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Definately unfair on Galway but may force the GAA's hand to reform the championships especially at underage levels if they withdraw from Leinster - 73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 27/10/2016 13:25:44 1929504 Link
Yet John Horan has no problem having everyone else have to traverse to Dublin to play in Croke Park Galway CB should tell him where to go HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 27/10/2016 13:48:55 1929517 Link
I would not mind not having home games as long as we get a fair share of the revenue generated. What I do mind is our minors & U21s being excluded. One in all in or else all out. When is the last time a Leinster team other than Kilkenny won an underage All Ireland? Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 27/10/2016 13:56:28 1929521 Link
What is the capacity of Ballinasloe? Cully (Laois) - Posts: 375 - 27/10/2016 14:10:00 1929530 Link
Replying To Mickmick: "What would happen to the All-Ireland hurling structures if Galway and Antrim withdrew from Leinster? Would they the Connacht and Ulster winners automatically be All-Ireland semi-finalists?" Antrim are currently in the Christy Ring Cup so they're not in Leinster right now. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 27/10/2016 14:28:56 1929537 Link
Replying To Brianmac78: "Its the Leinster championship, why should it be staged outside of Leinster? If Galway aren't happy off they go. Munster could do with another team to make it an even 6 teams" If Galway and Kilkenny came into the Munster championship you could forget about the All Ireland. The Munster championship would mean more. Galway could come in permanently and then an invite issued to 1 or 2 other teams annually bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 27/10/2016 15:52:21 1929568 Link
All this boils down to being the provincial championships aren't fit for purpose in hurling. I'm broadly in favour of provincial championships in football. In hurling it's a farce now, it's possible for teams from every province and London to play the "Leinster" championship. If they went to a straight forward National championship in hurling and played the Munster championship as a standalone tournament (at the height of the summer so that is doesn't lose too much meaning) I think hurling would be in a better spot. Underage should also be played similarly. I've heard that traveling concerns are a problem at minor and u21 level. Doesn't really wash, how hard is it to travel to say 3 group games and then another 2 or 3 other rounds for the top teams, it's not like Ireland is a huge expanse. Again run the Munster championship as a standalone competition. It has enough prestige in its own right to stand on its own 2 feet. The Leinster championship will continue to die, I don't think there's a lot can be done for it without Dublin, Wexford and Offaly seriously improving. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/10/2016 16:41:32 1929582 Link
All this boils down to being the provincial championships aren't fit for purpose in hurling. I'm broadly in favour of provincial championships in football. In hurling it's a farce now, it's possible for teams from every province and London to play the "Leinster" championship. If they went to a straight forward National championship in hurling and played the Munster championship as a standalone tournament (at the height of the summer so that is doesn't lose too much meaning) I think hurling would be in a better spot. Underage should also be played similarly. I've heard that traveling concerns are a problem at minor and u21 level. Doesn't really wash, how hard is it to travel to say 3 group games and then another 2 or 3 other rounds for the top teams, it's not like Ireland is a huge expanse. Again run the Munster championship as a standalone competition. It has enough prestige in its own right to stand on its own 2 feet. The Leinster championship will continue to die, I don't think there's a lot can be done for it without Dublin, Wexford and Offaly seriously improving. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/10/2016 16:42:51 1929584 Link
There have been several posters suggesting Galway should threaten to leave Leinster or actually leave Leinster if they are no given an even level of participation - i.e. home games and underage involvement. Is this not the embodiment of cutting off your nose to spite your face? What if the Leinster council let them go? Galway would just be back to their pre 2009 status. While it might take from the Leinster championship, it certainly wouldn't be the end of it. There has also been no sign of an appetite from Munster to let Galway join them either, irrespective of whether some fans are open to the idea. I do think Galway are hard done by in their current circumstances but the nuclear option here is not realistic. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 27/10/2016 16:46:34 1929589 Link
Replying To Kurt_Angle: "There have been several posters suggesting Galway should threaten to leave Leinster or actually leave Leinster if they are no given an even level of participation - i.e. home games and underage involvement. Is this not the embodiment of cutting off your nose to spite your face? What if the Leinster council let them go? Galway would just be back to their pre 2009 status. While it might take from the Leinster championship, it certainly wouldn't be the end of it. There has also been no sign of an appetite from Munster to let Galway join them either, irrespective of whether some fans are open to the idea. I do think Galway are hard done by in their current circumstances but the nuclear option here is not realistic." yes Neuclar option is the only option open to us. Straight to semi final is certainly not what Galway want but it's the only option open to us If Croke Park will not sort this. onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 27/10/2016 17:14:27 1929599 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "If Galway and Kilkenny came into the Munster championship you could forget about the All Ireland. The Munster championship would mean more. Galway could come in permanently and then an invite issued to 1 or 2 other teams annually" And how would it be the Munster championship then? Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 27/10/2016 17:40:45 1929607 Link
Replying To Brianmac78: "And how would it be the Munster championship then?" It'd be as much the Munster championship as the Leinster championship is currently the Leinster championship. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 27/10/2016 18:01:05 1929616 Link
Replying To onlyhurling: "yes Neuclar option is the only option open to us. Straight to semi final is certainly not what Galway want but it's the only option open to us If Croke Park will not sort this." Straight to the semis at underage, maybe, but the seniors would likely enter the early rounds of the qualifiers, like they did in 2008 and before. I just don't know have Galway really that strong a bargaining chip to threaten leaving. Attendances at their games are not generally high so the Leinster council wouldn't be that put out, monetary wise (and I realise there is a cost / convenience factor for travelling Galway fans so not having a dig here). Galway have a decent record in terms of win percentage and so they make the province more competitive but have only one title in their 7 years so aren't exactly tearing it up. I'm sure the Leinster council would much rather keep Galway involved but how far would they go before cutting them loose? Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 27/10/2016 18:21:10 1929621 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It'd be as much the Munster championship as the Leinster championship is currently the Leinster championship." Exactly. Galway and yourselves were invited in because you had no provincial championship. Why are Galway moaning now about no home game? Why should the Leinster championship be played in Connaught. Weren't they told this at the start? Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 27/10/2016 18:30:23 1929625 Link
...hhhmmm, interesting how everyone is on the back of the Leinster council here, but no one has asked a very pertinent question: What is the Connaught council doing to help/promote hurling, in Galway and the other counties of the province? extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 27/10/2016 19:06:40 1929635 Link
Replying To extranjero: "...hhhmmm, interesting how everyone is on the back of the Leinster council here, but no one has asked a very pertinent question: What is the Connaught council doing to help/promote hurling, in Galway and the other counties of the province?" The promotion if hurling in Connaught is a side issue. Its not pertinent or relevant to the isdue we are discussing right now. But to answer your question id say the Connacht council arent doing much to promote hurling. The whole province has less people than County Cork. Munster council could really show up Leinster here and issue an invite to Galway. Im still astounded at the lack of leadership from Croke Park. Its the most retrograde and unfair decision in 20 years. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 27/10/2016 19:47:29 1929640 Link
Replying To extranjero: "...hhhmmm, interesting how everyone is on the back of the Leinster council here, but no one has asked a very pertinent question: What is the Connaught council doing to help/promote hurling, in Galway and the other counties of the province?" Pertinent question????? They're doing as much as the Leinster Council are doing to promote hurling in Longford/Louth/Wicklow/the vast football areas of the rest of Leinster or that the Ulster Council are doing to promote it in Cavan (the only county without a county hurling team) and the hurling wasteland of the whole of that province. Your question would only be pertinent if a magic wand could be waved to change the sporting culture within these counties and get them to play top class hurling overnight or within 5 or 10 years. If you have that magic wand or know where it can be found, do please pass it onto the Connacht Council and to hurling people on the other provincial councils as well. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1905 - 27/10/2016 20:07:06 1929644 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Pertinent question????? They're doing as much as the Leinster Council are doing to promote hurling in Longford/Louth/Wicklow/the vast football areas of the rest of Leinster or that the Ulster Council are doing to promote it in Cavan (the only county without a county hurling team) and the hurling wasteland of the whole of that province. Your question would only be pertinent if a magic wand could be waved to change the sporting culture within these counties and get them to play top class hurling overnight or within 5 or 10 years. If you have that magic wand or know where it can be found, do please pass it onto the Connacht Council and to hurling people on the other provincial councils as well." Here here bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 27/10/2016 20:33:07 1929655 Link
The promotion if hurling in Connaught is a side issue. Its not pertinent or relevant to the isdue we are discussing right now. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:436 - 27/10/2016 19:47:29 I'm sorry but it is relevant. Why does everyone seem to think it's the job of the Leinster council to help counties in other provinces? I'm all for helping hurling development everywhere in the country, but that's the job of central council. The Leinster Councils priorities are, and should be, gaelic games in the 12 counties of Leinster. And if the Leinster council thinks it's serving the best interests of its members by not allowing another county partake in any specific competition it organises, then that's the decision it must take. extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 27/10/2016 21:39:51 1929680 Link
The most blatant hypocrisy of this is we've had Leinster championship matches in Antrim and Kerry. RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 28/10/2016 08:57:01 1929745 Link