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Kilkenny were and are the only county in Leinster who were happy to have Galway in Leinster. Nickey Brennan made it clear when he pushed Galway's move into Leinster that it was a for 2 reasons: To give us more games and provide more competition in what was/is a Kilkenny dominated championship. The rest of Leinster didn't want us in then and don't want us in now. It's high time we pulled out. Then perhaps the likes of the Louth and Kildare posters above could devote their energy to challenging Kilkenny.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 863 - 30/10/2016 17:34:48    1930216

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Replying To Ailteoir:  "Kilkenny were and are the only county in Leinster who were happy to have Galway in Leinster. Nickey Brennan made it clear when he pushed Galway's move into Leinster that it was a for 2 reasons: To give us more games and provide more competition in what was/is a Kilkenny dominated championship. The rest of Leinster didn't want us in then and don't want us in now. It's high time we pulled out. Then perhaps the likes of the Louth and Kildare posters above could devote their energy to challenging Kilkenny."
What a beautiful message.
If your county is at Christy Ring level or lower, your opinions on hurling are worthless.
Brilliant stuff.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 30/10/2016 18:18:10    1930235

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Galway were in the most competitive province for hurling for ten years and they only won one match so as the saying goes if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen so that's what they did."
Which has precisely nothing to do with whether their underage teams should be allowed compete in the LHC 50 years on.
But hey keep throwing in any oul stat you have rattling around in your head.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 30/10/2016 18:20:24    1930237

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Replying To Condorman:  "Which has precisely nothing to do with whether their underage teams should be allowed compete in the LHC 50 years on.
But hey keep throwing in any oul stat you have rattling around in your head."
Stats is my middle name and anyway my better half does all the rattling for me.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 30/10/2016 18:48:16    1930247

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Replying To extranjero:  "What a beautiful message.
If your county is at Christy Ring level or lower, your opinions on hurling are worthless.
Brilliant stuff."
No better and certainly no worse a sentiment than that expressed by the Louth and Kildare posters I referred to. If the cap fits etc....

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 863 - 30/10/2016 18:57:56    1930251

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Replying To Ailteoir:  "No better and certainly no worse a sentiment than that expressed by the Louth and Kildare posters I referred to. If the cap fits etc...."
Condescending, sanctimonious, elitist, self-righteous,....
I see you've a few caps yourself.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 30/10/2016 19:36:32    1930260

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Replying To extranjero:  "Condescending, sanctimonious, elitist, self-righteous,....
I see you've a few caps yourself."
You might care to a) look back at their postings on this thread and then b) look back at your own. Of course, you'd have to take those blinkers off first. If you did, you'd realise those 4 adjectives all apply to your earlier posts on Galway in this thread.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 863 - 30/10/2016 20:44:04    1930281

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Replying To Ailteoir:  "You might care to a) look back at their postings on this thread and then b) look back at your own. Of course, you'd have to take those blinkers off first. If you did, you'd realise those 4 adjectives all apply to your earlier posts on Galway in this thread."
Nope, you're completely wrong.

First of all, I've no problem with Galway hurling
(far from it). What I do have a problem with (and apparently other Leinster folk have aswell) is Galway, and other non-leinster sides, being parachuted into our championship, to the detriment of the development and quality of hurling in Leinster county teams.

And on a side note, I am also not a big fan of people from the supposed "traditional" hurling counties talking down to people from less successful hurling counties, solely on the basis of where they're coming from and what their county team has or hasn't accomplished.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 30/10/2016 21:42:13    1930305

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Replying To extranjero:  "Nope, you're completely wrong.

First of all, I've no problem with Galway hurling
(far from it). What I do have a problem with (and apparently other Leinster folk have aswell) is Galway, and other non-leinster sides, being parachuted into our championship, to the detriment of the development and quality of hurling in Leinster county teams.

And on a side note, I am also not a big fan of people from the supposed "traditional" hurling counties talking down to people from less successful hurling counties, solely on the basis of where they're coming from and what their county team has or hasn't accomplished."
The thing is I don't believe Galway being brought into the LHC is to the detriment of the game in the other counties in the LHC.
The more strong teams I. The competition the better it is surely?

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 31/10/2016 00:53:46    1930326

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Replying To extranjero:  "Nope, you're completely wrong.

First of all, I've no problem with Galway hurling
(far from it). What I do have a problem with (and apparently other Leinster folk have aswell) is Galway, and other non-leinster sides, being parachuted into our championship, to the detriment of the development and quality of hurling in Leinster county teams.

And on a side note, I am also not a big fan of people from the supposed "traditional" hurling counties talking down to people from less successful hurling counties, solely on the basis of where they're coming from and what their county team has or hasn't accomplished."
Wow extranjero, you really are letting the mask slip there and revealing the narrowest of provincial attitudes! Do a Trump on it, why dont you , and build a wall around your precious province to keep the hurling refugees from Galway, Antrim, and Kerry out so as to preserve the purity of your Leinster championship. Condescension has many forms so I think you should look in the mirror before you start throwing mud at other posters. Thank you at least for being honest and being clear about it that we are not welcome in Leinster.I've always held the benign view that most hurling people in Leinster welcomed our presence but going on what I'm reading here it seems I was wrong all the time.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1905 - 31/10/2016 01:10:03    1930328

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The thing is I don't believe Galway being brought into the LHC is to the detriment of the game in the other counties in the LHC.
The more strong teams I. The competition the better it is surely?

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts:2735 - 31/10/2016 00:53:46 



That is one way of looking at it alright, and it has been the prevalent view, especially emanating from the media, that Galway, Antrim, etc, have made Leinster stronger and therefore (and I've seen this word mentioned here more than once aswell) "helped" the Leinster championship.

However, I feel this is a fallacy. The arrival of Galway, etc, has had the effect of making the Leinster championship more interesting to the neutral spectator, but has not seen an actual improvement in the quality of play, or hurling development, from the counties of Leinster.

In the eight years Galway have played in Leinster, they've got to 5 finals, winning one.
In those 5 campaigns, by reaching the final, they have knocked out the following teams on the way;

Offaly 3 Times
Laois 2 Times
Dublin 1 Time
Wexford 1 Time
Westmeath 1 Time

So let's look at Offaly. 3 times knocked out of the competition by Galway, and so 3 times a potential provincial final (and subsequent all-ireland quarter final) appearance lost.
Same for the others.
No provincial finals, with the potential benefits from the experience of a big game in Croke park.
Or playing for a trophy that, although most outside leinster seem unable or unwilling to understand, actually means something to those of us here.
How does this help or benefit Offaly? Or any other Leinster team? The answer folks, it doesn't.

Likewise, a little further down the ladder, and the inclusion of Antrim and Kerry has seen little to no benefit to Carlow, Westmeath, Kildare, Meath, etc, as they lose out on quarter final and preliminary round spots in their own province.


At the time when Galway and Antrim were initially parachuted in to leinster, I felt this was just a stop-gap, until a proper reform of the championship was begun, as some would acknowledge, with a break between the provincial championships and the Liam McCarthy run-off. This still hasn't happened, which is why we are stuck bickering over a setup that doesn't seem to benefit anyone, either from Galway or Leinster.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 31/10/2016 11:39:12    1930372

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Replying To extranjero:  "Nope, you're completely wrong.

First of all, I've no problem with Galway hurling
(far from it). What I do have a problem with (and apparently other Leinster folk have aswell) is Galway, and other non-leinster sides, being parachuted into our championship, to the detriment of the development and quality of hurling in Leinster county teams.

And on a side note, I am also not a big fan of people from the supposed "traditional" hurling counties talking down to people from less successful hurling counties, solely on the basis of where they're coming from and what their county team has or hasn't accomplished."
At least there's some honesty there at last. You and most of your fellow Leinstermen don't want us in and with that attitude, we'd be better off out rather than be treated as 2nd class citizens.

One other thing. I don't have a problem with anyone from any county commenting on hurling. What I do have a problem with is with someone making a dig at Galway with a reference to our record in Munster, something that has absolutely zero relevance to our position in Leinster.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 863 - 31/10/2016 13:08:20    1930387

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Its a pity that the attitudes from Leinster are so short sighted. They are happy to come second forever to Kilkenny but coming 3rd behind Galway and Kilkenny is the straw that breaks the camels back.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 01/11/2016 09:08:42    1930554

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Well lads, said I'd leave it 24 hours to post til everyone cools down, think we're all getting a bit to heated here! :)

Look-it, saying things like "we're not welcome in Leinster" isn't true, the issue is more complicated than that.
Most likely people from Galway are surprised by some of the views a few of us have expressed here, and the thing is although I know plenty in Leinster would share these views, they're not keen on expressing them. The reason being alot of them are conflicted (myself included) over the issue, as there is actually a huge amount of respect and goodwill in Leinster towards Galway hurling.

So on the one hand, I think most people want to help Galway and are sympathetic towards their plight, while on the other hand they can see how Galways, and others, inclusion in the Leinster championship has not been entirely beneficial to many counties in Leinster. That's the issue here.

And so the thing, for me at least, that is frustrating in these circumstances, is when people looking for more for Galway hurling do not acknowledge the legitimate concerns of many in Leinster, and simply try to portray the Leinster board as the bad guy all the time.

That's all lads, nothing personal.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 01/11/2016 10:00:17    1930569

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Its a pity that the attitudes from Leinster are so short sighted. They are happy to come second forever to Kilkenny but coming 3rd behind Galway and Kilkenny is the straw that breaks the camels back."
I'm sorry, but who from leinster told you they're happy to lose to Kilkenny?
I've heard this on several occasions from Munster folk, that somehow recurring defeats to Kilkenny suggest we all love getting bet out the gate by them?

By your logic, can we infer Limerick enjoy losing all-ireland finals, as they haven't won one in many moons?

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 01/11/2016 10:04:54    1930573

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Replying To Ailteoir:  "At least there's some honesty there at last. You and most of your fellow Leinstermen don't want us in and with that attitude, we'd be better off out rather than be treated as 2nd class citizens.

One other thing. I don't have a problem with anyone from any county commenting on hurling. What I do have a problem with is with someone making a dig at Galway with a reference to our record in Munster, something that has absolutely zero relevance to our position in Leinster."
I agree with you on this, whatever Galway did in the Munster championship several generations ago has no real relevance to todays argument.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 01/11/2016 10:25:49    1930579

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Replying To extranjero:  "I'm sorry, but who from leinster told you they're happy to lose to Kilkenny?
I've heard this on several occasions from Munster folk, that somehow recurring defeats to Kilkenny suggest we all love getting bet out the gate by them?

By your logic, can we infer Limerick enjoy losing all-ireland finals, as they haven't won one in many moons?"
No that logic would be flawed. Limerick lost finals due to not being good enough on a given day and bad tactics in the main. When Limerick got the oppportunity to play Kilkenny in 2014 they met them head on and played until the end. Cody said that it was physically as tough as anything he encountered. But we lost and that was awfull.
Munster folk look at Wexford, Offaly and to a lesser extent Dublin and watch you guys roll over without leaving iff a shot when playing Kilkenny. And then ye go and tip them for the All Ireland like they are representing you guys in some small way.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 01/11/2016 12:07:14    1930613

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Its a pity that the attitudes from Leinster are so short sighted. They are happy to come second forever to Kilkenny but coming 3rd behind Galway and Kilkenny is the straw that breaks the camels back."
I don't think any of the Leinster hurling counties are happy to be second forever to Kilkenny and they have not always been second to Kilkenny. It has often been said that the Leinster hurling championship has traditionally been between Kilkenny and one other team (often one of the other Leinster hurling counties would have been strong at various times), Dublin were once serious competitors for some time and won a good few Leinster's, Wexford won a good few at various periods and in the 1980's and 1990's Offaly (Offaly won 6 Leinster's in the 1980's compared to Kilkenny's 4). So far in this century Kilkenny have been dominant more so than at any time before but this has to be viewed as Kilkenny enjoying the best era of dominance in hurling ever (nationally as well as provincially), they won 11 out 16 All Irelands between 2000 and 2015. Remember also Dublin have won as many Leinster championships as Galway since Galway have joined this championship.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1359 - 01/11/2016 12:18:19    1930615

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"No that logic would be flawed."

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:443 - 01/11/2016 12:07:14  


Exactly! Proved my point, thank you!

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 01/11/2016 12:37:24    1930623

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"Munster folk look at Wexford, Offaly and to a lesser extent Dublin and watch you guys roll over without leaving iff a shot when playing Kilkenny. And then ye go and tip them for the All Ireland like they are representing you guys in some small way."

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:443 - 01/11/2016 12:07:14  


Do you think people outside of Munster view Limericks constant subservience to Kerry in the Football championship similarly?
If they did, would you consider it unfair to have such a viewpoint?

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 01/11/2016 12:44:27    1930624

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