye focus. Respect but no fear.

Playing Dublin and beating Dublin will be a game of chess, rather then a game of hungry hippos.

What will Meath do at the parade stick or twist when it gets to the HIll?

I always get a bit of craic out of seeing how teams handle it and what they do.

Or even if we stick or twist ourselves."
Ah yeah it's all about controlled agression and making sure it's measured to achieve something and also be sustainable for the 70 mins. Going out all guns blazing and not letting up until they are goosed won't work. To get anywhere we will need to concentrate on seeing the effort through to the end. Pick the right times to go he'll for leather and take the breathers at times too.

Dublin don't need to do anything other than what they've been doing for the past 4/5 years, why change a winning formula!

Whyalwaysmeath (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 20/06/2019 14:16:49    2197977

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I have watched all games not involving Meath. I have seen mayo get beat more times than I care to remember. And you still have mchale whining and whinging about when mayo started a row with a bunch of Meath kids that kicked the crap out of them 23 years later."
You just can't help yourself can you? No doubt if I was saying the exact same things and had another counties name beside my username, you would be coming out with similar guff about that county trying to get a reaction, despite it having literally zero to do with the issue being discussed? It's pathetic man, it really is.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 406 - 20/06/2019 14:17:30    2197978

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Replying To the_walls:  "Wow!

You topped the table, that is undoubted. The rules of the competition are that the top two qualify for the final and the winners of that game are the overall winners. This is basic, basic stuff. I suppose in your mind Mayo aren't league champions either, considering Kerry topped the table? Jesus wept."
You're having a go at royaldunne, yet you're biting every single time walls, just sayin lad ;-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8215 - 20/06/2019 14:23:30    2197981

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Replying To Htaem:  "You're having a go at royaldunne, yet you're biting every single time walls, just sayin lad ;-)"
Ara I know he is more than likely a wind up merchant but I think it's important to point out complete nonsense and hypocrisy, it's not what the GAA is about and it shouldn't be what grown ups are about. This is the same lad who has just come out and said the Meath team always show opposition fans respect. It's an awful pity he can't follow the example of the team he says he loves, WUM or not!

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 406 - 20/06/2019 14:29:27    2197983

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Replying To Whyalwaysmeath:  "Ah yeah it's all about controlled agression and making sure it's measured to achieve something and also be sustainable for the 70 mins. Going out all guns blazing and not letting up until they are goosed won't work. To get anywhere we will need to concentrate on seeing the effort through to the end. Pick the right times to go he'll for leather and take the breathers at times too.

Dublin don't need to do anything other than what they've been doing for the past 4/5 years, why change a winning formula!"
Good post a chara.

Game management is going to be key as are energy levels. Dublin are going to work you across every line.

Dublin have many gears. They will size up the system early doors. Meath may go ahead in the first 15. They will then bite and bring the score either level or go ahead running up to half time. They will then or just before depending on the context try to get you to empty the tank. They will sit in front of you defensive system for a large amount of the second and third quarter and try to make you chase shadows, moving the ball around and holding possession and get you to expend as much energy as possible. Before turning on the after burners and or emptying the bench in the last quarter.

If Meath can hold Dublin and counter each of these phases, while also having a lead they have a terrific chance. Its sounds obvious, but its proven really difficult for other teams to do.

Wides just arent an option for Meath unless they can get a few goals, but even then more then three wides is a killer, each one is a nail in the coffin, unless we have a horrific day with wides ourselves which are rare.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2668 - 20/06/2019 14:41:15    2197989

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If Meath were to pull it off and beat us on Sunday, in a ferocious, fierce, filthy war, 3 men sent off and blood and guts on the floor and on the Hill.....honestly, I really think a tiny part of me would have a smirk to myself and think........"Oh it's back" !!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8085 - 20/06/2019 14:47:33    2197991

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Anyway, back to the actual game. Most of the time when one team is a big underdog and causes an upset it's nearly always because there is an element of complacency from the favourites, even if it is subconscious. Meath's problem is that Dublin under Jim Gavin simply don't do complacency. He seems to have them as well drilled and prepared for a Leinster Quarter Final against as he would for an All Ireland Final. On top of that there is huge competition for places in the Dublin team that keeps the starting 15 sharp. With all that in mind I just can't see any way that Meath can lay a glove on Dublin.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 406 - 20/06/2019 14:47:47    2197992

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