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All Ireland Football Final 2020 - Dublin V Mayo

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "If we have LOADS of money how come we have 3 footballers gone to Oz?"
Could you have paid for flights for them to fly farther than that?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/12/2020 15:20:31    2325417

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Next year how about we present Dublin with the Sam Maguire at the start of the championship. They can have the presentation in croke park in front of the ecstatic fans on hill16, Cluxton can inspire us all with another speech thanking all their sponsors... the Dublin fans can then go off and celebrate and say how amazing their team is.

Then we can have another championship with the other 33 counties, a fair one. The Dubs get what they want - a meaningless trophy, while the rest of us get a fair and exciting championship. Everyone's a winner."
Poor Meath, they don't have a population or money......

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/12/2020 15:21:46    2325418

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Next year how about we present Dublin with the Sam Maguire at the start of the championship. They can have the presentation in croke park in front of the ecstatic fans on hill16, Cluxton can inspire us all with another speech thanking all their sponsors... the Dublin fans can then go off and celebrate and say how amazing their team is.

Then we can have another championship with the other 33 counties, a fair one. The Dubs get what they want - a meaningless trophy, while the rest of us get a fair and exciting championship. Everyone's a winner."
You can't deny them the 16 Leinsters in a row - there would be a revolution!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1791 - 22/12/2020 15:23:22    2325419

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Replying To supersub15:  " "The Magnificent 7"
There's a good chance that an All Ireland version of the Magnificent 7 will be staged in Croke Park next September 2021. - - - The Crew responsible for 6 in a row is - - -
The Crew.


Dessie Farrell aka Yul Brynner
Jim Gavin aka Eli Wallach
Paul Clarke aka Steve McQueen
Pat Gilroy aka Horst Buchholz
Mick Galvin aka Charles Bronson
Shane O' Hanlon aka Robert Vaughn
Brian O' Regan aka James Coburn

The All Star Cast.

Dublin - S Cluxton; M Fitzsimons, D Byrne, J Cooper; E Murchan, J Small (0-1), R McDaid; B Fenton (0-1), J McCarthy; N Scully (0-1), C Kilkenny (0-3), S Bugler (0-1); P Small, C O'Callaghan (1-1), D Rock (1-4, 0-4f). Subs: B Howard (0-1) for S Bugler, P Mannion (0-1f) for P Small, C Basquel for J Cooper, C Costello for N Scully.



Produced and directed by Dessie Farrell. - Team Manager. Dessie Farrell.
Pitch & lighting courtesy of Croke Park grounds crew.
Any similarity between Dublin and any other county with the exception of Mayo is purely coincidental.
NB. This post is not meant to be offensive in any way, please accept it as a light hearted post-match congratulatory
comment. - Mayo's time will come."
The Magnificent 7 is brought to you in association with the Gaelic Athletic Association's true blue cheque book...

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 902 - 22/12/2020 15:24:04    2325420

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Next year how about we present Dublin with the Sam Maguire at the start of the championship. They can have the presentation in croke park in front of the ecstatic fans on hill16, Cluxton can inspire us all with another speech thanking all their sponsors... the Dublin fans can then go off and celebrate and say how amazing their team is.

Then we can have another championship with the other 33 counties, a fair one. The Dubs get what they want - a meaningless trophy, while the rest of us get a fair and exciting championship. Everyone's a winner."
I would love to see how Dublin would get on in a knockout game in a packed out Killarney or Castlebar against the home opposition. The rules on venues were changed fairly rapidly when Kerry beat them in Thurles.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 22/12/2020 15:25:32    2325421

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Replying To baire:  "You can't deny them the 16 Leinsters in a row - there would be a revolution!"
We can give them the Delaney Cup too, just before the Sam Maguire. Can you imagine the excitement on the Hill!!! Roy Curtis could write a poem about it and read it for them. Des Cahill could tell them what an achievement it all is. If we play along, they might still believe it (as if there is any doubt they wouldn't!) and we can quietly then get on with things...

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 22/12/2020 15:29:07    2325423

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Replying To JayP:  "Poor Meath, they don't have a population or money......

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm"
Meath and Kildare have willingly enabled this disparity of fairness and funding to go on. Their county grounds are small and not fit for purpose for populations of their size, because they know they'll use Croke Park all the time.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 22/12/2020 15:36:46    2325427

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "I would love to see how Dublin would get on in a knockout game in a packed out Killarney or Castlebar against the home opposition. The rules on venues were changed fairly rapidly when Kerry beat them in Thurles."
Bring it on. If Mayo can't beat Dublin in an empty Croke Park and Kerry can't beat a hurling county in Cork then the Dubs wouldn't fear either away.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/12/2020 15:49:42    2325430

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Replying To JayP:  "Could you have paid for flights for them to fly farther than that?"
Ahh sure flying them
Out to get them ready for the County team just like didn't Tommy and Tadgh. Good professional outfit that Kerry team.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 22/12/2020 16:26:56    2325439

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Replying To JayP:  "You do know that Dublin players are humans. They bleed, they cry, they laugh. They go out and train. They lift weights. Kick balls.....

The same as other humans from other counties. They just seem to be better than other counties.

Paddy Christie coached all of Dublin's Ballymun panelists since 2011. He coached them all underage. He is not a paid coach. So good coaching by a volunteer has helped Dublin there.

All of the other clubs have volunteers coaching their teams.

This coaching argument is absolute nonsense. None of the Dublin clubs have paid coaches doing drills and pinging balls. Its all parents and usually players that have finished their playing days coaching underage teams.

This idea that Kilmacud have 4 paid S&C coaches coaching the u11's Rocky 4 style.

Dublin do push coaching in primary schools and resource the nursery's in clubs etc.

But paid coaches aren't doing SAQ drills with the u13's in clubs.

Imagine looking up to your heroes, practicing and getting rewarded for it. Imagine your parents coaching your underage team, and most like culchies that moved here for work. Imagine them making your age group better by coaching them for free.

Thats whats bugging people. Dublin are just talented. Get over it!

Insulting to the volunteers that coach these kids in their free time. Very sad to see.

Dublin will lose. You can all rejoice then."
I live in Dublin and my club in Dublin has a full time paid coach as has two clubs nearby. I can't say about all clubs but to my knowledge most if not all have paid coaches. The gaa had admitted they gave Dublin more money than all the other counties. The figures don't lie. The sad thing is that this great Dublin teams legacy is being tarnished because of it. To succeed at top level one needs money.Dublin have it in spades anyway but the fact the gaa treated them differently maddens people. All the top teams have money and yes they need it to succeed.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 22/12/2020 17:06:55    2325445

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Replying To JayP:  "Lets address a few issues here....

On the "gall" comment.....I respect every volunteer. I gave the example of Paddy Christie with Ballymun, brought two underage teams through the club from u10's to minor. 6 of the current Dublin team played under him coaching. He didn't get paid to do that. He is one of the thousands of volunteers have mentored/continue to mentor teams in Dublin. I never said volunteers weren't doing a good job anywhere else. I just said its through their hard work they've produced good players. Same as Kerry in the noughties etc etc. But these things are cyclic.

Many of the underage teams are coached by people that moved to Dublin for work etc. They settled here, and are playing a huge role in the development of underage players for their adopted clubs. They county reaps the rewards for this good coaching.

Development Grants are spent on developing things. Game Promotion Grants are spent on promoting things. Yes its true the GAA have pumped money into these things. But they are not a guarantee of success. Games promotion doesn't necessarily equal success on the pitch. As Dublin has expanded its population outwards in the county the GAA have had to spend money promoting the games in these new population centres. I don't know what people expect the GAA to do. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Actually, I would argue with anybody that unless money is spent promoting sport (any sport) and community projects by every sporting organisation and community group, we could see ghettoization in Dublin. So I would urge the GAA to spend more and develop more infrastructure in West Dublin and North County Dublin to promote the games in areas where the GAA is not a strong presence as it could be.

The trends in the GAA reflect whats going on in society. Why are so many people in Dublin? The GAA will have to react to the trends going on in society and plan accordingly.

On, Dublin fans go quiet on the funding. I never have. I argue with all the disciples of Ewan MacKenna. But I also work from 7 to 5, so I'm not available to answer instantly!!!

As you probably are aware of by now, I wouldn't be a fan of Dublin giving up any funding. Its needed for the above reasons and more. Should other counties get funded better....yeah definitely.

The top county teams are funded well enough to compete with each other. Dublin just have better players at the moment. If Dublin had lost 3 All Ireland finals this wouldn't even be an issue. Look at Kerrys 8 All Irelands in 11 years. Check out their average winning margin! It was higher than Dublins current average winning margin since 2011.

Relax, we'll get beaten lads. You'll all be happy again. But the incessant whining.....PLEASE STOP IT."
Well written post Jay. I agree and disagree. I think the gaa are wrong by treating Dublin special as it makes other counties turn against them. All counties should be treated equal but that's not the case. The gaa know the that successful dubs means more money for the gaa due to massive fan base/population. The gaa were wrong and unfair. Now is the money a factor in winning? Yes and No!. They certainly would nt be winning without money but Kerry Mayo Cork etc have loads of access to money too. So it does nt seperate them from the top teams but yes money gives Dublin Kerry Mayo Cork a better platform to succeed. You are probably correct in that people might not be whinging as much if Dubs were nt winning but that's human nature. When a team or individual are continually successful people ask questions and sometimes they don't like the answers. My own opinion is this is a fantastic Dublin team and are deserving champions and the money thing is nt the reason why. The gaa though have given Dublin special treatment which is wrong. Even with home way venue they treated Laois abymissaly a few years ago to duit Dublin. Now I will admit this is not Dublin's fault or the players but it's the Gaa s fault. Dublin are being blamed and that's wrong too. This Dublin team are a fab team of champions and no one should take that away from them.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 22/12/2020 17:23:09    2325453

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Replying To avonali:  "Tonguey dear, get to stuffing that turkey. All this anti-Dub bile will give you indigestion and spoil your Christmas."
Turkey or boxty?

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 22/12/2020 17:26:05    2325455

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Replying To tonguey:  "Oh you are rude. No need to be so demeaning to women. It is uncalled for"
A few days ago by one of your posts you kinda suggested you were male

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 22/12/2020 17:29:11    2325456

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Replying To Joxer:  "Bring it on. If Mayo can't beat Dublin in an empty Croke Park and Kerry can't beat a hurling county in Cork then the Dubs wouldn't fear either away."
Cork are a dual County Joxer and gave more football titles than Mayo. Actually the last all ireland Cork won was in football. They are are the only county to do the double in one year.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 22/12/2020 17:58:06    2325464

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Well written post Jay. I agree and disagree. I think the gaa are wrong by treating Dublin special as it makes other counties turn against them. All counties should be treated equal but that's not the case. The gaa know the that successful dubs means more money for the gaa due to massive fan base/population. The gaa were wrong and unfair. Now is the money a factor in winning? Yes and No!. They certainly would nt be winning without money but Kerry Mayo Cork etc have loads of access to money too. So it does nt seperate them from the top teams but yes money gives Dublin Kerry Mayo Cork a better platform to succeed. You are probably correct in that people might not be whinging as much if Dubs were nt winning but that's human nature. When a team or individual are continually successful people ask questions and sometimes they don't like the answers. My own opinion is this is a fantastic Dublin team and are deserving champions and the money thing is nt the reason why. The gaa though have given Dublin special treatment which is wrong. Even with home way venue they treated Laois abymissaly a few years ago to duit Dublin. Now I will admit this is not Dublin's fault or the players but it's the Gaa s fault. Dublin are being blamed and that's wrong too. This Dublin team are a fab team of champions and no one should take that away from them."
Mick this dublin team has a voice the same as every other team and theyre not afraid to speak out at anyone who questions their advantages so are you telling us that they can't speak up for themselves when it comes to gaa? Have the gaa got dublin over some kind of barrel? And If so should this not be addressed?

There has been dubs on here saying the gaa won't allow them to build their own stadium is this true? And if so how can the gaa tell them what they can and can't do on their own land that they purchased themselves?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/12/2020 18:11:26    2325472

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I live in Dublin and my club in Dublin has a full time paid coach as has two clubs nearby. I can't say about all clubs but to my knowledge most if not all have paid coaches. The gaa had admitted they gave Dublin more money than all the other counties. The figures don't lie. The sad thing is that this great Dublin teams legacy is being tarnished because of it. To succeed at top level one needs money.Dublin have it in spades anyway but the fact the gaa treated them differently maddens people. All the top teams have money and yes they need it to succeed."
Ahh Jaysiss Mick you're definitely on the Southside so.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 22/12/2020 18:42:20    2325482

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Replying To avonali:  "Ahh Jaysiss Mick you're definitely on the Southside so."
Northside Avon.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 22/12/2020 18:51:14    2325486

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Mick this dublin team has a voice the same as every other team and theyre not afraid to speak out at anyone who questions their advantages so are you telling us that they can't speak up for themselves when it comes to gaa? Have the gaa got dublin over some kind of barrel? And If so should this not be addressed?

There has been dubs on here saying the gaa won't allow them to build their own stadium is this true? And if so how can the gaa tell them what they can and can't do on their own land that they purchased themselves?"
I don't know about the gaa stadium so I can't answer that but I know alot of my Dublin pals up here agree that the Croke Park thing is wrong and in fairness most Dublin posters here agree too. The national sports arena have some lovely gaa pitches and the Dubs have played on them but they D have to build big stands to accommodate Dublin's fans. Land up here also very expensive

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 22/12/2020 19:01:03    2325489

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "A few days ago by one of your posts you kinda suggested you were male"
How so? Enlighten me as you seem to know everything about everything on here! Must be great to be a walking google

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 22/12/2020 19:28:14    2325495

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Turkey or boxty?"
He said turkey. Did that go over your head? If I could draw one for you I would

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 22/12/2020 19:29:10    2325497

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