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Stepping Away And Retirements (Early)

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Replying To BeJasus:  "U20s this year lost to the All Ireland champions via Penalty shootout, and they blitzed everyone else..

If you were observant you'd see some have already been drafted in, and not winning an All Ireland at underage level doesn't mean you have a squad full of crap players, Yanno..

A cursory look at multiple counties around the country shows many players who blossomed well after underage level.

Shouldn't be used a a barometer but it seems to be the theme, possibly to buy managers time......."
Of course not. Winning at underage is not the number 1 goal. It's about developing lads and building them up to be able compete and play at senior level.

It's worth noting though that Oisin Mullen and Tommy Conroy were All Ireland schools winners with Ballinrobe in 2017. It's no surprise to anyone in south Mayo that these two boys have progressed onto the senior team and made an impact.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10532 - 16/01/2021 00:07:26    2327670

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Of course not. Winning at underage is not the number 1 goal. It's about developing lads and building them up to be able compete and play at senior level.

It's worth noting though that Oisin Mullen and Tommy Conroy were All Ireland schools winners with Ballinrobe in 2017. It's no surprise to anyone in south Mayo that these two boys have progressed onto the senior team and made an impact."
Yes and No. Of course counties want to develop players and that's their main goal but for the players themselves underage the winning is the big thing for them.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1608 - 16/01/2021 13:25:05    2327697

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Replying To BeJasus:  "I think so too,
The defeatism shown by some other posters is not what i associate with Kerry people on here,

GAA system wont be changing over the next 5/10 years , so mayaswell give it a go, and your long emblemised record is now under threat if All Ireland win rates continue at this pace..

The Mayos, Galways, Kerrys ,Donegals ,Tyrone's of this world can grind Dublin down from the QF onwards , possibly tiring them out before an All Ireland giving the finalist a proper chance.

The key for me is Leinster teams .....who need to at least give Dublin players a few knocks and bruises before they head into the business end of the championship..

Wimping out , and allowing Dublin stroll into the QF stage whilst maintaining peak physical conditioning does the other teams no favours whatsoever.."
You say defeatism where as I call it realism, and it doesn't matter if I know that dublin are going to win the allireland its what the teams that are playing dublin thinks is all that matters, of they think they can beat dublin well fair play to them.

But to me it looks like the Mayo and kerry teams think they can't beat the dubs with the amount of players retiring from both sides, whereas only 1 dublin player ( who wasn't in the squad) has retired which shows me that they know they will win it again.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12573 - 16/01/2021 14:22:43    2327702

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Michael Dara McAuley bows out today. A terrific player for Dublin and a frightening sight running at defenses. Wishing him a very happy retirement.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1608 - 21/01/2021 10:50:15    2328281

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MDMA gone and best of luck to him.
He never looked the most gracious players but boy was he effective and a real physical presence that frightened the life out of defenders. Great contribution over the last decade and wish him all the best in his retirement from county.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2252 - 21/01/2021 11:37:53    2328292

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "MDMA gone and best of luck to him.
He never looked the most gracious players but boy was he effective and a real physical presence that frightened the life out of defenders. Great contribution over the last decade and wish him all the best in his retirement from county."
Should read Graceful.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2252 - 21/01/2021 11:58:37    2328296

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Sad day, for those raised on song and stories.

Mick MacAuley, what can you say, in the vanguard of new warriors that led to a new Dublin who wouldn't be rolled over, wilt or give quarter ever again, not with Mick manning the midfield anyway.

A great set of hands, that created and stole in equal measure and at their most dangerous in the biggest games in the biggest years when the game was their for the taking by those at their hungriest. Legs and engine the envy of the country and was often at the appex of that Dublin drive and flood at pace that overwhelmed so many teams and broke so many lines. All the talent in the hands and he would say himself he wasn't the most talented point taker or kicker of a ball, never stopped him trying though ;). Hes also not the best at knowing where he parked his car! ;)

A player for the big day, who made serious plays in the biggest games. Driving Dublin over the line in 11, that interview with Marty after full time. Robbing important ball - who can forget getting the better of three Kerry lads, to get the hand on ball to set up Mackers fabled goal in 13, driving at defenses when all legs were going and coming home with Player of the year. If there was a melting pot there, Mick was in the thick of it.

With Bastick he shepherded Fenton's development and got a second wind once Denis retired. Willfully manning more All Ireland wins. The memorable impact he made coming on VS Mayo (trying to remember which one) when we looked on the ropes and contributing massively to the scorers with Costello that eeked out the win, we werent winning that day without him. To the renaissance of the last couple of years coming back in his 30s from what was a serious knee injury to impact and complete the 5 and 6 in a row.

A scorer of important goals and setting Dublins tempo, he kept going when other stopped, amassing 8 All Ireland winning medals, 10 Leinsters, 5 NFL and one POTY. Ive never seen happier then after the All Ireland Club Final win with Ballyboden in 16. Were i am sure we will see him for a years to come.

A big character behind the scenes and one who was always calm and relaxed on the big days, a wicked sense of humor, not to speak to much about him personally but he epitomizes the word "role model" with the civic, developmental and charitable work he does in Dublin and internationally.

He deserves every accolade as a player and person and leaves no achievement left unfilled in the game.

Thanks for so many brilliant days Mick enjoy the well deserved fruits, look forward to seeing you knocking around before games, you owe Dublin nothing.

True Dublin warrior and will be remembered as such.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3924 - 21/01/2021 13:37:35    2328313

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Believe we have a couple more coming. :(

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3924 - 21/01/2021 13:38:31    2328314

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You say defeatism where as I call it realism, and it doesn't matter if I know that dublin are going to win the allireland its what the teams that are playing dublin thinks is all that matters, of they think they can beat dublin well fair play to them.

But to me it looks like the Mayo and kerry teams think they can't beat the dubs with the amount of players retiring from both sides, whereas only 1 dublin player ( who wasn't in the squad) has retired which shows me that they know they will win it again."
Y do you follow a sports team at all if you are that negative?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1446 - 21/01/2021 13:39:05    2328315

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Replying To Viking66:  "Y do you follow a sports team at all if you are that negative?"
Well it's very hard to be positive when the sports governing body is favouring 1 team above all others by giving that team eternal home advantage and more than 10 times more money than their nearest rivals, those advantages along with dublins population advantages makes me very pessimistic.

A lot of posters from outside of dublin remind me of that picture of those native American Indians happily standing on the beach watching Christopher Columbus and his crew sailing towards them not knowing the annihilation that was going to happen their people.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12573 - 21/01/2021 14:17:46    2328322

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Replying To Viking66:  "Y do you follow a sports team at all if you are that negative?"
To be fair to Kingdomboy id probably feel like that if my county were the third best team in a province where hurling is king !

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 826 - 21/01/2021 14:37:35    2328327

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well it's very hard to be positive when the sports governing body is favouring 1 team above all others by giving that team eternal home advantage and more than 10 times more money than their nearest rivals, those advantages along with dublins population advantages makes me very pessimistic.

A lot of posters from outside of dublin remind me of that picture of those native American Indians happily standing on the beach watching Christopher Columbus and his crew sailing towards them not knowing the annihilation that was going to happen their people."
And is that why you're third best to Tipperary and Cork ?

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 826 - 21/01/2021 14:39:14    2328328

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Sad day, for those raised on song and stories.

Mick MacAuley, what can you say, in the vanguard of new warriors that led to a new Dublin who wouldn't be rolled over, wilt or give quarter ever again, not with Mick manning the midfield anyway.

A great set of hands, that created and stole in equal measure and at their most dangerous in the biggest games in the biggest years when the game was their for the taking by those at their hungriest. Legs and engine the envy of the country and was often at the appex of that Dublin drive and flood at pace that overwhelmed so many teams and broke so many lines. All the talent in the hands and he would say himself he wasn't the most talented point taker or kicker of a ball, never stopped him trying though ;). Hes also not the best at knowing where he parked his car! ;)

A player for the big day, who made serious plays in the biggest games. Driving Dublin over the line in 11, that interview with Marty after full time. Robbing important ball - who can forget getting the better of three Kerry lads, to get the hand on ball to set up Mackers fabled goal in 13, driving at defenses when all legs were going and coming home with Player of the year. If there was a melting pot there, Mick was in the thick of it.

With Bastick he shepherded Fenton's development and got a second wind once Denis retired. Willfully manning more All Ireland wins. The memorable impact he made coming on VS Mayo (trying to remember which one) when we looked on the ropes and contributing massively to the scorers with Costello that eeked out the win, we werent winning that day without him. To the renaissance of the last couple of years coming back in his 30s from what was a serious knee injury to impact and complete the 5 and 6 in a row.

A scorer of important goals and setting Dublins tempo, he kept going when other stopped, amassing 8 All Ireland winning medals, 10 Leinsters, 5 NFL and one POTY. Ive never seen happier then after the All Ireland Club Final win with Ballyboden in 16. Were i am sure we will see him for a years to come.

A big character behind the scenes and one who was always calm and relaxed on the big days, a wicked sense of humor, not to speak to much about him personally but he epitomizes the word "role model" with the civic, developmental and charitable work he does in Dublin and internationally.

He deserves every accolade as a player and person and leaves no achievement left unfilled in the game.

Thanks for so many brilliant days Mick enjoy the well deserved fruits, look forward to seeing you knocking around before games, you owe Dublin nothing.

True Dublin warrior and will be remembered as such."
And so say all of us ,great post.

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 826 - 21/01/2021 14:41:52    2328330

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well it's very hard to be positive when the sports governing body is favouring 1 team above all others by giving that team eternal home advantage and more than 10 times more money than their nearest rivals, those advantages along with dublins population advantages makes me very pessimistic.

A lot of posters from outside of dublin remind me of that picture of those native American Indians happily standing on the beach watching Christopher Columbus and his crew sailing towards them not knowing the annihilation that was going to happen their people."
Ah you poor little Lamb :-)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2421 - 21/01/2021 15:07:01    2328336

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Sad day, for those raised on song and stories.

Mick MacAuley, what can you say, in the vanguard of new warriors that led to a new Dublin who wouldn't be rolled over, wilt or give quarter ever again, not with Mick manning the midfield anyway.

A great set of hands, that created and stole in equal measure and at their most dangerous in the biggest games in the biggest years when the game was their for the taking by those at their hungriest. Legs and engine the envy of the country and was often at the appex of that Dublin drive and flood at pace that overwhelmed so many teams and broke so many lines. All the talent in the hands and he would say himself he wasn't the most talented point taker or kicker of a ball, never stopped him trying though ;). Hes also not the best at knowing where he parked his car! ;)

A player for the big day, who made serious plays in the biggest games. Driving Dublin over the line in 11, that interview with Marty after full time. Robbing important ball - who can forget getting the better of three Kerry lads, to get the hand on ball to set up Mackers fabled goal in 13, driving at defenses when all legs were going and coming home with Player of the year. If there was a melting pot there, Mick was in the thick of it.

With Bastick he shepherded Fenton's development and got a second wind once Denis retired. Willfully manning more All Ireland wins. The memorable impact he made coming on VS Mayo (trying to remember which one) when we looked on the ropes and contributing massively to the scorers with Costello that eeked out the win, we werent winning that day without him. To the renaissance of the last couple of years coming back in his 30s from what was a serious knee injury to impact and complete the 5 and 6 in a row.

A scorer of important goals and setting Dublins tempo, he kept going when other stopped, amassing 8 All Ireland winning medals, 10 Leinsters, 5 NFL and one POTY. Ive never seen happier then after the All Ireland Club Final win with Ballyboden in 16. Were i am sure we will see him for a years to come.

A big character behind the scenes and one who was always calm and relaxed on the big days, a wicked sense of humor, not to speak to much about him personally but he epitomizes the word "role model" with the civic, developmental and charitable work he does in Dublin and internationally.

He deserves every accolade as a player and person and leaves no achievement left unfilled in the game.

Thanks for so many brilliant days Mick enjoy the well deserved fruits, look forward to seeing you knocking around before games, you owe Dublin nothing.

True Dublin warrior and will be remembered as such."
Great post.

I think if one play or instance summed up Mick McAuley it was the one mentioned above v Kerry in 2013.

69 mins on the clock, draw game. A kickout is landing between 3 Kerrymen. Mick followed the flight of the ball beautifully and actually began his jump with his back to the ball, his timing was perfect and he managed to break the ball. Even then he's 2nd favourite for the break seeing as he's still in flight as it's breaking but somehow still managed to dive at full length to flick it to Kev Mac. A couple of seconds of sheer willpower from McAuley and Kerry's, nearly 70 mins, effort counts for nothing. Kev Mac does what Kev Mac does.

He was brilliant off the bench in the 2 Mayo replays in 2015 and 2016. In 2015 his introduction was vital to the 2nd half comeback as Mayo couldn't handle him round the middle. Same in 2016 when he gave Dublin some serious energy round the middle and I think was involved in nearly all Dublin's scores in the last 20 mins or so.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13272 - 21/01/2021 15:17:11    2328341

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "To be fair to Kingdomboy id probably feel like that if my county were the third best team in a province where hurling is king !"
You see when a team has to play most of their games away from home they can get caught out on a given day like we did, it feels strange having to explain that but there you go.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12573 - 21/01/2021 16:44:45    2328354

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Replying To Viking66:  "Y do you follow a sports team at all if you are that negative?"
Cos he can moan ad nauseum about every perceived advantage that Dublin have despite many people from outside Dublin saying whilst some of what he's saying has validity, not all of it does. Then he gets all huffy when people don' agree with him, answer him or disprove what he's saying and sinks to the lowest common denominator of the gutter to try and meaninglessly point score.

I mean if something caused me this much displeasure I think I'd move along and say it's time to concentrate on other passions, cos this one is going to cause him to have a coronary at the rate he's going ;)

Just my opinion of course....

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1081 - 21/01/2021 16:56:03    2328355

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Best wishes to Paddy Andrews and MDMA, they owe the Dubs nothing at all. Some operators the pair of them and still made an impact in the twilights of their intercounty career.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1081 - 21/01/2021 16:59:14    2328356

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "To be fair to Kingdomboy id probably feel like that if my county were the third best team in a province where hurling is king !"
Third at best John, not absolutely guaranteed.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1081 - 21/01/2021 17:13:45    2328357

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Paul Mannion opting out for the year.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2328 - 21/01/2021 18:19:12    2328368

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