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A lot of negative comments here but I dont think that we need to be too dispondent. We came up against a fantastic Dublin side who have now gone 30 games unbeaten. Now, I know we have a few optimists in the forum here, myself included, but it was always going to be a tall order. I know that we are disappointed and i actually felt an air of optimism coming into the ground and to be fair we went toe to toe with them for most of the first half. I felt that giving them and 3-4 (can't remember) point advantage going into the last 35 minutes would be too much. So they won both halves by 3-4 points. I don't want to go down the gallant losers road but I think we will see that Dublin will put 12 points + on some of the other division one teams. I felt that there were some positives out there - young Clerkin did well I thought and made some intelligent runs at their defence while holding position and waiting for support. Ciaran Brady behind him also did very well and Dublin didn't really have much joy down that side. On the other side, James McCarthy's runs caused us problems and he is just such a big man to stop. They were a much bigger team when you see live in front of you. I think someone mentioned kick out strategy being poor and while i don't want to go hounding about it, I do agree that we need to do more to secure primary possession. One thing that I noticed about Dublin is their patience. They really have a strong emphasis on keeping the ball. Because we played the blanket a couple of years ago, I noticed yesterday that when we don't play direct every time, the roars come from the stand. I suppose it is natural but keeping possession would have been much better in some circumstances rather that trying 50/50 balls. Anyway, I am optimistic heading into next weekend. It is now a massive game for us but I think it will be close. Lets hope that we can get at least a point and move on with this campaign. Cheer up everyone, we are back and a long way to go. Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 357 - 06/02/2017 07:31:38 1952525 Link
Replying To doratheexplorer: "Agree 100 percent Sean. Go and watch Shercock and see his position." Can't see what Killian Clarke's position is - got roasted against Armagh at Full-back last year, clearly not a midfielder. A big, very athletic lad who covers a lot of ground but seems very ineffective at this level. His foot passing is poor and seems to take the wrong option a lot of the time and gives away a lot of frees. opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 558 - 06/02/2017 08:40:53 1952535 Link
we were let off the hook yesterday. Dublin never got out of 2nd gear and twice they should have netted. They went through the motions and did enough to win without exerting themselves. We had no fire power up front, they controlled midfield and their movement through our backline was easy. Looking at the game yesterday, it because very obvious that we just don't have the talent. At best we are a div 2 side. We have the top three teams in Ulster to play and that will be an indicator for the provincial championship, because we are a long way off anything else. FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 06/02/2017 09:26:08 1952551 Link
i agree with a lot of peoples opinions on here and tbf everyone seems to be realistic about how that game would pan out. I dont think either teams hit even close to top gear and herein is where i pick the positives from the negatives. first of all Cavan gifted Dublin 6-7 scores from loss of primary possession, carrying the ball into tackles being needlessly overturned and through general panic like Mc Dermots free and Mc Veety's carrying into tackles. there was a lot of poor performances from some of cavans key players which i dont think we'll see again. the kickouts were poor but i think with a fit Galligan that can be rectified. i think that a lot of cavans kickout mistakes were due to still playing in Division 2 mode. Short kickouts worked well last year as there wasn't much pressure from the inside line but yesterday it was intense pressure as soon as the ball was in hand leading to a number of mistakes and turnovers. they' ll have learned an awful lot from that game yesterday, couple that with the fact Mattie knows Monaghan inside out I'd be hopeful of a good result. theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 06/02/2017 09:40:03 1952566 Link
Replying To opa01: "Can't see what Killian Clarke's position is - got roasted against Armagh at Full-back last year, clearly not a midfielder. A big, very athletic lad who covers a lot of ground but seems very ineffective at this level. His foot passing is poor and seems to take the wrong option a lot of the time and gives away a lot of frees." Agree 100% Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 06/02/2017 10:47:52 1952600 Link
Replying To Sean.66: "Nothing much to take from today's game apart from a good show from Smith...and to a lesser extent Clerkinwho tried hard... someone needs a word in McVittys ear to stop him carrying the ball into tackles he is not fit to break...he was turned over about 5 times.. We solo the ball too much instead of moveing it quickly with foot passes... We can't be too dispondent as we didn't really expect to get anything out of today's game but next week is a totally different story... A must win game" Anyway, I am optimistic heading into next weekend. It is now a massive game for us but I think it will be close. Lets hope that we can get at least a point and move on with this campaign. Cheer up everyone, we are back and a long way to go. Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:227 - 06/02/2017 07:31:38 19 ARE YOU If anything comes from this game yesterday I hope it's a positive one. Instead of training this week bring all the players and management into a room and watch this match at least four times and note how Dublin worked the ball moved it forward moved it back moved it across until they opened the door it did not look bad because they distributed the passes by foot and by hand which made it easier on the eye. If they learn from that brilliant. I hope to god they realise certain players cannot play in certain positions and also get them to be more user friendly. It's not all about one man it's about fifteen + It will be no easier next Sunday and I doubt that James McEnroe will be fit by the looks of things yesterday I hope I am wrong. Good luck next Sunday to all involved. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/02/2017 11:37:48 1952637 Link
Replying To seanorinn: "Anyway, I am optimistic heading into next weekend. It is now a massive game for us but I think it will be close. Lets hope that we can get at least a point and move on with this campaign. Cheer up everyone, we are back and a long way to go. Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:227 - 06/02/2017 07:31:38 19 ARE YOU If anything comes from this game yesterday I hope it's a positive one. Instead of training this week bring all the players and management into a room and watch this match at least four times and note how Dublin worked the ball moved it forward moved it back moved it across until they opened the door it did not look bad because they distributed the passes by foot and by hand which made it easier on the eye. If they learn from that brilliant. I hope to god they realise certain players cannot play in certain positions and also get them to be more user friendly. It's not all about one man it's about fifteen + It will be no easier next Sunday and I doubt that James McEnroe will be fit by the looks of things yesterday I hope I am wrong. Good luck next Sunday to all involved." Sean, it was great to see the old stadium so full for a Cavan league game in February, it must have filled you with pride to see such a day. In tribute to Dublin they played 10 out of the 15 who started in the All Ireland and of the 5 who did not start, one was man of the match yesterday and the other was player of the year in 2015. They were better than us and they were 7 points better than us but they are better than most teams by that kind of number. They are on a thirty match unbeaten run and if they can extend that run to 50 games, they will, if they can beat you be 10 points they will, indeed if they can beat you by 16 or more they will, Kildare supporters know this only too well. This is the beginning of the new manager's term and by the end of the League we will be an improved team. We have to take the positives out of the game and there were many. We have to build on the positives and move on. kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 06/02/2017 12:30:54 1952676 Link
Replying To kildare blue: " Replying To seanorinn: "Anyway, I am optimistic heading into next weekend. It is now a massive game for us but I think it will be close. Lets hope that we can get at least a point and move on with this campaign. Cheer up everyone, we are back and a long way to go. Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:227 - 06/02/2017 07:31:38 19 ARE YOU If anything comes from this game yesterday I hope it's a positive one. Instead of training this week bring all the players and management into a room and watch this match at least four times and note how Dublin worked the ball moved it forward moved it back moved it across until they opened the door it did not look bad because they distributed the passes by foot and by hand which made it easier on the eye. If they learn from that brilliant. I hope to god they realise certain players cannot play in certain positions and also get them to be more user friendly. It's not all about one man it's about fifteen + It will be no easier next Sunday and I doubt that James McEnroe will be fit by the looks of things yesterday I hope I am wrong. Good luck next Sunday to all involved." Sean, it was great to see the old stadium so full for a Cavan league game in February, it must have filled you with pride to see such a day. In tribute to Dublin they played 10 out of the 15 who started in the All Ireland and of the 5 who did not start, one was man of the match yesterday and the other was player of the year in 2015. They were better than us and they were 7 points better than us but they are better than most teams by that kind of number. They are on a thirty match unbeaten run and if they can extend that run to 50 games, they will, if they can beat you be 10 points they will, indeed if they can beat you by 16 or more they will, Kildare supporters know this only too well. This is the beginning of the new manager's term and by the end of the League we will be an improved team. We have to take the positives out of the game and there were many. We have to build on the positives and move on." kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts:407 - 06/02/2017 12:30:54 1952676 Yes off course it was fantastic to see a huge crowed on the first week of February and it does give you a sense of pride to see things looking so good and standing up well to the game also. It fills your heart also to listen too two groups of respectable supporters when scores were made and during play. Yes in deed it was obvious who and why Dublin are All Ireland champions aren't they a joy to watch. Yes off course something will be taken from this match by management I hope and to realise we Cavan have to up our game intensity by another 50% at least. I feel no team in Division 1 will beat the Dubs so for Cavan that will be good news. I fully understand the Boss has to learn from this and hopefully see who are up to the standard as a starting fifteen if you know what I mean. If I may from a neutrals observation, did Cavan struggle about what to do once they entered the Dublin half of the pitch. I felt they did and were not sure what to do next so I expect they will have learnt from this and move forward. Here is something that supporters may have missed but when I was on the pitch at half time the sun was glaring so hard into my eyes I had to shadow my eyes with my left hand to see any divots heading towards the electronic score board end, supporters at the town end will have struggled to see what was going on because of the sun for most of the second half. This did not effect Dublin so much as it was shining in from the left hand corner but by the time the second half started the sun was very close to off center shining directly into the Cavan lad's eyes up the pitch. This I attribute to the simple free being missed it was that intense. This might be a point worth nothing. Monaghan next week so the best of luck to all involved. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/02/2017 13:43:26 1952715 Link
I thought Mattie might have put McKiernan in full forward when he came on and kick it into him. Seanie and Smith were doing damage when they got the ball but didn't get enough of it. I just can't see where Clarke fits in. He's super fit but has minimal contribution to a 15 team game Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 06/02/2017 13:46:23 1952717 Link
Replying To seanorinn: "Anyway, I am optimistic heading into next weekend. It is now a massive game for us but I think it will be close. Lets hope that we can get at least a point and move on with this campaign. Cheer up everyone, we are back and a long way to go. Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:227 - 06/02/2017 07:31:38 19 ARE YOU If anything comes from this game yesterday I hope it's a positive one. Instead of training this week bring all the players and management into a room and watch this match at least four times and note how Dublin worked the ball moved it forward moved it back moved it across until they opened the door it did not look bad because they distributed the passes by foot and by hand which made it easier on the eye. If they learn from that brilliant. I hope to god they realise certain players cannot play in certain positions and also get them to be more user friendly. It's not all about one man it's about fifteen + It will be no easier next Sunday and I doubt that James McEnroe will be fit by the looks of things yesterday I hope I am wrong. Good luck next Sunday to all involved." YES I AM Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 357 - 06/02/2017 14:05:18 1952733 Link
I know its early days and people can talk about certain players but there was a lot of naivety in the way we played yesterday. Its harsh but at the same time this is the level we should be aiming for. For all the talk about a new system we went back to the defensive system of about 2-3 years ago and didn't even play it right. As for people talking about players taking the ball into the tackle, its the same old..Players take the ball into the tackle when there is no outlet and in truth we had no outlet or ball winners up front for most of yesterday. Our kickouts to the Dublin midfield in the first half, they cleaned us out, in fairness it was changed in the second half and it was a lot better. Its amazing to see the Dublin players take their positions for the quick kickout when the opposing forward take a shot. We take up our position when the goalkeeper places the ball.. Basic passing was poor, but more often than not it seemed panicked. We have to we able to retain possession in a 1 on 1 instead of panicking or getting pick pocketed. This is the whole point of S&C but you need a level head to go with it too. We have a good few lads that need to loose a few pounds. I know its early in the year and ground is heavy but at the same time i cant remember seeing a Dublin players that needed to loose a few (maybe O'Gara). Young Smith was a bright spark and kicked two great scores (even though he hesitated). Needs a little more self belief in himself and another half forward to do it on the other side of the field. Lastly i hope our corner back doesn't get pinged for sticking the boot into Kilkenny.... ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 616 - 06/02/2017 16:50:34 1952870 Link
Replying To doratheexplorer: "Agree 100 percent Sean. Go and watch Shercock and see his position." Just because a player plays in a position for his club doesn't mean he is suited to that position for county ,, if that was the case sure put Mc Loughton in midfield for Cavan he plays there for his club , or Galligan goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 312 - 06/02/2017 18:05:19 1952914 Link
Replying To goonie: "Just because a player plays in a position for his club doesn't mean he is suited to that position for county ,, if that was the case sure put Mc Loughton in midfield for Cavan he plays there for his club , or Galligan" ust because a player plays in a position for his club doesn't mean he is suited to that position for county ,, if that was the case sure put Mc Loughton in midfield for Cavan he plays there for his club , or Galligan goonie (Cavan) - Posts:155 - 06/02/2017 18:05:19 1952914 Post Reply Link 0 0 Well if he is good enough or they are good enough for midfield well why not. Getting players to adapt to a new position on a pitch takes time with many but I agree with you 100% if they have what Cavan need in midfield why now. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/02/2017 19:04:01 1952945 Link
Replying To seanorinn: "ust because a player plays in a position for his club doesn't mean he is suited to that position for county ,, if that was the case sure put Mc Loughton in midfield for Cavan he plays there for his club , or Galligan goonie (Cavan) - Posts:155 - 06/02/2017 18:05:19 1952914 Post Reply Link 0 0 Well if he is good enough or they are good enough for midfield well why not. Getting players to adapt to a new position on a pitch takes time with many but I agree with you 100% if they have what Cavan need in midfield why now." Replying To goonie: "Just because a player plays in a position for his club doesn't mean he is suited to that position for county ,, if that was the case sure put Mc Loughton in midfield for Cavan he plays there for his club , or Galligan" ust because a player plays in a position for his club doesn't mean he is suited to that position for county ,, if that was the case sure put Mc Loughton in midfield for Cavan he plays there for his club , or Galligan goonie (Cavan) - Posts:155 - 06/02/2017 18:05:19 1952914 Post Reply Link 0 0 Well if he is good enough or they are good enough for midfield well why not. Getting players to adapt to a new position on a pitch takes time with many but I agree with you 100% if they have what Cavan need in midfield why not. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/02/2017 19:18:02 1952950 Link
Replying To goonie: "Just because a player plays in a position for his club doesn't mean he is suited to that position for county ,, if that was the case sure put Mc Loughton in midfield for Cavan he plays there for his club , or Galligan" I agree with you goonie, some players play in totally different positions for clubs, not in a life time could you play mcloughlin midfield like club but he's a good corner back for county. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 06/02/2017 19:22:08 1952951 Link
If we want to play with so many men behind the ball we need full forwards who can win the ball. Johnston and McDermott are not those players and we need to keep at least one player on the half forward line tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 337 - 06/02/2017 19:46:47 1952966 Link
Replying To tom84: "If we want to play with so many men behind the ball we need full forwards who can win the ball. Johnston and McDermott are not those players and we need to keep at least one player on the half forward line" If we want to play with so many men behind the ball we need full forwards who can win the ball. Johnston and McDermott are not those players and we need to keep at least one player on the half forward line tom84 (Cavan) - Posts:119 - 06/02/2017 19:46:47 1952966 I hope to god that the negative football is dead and buried let's move forward and be positive. Even though we lost yesterday I don't think many if any left the park disappointed. You have to admit it was enjoyable wasn't it. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 06/02/2017 20:21:30 1952996 Link
Replying To tom84: "If we want to play with so many men behind the ball we need full forwards who can win the ball. Johnston and McDermott are not those players and we need to keep at least one player on the half forward line" Tom ,I think argue could be moulded in to an effective full forward if worked on. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 06/02/2017 20:35:25 1953004 Link
Anyway all roads lead to Blaney now on Sunday. Here's an attempt at a 15. Galligan Gunner Faulkner Fergal Reilly Ciaran Brady Moynagh Killian Clarke Thomas Corr Niall McKiernan/O Rourke Mc Veety Martin Reilly Gerry Smith McDermot Johnson Clerkin doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 06/02/2017 20:46:48 1953015 Link
Replying To doratheexplorer: "Anyway all roads lead to Blaney now on Sunday. Here's an attempt at a 15. Galligan Gunner Faulkner Fergal Reilly Ciaran Brady Moynagh Killian Clarke Thomas Corr Niall McKiernan/O Rourke Mc Veety Martin Reilly Gerry Smith McDermot Johnson Clerkin" Stephen Murray is definetely worth his place after Sunday's performance. Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 06/02/2017 21:22:13 1953034 Link

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