Replying To brian:  "Third at best John, not absolutely guaranteed."

Replying To FoolsGold:  "Paul Mannion opting out for the year."

Replying To FoolsGold:  "Paul Mannion opting out for the year."

Replying To Fionn:  "That is 4 Dublin players SO FAR who wont be involved in 2021 for Dublin (Paddy, MDMA, Jack and Mannion)....
I know of another who wont be also - so that will be at least 5.....

As a kerry teppum would say....
So to me it looks like the Dublin team now think they can't win again with the amount of players walking away... which shows me that they actually know that they will not win it again. But I am not defeatist - I call it a realist...!!!!


;o)"

Replying To Fionn:  "That is 4 Dublin players SO FAR who wont be involved in 2021 for Dublin (Paddy, MDMA, Jack and Mannion)....
I know of another who wont be also - so that will be at least 5.....

As a kerry teppum would say....
So to me it looks like the Dublin team now think they can't win again with the amount of players walking away... which shows me that they actually know that they will not win it again. But I am not defeatist - I call it a realist...!!!!


;o)"

Replying To TheUsername:  "True User. And the players you mention all took time out in the midst of playing football. Dublin have been lucky with injuries but unlucky in that top players opted out at different times but it did nt affect the team. I recall Kerry s great team under Micko were missing at least one top player every year but it was injuries. Again Kerry were strong enough to overcome the losses. Kerry lost Pat Spillane for 2 and a half seasons. Lost Sheehy Bomber Jim Deenihan Tommy Doyle Ger Power Ger ó Keefe. Dublin have been so strong the overcame also. Although Dubs gave some great forwards to come in I do think Mannion is in a different class and will be a loss. Andrews and MDMA are not a loss as their time was up anyway. I still think Cian Ó Sullivan has something to offer but think Philly s time is up too.

Replying To FoolsGold:  "A class forward. Paddy Small held onto his place but Mannion a more lethal player. It was said he was later returning to the Squad after the lockdown last year , probaly ,was thinking of opting out for a while."

Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well it's very hard to be positive when the sports governing body is favouring 1 team above all others by giving that team eternal home advantage and more than 10 times more money than their nearest rivals, those advantages along with dublins population advantages makes me very pessimistic.

A lot of posters from outside of dublin remind me of that picture of those native American Indians happily standing on the beach watching Christopher Columbus and his crew sailing towards them not knowing the annihilation that was going to happen their people."

Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yes Brian if posters are judging Kerry on the championship then I'm afraid we only 4th rated team in munster cos Tipp needed extra time to beat Limerick..On the bright side though there s plenty of room for improvement."

Replying To Fionn:  "Goes to show the Dublin players are only human amateur sportsmen after all, and not robots or professional athletes...

Just normal extremely talented guys but they do have lives outside of GAA, and the commitment football is taking effects them all in different ways...

A couple more on the way also from what I am hearing but Archer, Basquel and Costello etc are at the ready to fill the void.

I predict in 2022 you will see a very new Dublin team with only a handful of current 1st teamers remaining...

Maybe then, all the doom and gloom merchants and perennial pessimists on here can learn to breathe again....!
(although I am convinced a lot of them are actually the same poster....!)"

Replying To CiarraiMick:  "True User. And the players you mention all took time out in the midst of playing football. Dublin have been lucky with injuries but unlucky in that top players opted out at different times but it did nt affect the team. I recall Kerry s great team under Micko were missing at least one top player every year but it was injuries. Again Kerry were strong enough to overcome the losses. Kerry lost Pat Spillane for 2 and a half seasons. Lost Sheehy Bomber Jim Deenihan Tommy Doyle Ger Power Ger ó Keefe. Dublin have been so strong the overcame also. Although Dubs gave some great forwards to come in I do think Mannion is in a different class and will be a loss. Andrews and MDMA are not a loss as their time was up anyway. I still think Cian Ó Sullivan has something to offer but think Philly s time is up too."]Jus chatting with a few heads there Mick. Paul is class, wonderful, well rounded player, hugely skilled, pace, decision making, shot execution, can beat a man, can get inside, can stretch a defense, very understated on work rate and defensively to.

I remember being in the stands his first year and lads calling for Macker to come in and drop the slight green horn, who could be wasteful and sloppy. Jim persevered.

We have to have the same attitude, no one bigger then the team. Not long ago we were lamenting Jack and Robbie steps up and put in a stars turn. That is how it has to be, it's an opportunity for someone else. If you stand still you are left behind, look at Rory.

Of the candidates we have P Small. I was chatting to someone on the same Dublin minor team with him, he said they were all good players, but Paddy was miles ahead of them all, supremely talented, he was saying he thinks there is bags more to come from him.

Collie Basquel, I won't be breaking any confidences in saying is the most deadly forward in Dublin club football, just absolutely shoots the lights out every championship and a lot of lads feel strongly he's been wasted at County so far, even though he's still relatively young. He will have a spring in step come training.

Archer is the outlier, shot the lights out at U 20, he's a prodigious talent, is one of the best kickers of a dead ball in the country, that's not hyperbole he's astonishing and some scorer of goal placement. He's been hugely hyped, if Iim Honest my own opinion is he's not ready. Doesn't win his own ball yet and masters a man marker yet, but he will be brought in to the panel I'd say and is another talent.

Then we have Cormac Costello who can play the right side. I don't think I've ever seen a more supremely talented player, capable of double digits in a match not getting a starting shirt.

It's perpetuall motion Mick, it never stops the lads above will duke it out that competition will drive them on and they will be better players for it.

Truth is we need to build and develop lads for the next five to ten years, we're on the road since 2011 being hugely successful, but that inevitably comes and will come with endings, the last two years we have seen a lot of change, we did well to win an All Ireland this year in my opinion, but we weren't pushed to the pin of our color either , the cards fell very nicely and I thought we were there to be shot at. We won't have things our own way, this year and I think we will see some transition in Dublin as we build. What that will lead to in results? Lads will have a different opinion.

If I'm honest Paul didn't look happy all year, I suspect his face might just not fit for Dessie or maybe each other for whatever reason, maybe he just needs a break.

Yep fair play, I never realised that Kerry team had so many injuries, a supremely talented bunch.

I think we have a couple more retirements to come Mick, I heard one anyway, heard a whisper Macker is weighing. COS I think has something to offer if the body holds up, I'd say that would be the deciding factor, Philly Iid be surprised if he didnt go again. Let's not even think about the unthinkable of you know who. It none of the lads owe Dublin anything and deserve to go when they feel it's right.

Replying To Fionn:  "Goes to show the Dublin players are only human amateur sportsmen after all, and not robots or professional athletes...

Just normal extremely talented guys but they do have lives outside of GAA, and the commitment football is taking effects them all in different ways...

A couple more on the way also from what I am hearing but Archer, Basquel and Costello etc are at the ready to fill the void.

I predict in 2022 you will see a very new Dublin team with only a handful of current 1st teamers remaining...

Maybe then, all the doom and gloom merchants and perennial pessimists on here can learn to breathe again....!
(although I am convinced a lot of them are actually the same poster....!)"

Replying To Fionn:  "Goes to show the Dublin players are only human amateur sportsmen after all, and not robots or professional athletes...

Just normal extremely talented guys but they do have lives outside of GAA, and the commitment football is taking effects them all in different ways...

A couple more on the way also from what I am hearing but Archer, Basquel and Costello etc are at the ready to fill the void.

I predict in 2022 you will see a very new Dublin team with only a handful of current 1st teamers remaining...

Maybe then, all the doom and gloom merchants and perennial pessimists on here can learn to breathe again....!
(although I am convinced a lot of them are actually the same poster....!)"

Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well it's very hard to be positive when the sports governing body is favouring 1 team above all others by giving that team eternal home advantage and more than 10 times more money than their nearest rivals, those advantages along with dublins population advantages makes me very pessimistic.

A lot of posters from outside of dublin remind me of that picture of those native American Indians happily standing on the beach watching Christopher Columbus and his crew sailing towards them not knowing the annihilation that was going to happen their people."

Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "We lost Tomás O'Sé Paul Galvin and Gooch all starters for Kerry against dublin in 2013 for 2014 and we still won the allireland, dublin losing 2 players in paddy and MDMA means nothing, Manion only part timer."

Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "We lost Tomás O'Sé Paul Galvin and Gooch all starters for Kerry against dublin in 2013 for 2014 and we still won the allireland, dublin losing 2 players in paddy and MDMA means nothing, Manion only part timer."