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Replying To FrDougalMaguire: "poor performance from an average team. Men v boys in my opinion. Gunner was favourite to win a ball in first half and stood back to let Donegal man win the ball and score. Watch the reply again. I think it was their 3rd score. Clarke deserved to go and mc Veety should have seen red also. There were a few nice scores but don't feel to optimistic after leaving breffni on Sat night. Tyrone will give us a master class this weekend. Div 2 next year and I don't seen an Ulster title for at least another 10 years. We're a very average Div 2 team." I remember the incident you're talking about. I was a good bit away but looked as though gunner thought a cavan man (can't remember who) was going to claim it, and was caught on his heels as a result. I'd be interested how many agree that Clarke deserved red. . .what offence will Lane put in the report? It was a trip (albeit high and at pace) and was a black card IMO. I think the melee that followed contributed which isn't fair on Clarke. Also, I haven't seen it again but I'm nearly sure the Donegal man threw the ball when he realised he was going to be challenged, knowing it was too late for Clarke to pull out. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5333 - 06/03/2017 11:22:49 1964431 Link
Its a pity Clarke did not get a black card instead of red, he wasn't playing well or hasn't for Mattie yet. By being reduced to 14 men it gave Mattie an excuse for being beaten, but we looked like we were heading that way even before the sending off, indeed that fact, plus the fact that he was having another poor day was probably the source of Clarkes frustration. Making him captain was a mistake IMO, but Mattie wasn't to know that, which is why he needs help from a number of strong local selectors. GMac did score a lovely point, a thing of beauty, evidence that he can do it when he decides to do so. Unfortunately the game was over when he did this, exactly what happened last year in the replay against Tyrone, out of the game for an hour and then score a few lovely points when we were 20 points down and Tyrone were already gone home. Mattie has many challenges to face in the next 4 months but i believe his greatest challenge will be to get consistent contributions from these two "big" men. Banty (a man with much intercounty experience) will bring Wexford up this year i imagine, i really hope in the next few years that we do not pass each other by as we move down and he moves up!!! scotshouseAbu (Monaghan) - Posts: 3 - 06/03/2017 12:05:53 1964474 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "I remember the incident you're talking about. I was a good bit away but looked as though gunner thought a cavan man (can't remember who) was going to claim it, and was caught on his heels as a result. I'd be interested how many agree that Clarke deserved red. . .what offence will Lane put in the report? It was a trip (albeit high and at pace) and was a black card IMO. I think the melee that followed contributed which isn't fair on Clarke. Also, I haven't seen it again but I'm nearly sure the Donegal man threw the ball when he realised he was going to be challenged, knowing it was too late for Clarke to pull out." I heard a lot of comments since Sat night that "we're better than that". This is rubbish. We are exactly where we belong now and where our performances deserve us to be. We are not fit, not physical enough and I don't mean dirty, not mentally right for these matches and seemingly we don't know what we are supposed to do on the field. Like lost sheep. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 06/03/2017 12:08:31 1964476 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "I remember the incident you're talking about. I was a good bit away but looked as though gunner thought a cavan man (can't remember who) was going to claim it, and was caught on his heels as a result. I'd be interested how many agree that Clarke deserved red. . .what offence will Lane put in the report? It was a trip (albeit high and at pace) and was a black card IMO. I think the melee that followed contributed which isn't fair on Clarke. Also, I haven't seen it again but I'm nearly sure the Donegal man threw the ball when he realised he was going to be challenged, knowing it was too late for Clarke to pull out." I remember the incident you're talking about. I was a good bit away but looked as though gunner thought a cavan man (can't remember who) was going to claim it, and was caught on his heels as a result. I'd be interested how many agree that Clarke deserved red. . .what offence will Lane put in the report? It was a trip (albeit high and at pace) and was a black card IMO. I think the melee that followed contributed which isn't fair on Clarke. Also, I haven't seen it again but I'm nearly sure the Donegal man threw the ball when he realised he was going to be challenged, knowing it was too late for Clarke to pull out. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2347 - 06/03/2017 11:22:49 1964431 I was 15 feet from it and sadly the referee had only one call. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/03/2017 12:47:48 1964506 Link
Saturday night was very disappointing. We got off to a bad start and never recovered. It seemed to me from where I was standing that we were all over the place positionally and I would also have worries about our fitness. Maybe Donegal are further on in their conditioning but it looked like we were sluggish. That can well be down to the conditions. Even the most optimistic of Cavan fans would struggle to think that we can survive now. We need to win our home game against Kerry and hope for a win against Roscommon. Even then I am not sure 5 points will be sufficient. I have worries over our system and it is hard for players to have a go when they are looking at the line wondering if they will be hauled off. We played the last 7 minutes with 13 men as we had used our subs. I am all for making changes when something is wrong but I have never seen anything like the speed that McGleenan makes them. I will make the trip to Omagh next weekend as I feel that this team need support. They have no desire to go down but I think that we are just a little to naive for division 1. It will be hard to get back up but I wouldn't be devestated with division 2 status and building under new management. McGleenan is the choice and he deserves a couple of years to make his mark. I think he will but he will need to get more out of some of our so called big players. Division one does not allow for passengers. Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 357 - 06/03/2017 12:58:52 1964517 Link
As much as i enjoyed Matties postivity at the start I think its becoming a bit much. All this talk about learning is a bit frustrating to be honest. We have been in transition since 2012 its time we stood up became men and do the business. blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 06/03/2017 13:05:53 1964526 Link
cavan people just have to face the facts we havnt got the players end off story we where run ragged the other night....a good few of the cavan players look over weight and not fit to run....its not all matties fault hes not playing on the feild im sure he does tell them have a pop and go for a score like they did in the 2nd half and scored a good few scores they just havnt the guts to take it on themselves and shoot....there wont be no ulster back in brefni anytime soon i wudnt think cavan14 (Cavan) - Posts: 32 - 06/03/2017 13:16:28 1964540 Link
Replying To seanorinn: "I remember the incident you're talking about. I was a good bit away but looked as though gunner thought a cavan man (can't remember who) was going to claim it, and was caught on his heels as a result. I'd be interested how many agree that Clarke deserved red. . .what offence will Lane put in the report? It was a trip (albeit high and at pace) and was a black card IMO. I think the melee that followed contributed which isn't fair on Clarke. Also, I haven't seen it again but I'm nearly sure the Donegal man threw the ball when he realised he was going to be challenged, knowing it was too late for Clarke to pull out. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2347 - 06/03/2017 11:22:49 1964431 I was 15 feet from it and sadly the referee had only one call." Fair enough Sean you were a hell of a lot closer than I was, I was pretty much directly across from the incident on the terrace side. But what rule did Clarke break? Was it an attempted strike with force? That's the one most refs put down for an aggressive trip which I still think it was. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5333 - 06/03/2017 13:18:15 1964541 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Fair enough Sean you were a hell of a lot closer than I was, I was pretty much directly across from the incident on the terrace side. But what rule did Clarke break? Was it an attempted strike with force? That's the one most refs put down for an aggressive trip which I still think it was." Fair enough Sean you were a hell of a lot closer than I was, I was pretty much directly across from the incident on the terrace side. But what rule did Clarke break? Was it an attempted strike with force? That's the one most refs put down for an aggressive trip which I still think it was. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2348 - 06/03/2017 13:18:15 19 No trip ? How the referee reports the incident it will be interesting to see if the intentions were deliberate or accidental or pure frustration I suppose Killian can only answer this question ? we were lucky at least one other Cavan lad could have walked if not two. Anyway lets think positive there are 8 more points to play for thats the long and short of it. Okay we have four more games a possible 8 points yes 8 points lets decide to think positive get behind the management and team and hope that we can pick up 5 points it's possible with the right attitude that we can turn this season around starting next Sunday. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/03/2017 13:38:16 1964566 Link
Didn't post my opinion on Sat eve previously as was very disappointed leaving breffni. On reflection the performance was probably the poorest from this cavan team since Roscommon bet us in the qualifiers in 2015. We looked lethargic, leaderless & clueless. I would of assumed that with our break last weekend & Donegal having a tough game against the dubs that we would have been fresh & eager early on. However we have to support our team & management now & not just when we are winning. A few adjustments in my opinion can make us competitive again & while it is now unlikely that we will stay in div 1 will facilitate the teams development for the championship. A) put G McKiernan midfield & leave him there B) stop messing around with Killian Clarke in midfield. It has been proven in every game so far that he cannot play there & we are losing the influence of him in our half back line C) play Rory dunne full back. Yes he has been caught out in a few occasions but we need stability & consistency in team selections D) play P Faulkner centre half back our best player to date & leave him there E) give N McKiernan a decent chance at full forward. He is tall, strong & more aggressive than Argue for that position F) stop making impulsive early substitutions just for the sake of it & playing players totally out of position. It's bad for players confidence & looks clueless Overall it's only early march & while disappointing to date management & players have time to turn this around bond (Longford) - Posts: 174 - 06/03/2017 17:49:34 1964726 Link
Sorry Sean, can you please clarify as like I said you were a lot closer to the incident than I was. How would you describe the foul? Yes, Dara McVitty should've been sent off. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5333 - 06/03/2017 18:02:46 1964732 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "Sorry Sean, can you please clarify as like I said you were a lot closer to the incident than I was. How would you describe the foul? Yes, Dara McVitty should've been sent off." Sorry Sean, can you please clarify as like I said you were a lot closer to the incident than I was. How would you describe the foul? Yes, Dara McVitty should've been sent off. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2351 - 06/03/2017 18:02:46 1964732 In fairness I will not elaborate on this incident or any of the others but I expect what ever punishment is dished out there will be no point in appealing it thats all I can say. I hope you understand. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/03/2017 18:55:11 1964755 Link
Replying To bond: "Didn't post my opinion on Sat eve previously as was very disappointed leaving breffni. On reflection the performance was probably the poorest from this cavan team since Roscommon bet us in the qualifiers in 2015. We looked lethargic, leaderless & clueless. I would of assumed that with our break last weekend & Donegal having a tough game against the dubs that we would have been fresh & eager early on. However we have to support our team & management now & not just when we are winning. A few adjustments in my opinion can make us competitive again & while it is now unlikely that we will stay in div 1 will facilitate the teams development for the championship. A) put G McKiernan midfield & leave him there B) stop messing around with Killian Clarke in midfield. It has been proven in every game so far that he cannot play there & we are losing the influence of him in our half back line C) play Rory dunne full back. Yes he has been caught out in a few occasions but we need stability & consistency in team selections D) play P Faulkner centre half back our best player to date & leave him there E) give N McKiernan a decent chance at full forward. He is tall, strong & more aggressive than Argue for that position F) stop making impulsive early substitutions just for the sake of it & playing players totally out of position. It's bad for players confidence & looks clueless Overall it's only early march & while disappointing to date management & players have time to turn this around" The full back line probably only line that's had few issues probably because it's chopped and changed less. doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 06/03/2017 18:56:33 1964756 Link
Replying To bond: "Didn't post my opinion on Sat eve previously as was very disappointed leaving breffni. On reflection the performance was probably the poorest from this cavan team since Roscommon bet us in the qualifiers in 2015. We looked lethargic, leaderless & clueless. I would of assumed that with our break last weekend & Donegal having a tough game against the dubs that we would have been fresh & eager early on. However we have to support our team & management now & not just when we are winning. A few adjustments in my opinion can make us competitive again & while it is now unlikely that we will stay in div 1 will facilitate the teams development for the championship. A) put G McKiernan midfield & leave him there B) stop messing around with Killian Clarke in midfield. It has been proven in every game so far that he cannot play there & we are losing the influence of him in our half back line C) play Rory dunne full back. Yes he has been caught out in a few occasions but we need stability & consistency in team selections D) play P Faulkner centre half back our best player to date & leave him there E) give N McKiernan a decent chance at full forward. He is tall, strong & more aggressive than Argue for that position F) stop making impulsive early substitutions just for the sake of it & playing players totally out of position. It's bad for players confidence & looks clueless Overall it's only early march & while disappointing to date management & players have time to turn this around" Very good post bond and I fully agree on everything you said. I would have Rory back in at 3 . wasn't thinking about Falkner at 6 but could be the spot for him super player. Definitely bring k Clarke back half back again midfield the ruinination of him. Madden at 11 what do you think? And n Mckiernan at 14. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 06/03/2017 19:23:41 1964770 Link
Replying To blueman1903: "Very good post bond and I fully agree on everything you said. I would have Rory back in at 3 . wasn't thinking about Falkner at 6 but could be the spot for him super player. Definitely bring k Clarke back half back again midfield the ruinination of him. Madden at 11 what do you think? And n Mckiernan at 14." I don't think K Clarke will be available for the next two matches depending of the referees report. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/03/2017 20:33:57 1964803 Link
Replying To blueman1903: "Very good post bond and I fully agree on everything you said. I would have Rory back in at 3 . wasn't thinking about Falkner at 6 but could be the spot for him super player. Definitely bring k Clarke back half back again midfield the ruinination of him. Madden at 11 what do you think? And n Mckiernan at 14." Wudn't be sure about madden at 11 because I saw him few times last year when Gowna got to the qrt or semi of the championship & while he is big, strong & direct (qualities we need more of) I would like our centre forward to be more of a playmaker. Not sure who we have to play this role. Definitely not mcvitty or Martin Reilly. Would play madden corner forward bond (Longford) - Posts: 174 - 06/03/2017 20:42:46 1964807 Link
Replying To blueman1903: "Very good post bond and I fully agree on everything you said. I would have Rory back in at 3 . wasn't thinking about Falkner at 6 but could be the spot for him super player. Definitely bring k Clarke back half back again midfield the ruinination of him. Madden at 11 what do you think? And n Mckiernan at 14." The positions outlined look to make a lot of sense, but the problem is we have seen these players lined out like this before and still coming up short. GMac has never dominated the midfield for Cavan, Rory is solid but can be done for pace, killian is a born half back but doesn't play with the method of a Peter Harte or James mccarthy. Granted faulkner could be a rock at no.6, but still where are the scores coming from? Young Argue needs time and coaching at 14 however he needs scorers in around him. Mattie has been trying things but we all seem to want more if the same! MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 06/03/2017 21:12:16 1964817 Link
I can't believe people are still talking about playing Michael Argue full forward. His confidence has been ruined by continuing to play him full forward. The dogs on the street know that he has not the physical strength or anything to play full forward. He needs to go back out midfield if he's good enough and let him play a bit of football again. I've seen him play at full forward for BBoro at IFC level and be completely ineffective, for Cavan on several occasions also. I feel the burden of Captaincy may be effecting Killian Clarkes performances too. ALthough i thought the red card to be harsh the other night. I beg the question how many of our team would start for Tyrone? gowna02 (Cavan) - Posts: 99 - 07/03/2017 11:28:55 1964962 Link
Everybody is asking where the scores are going to come from???? Where are all the forwards from the 4 winning U21s teams? All the talk about the great TH but he didn't develope many forwards this past 4 and a half years did he? We been relying on Johnston , MReillyband Mackey.. when did they play U21s? It's great winning these underage titles but very little has been brought through. Unlike Donegal and Tyrone... teams we beat st underage level. Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 07/03/2017 11:39:33 1964965 Link
Replying To Awwwwnow: "Everybody is asking where the scores are going to come from???? Where are all the forwards from the 4 winning U21s teams? All the talk about the great TH but he didn't develope many forwards this past 4 and a half years did he? We been relying on Johnston , MReillyband Mackey.. when did they play U21s? It's great winning these underage titles but very little has been brought through. Unlike Donegal and Tyrone... teams we beat st underage level." Killian Clarke should play corner back it's where he has played his best football for Cavan. RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 892 - 07/03/2017 11:56:45 1964976 Link

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