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Leinster SHC Final Wexford V Kilkenny

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Replying To bobkat:  "Not the point. A Leinster final should be in Leinster, end of. Munster wouldent tolerate a Munster final in Leinster under any circumstances. John Horan said last year that this would not happen again. Its disrespectful to Leinster hurling in general, but money talks.
Lets hope its not a draw and Horan doesnt have to eat his words."
It should not even be called the Leinster championship any more!

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 13 - 25/06/2019 12:20:30    2200549

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Replying To ecad123:  "It should not even be called the Leinster championship any more!"
I'd prefer to toss for Nowlan or Wexford Park with even distribution of tickets than go to PUC. PUC a lovely pitch but it has been ridiculous asking Wexford supporters to go there. The powers that be got their answer the last two years - they didn't listen after 2017 but they certainly know now.

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 971 - 25/06/2019 12:49:35    2200566

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Replying To lochgarmanabu:  "I'd prefer to toss for Nowlan or Wexford Park with even distribution of tickets than go to PUC. PUC a lovely pitch but it has been ridiculous asking Wexford supporters to go there. The powers that be got their answer the last two years - they didn't listen after 2017 but they certainly know now."
Cork doesnt seem that much further away than Dublin I assume the roads are not as good though.

To stay in Leinster and be neutral its Portlaoise which isnt much better for Wexford people so maybe a toss up is best but 27000 aint a great capacity for a final no matter where You chose in Leinster.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 239 - 25/06/2019 13:30:33    2200592

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Replying To Viking66:  "We probably wouldve beaten Kilkenny last year in Nowlan Park only for it being our fourth championship match in successive weeks. We faded badly in the last 20 minutes. The other 3 teams that had to play 4 in a row (Tipp Waterford and Offaly) were all eliminated after the round robin. We drew in Salthill and again against Kilkenny this year and drew with Dublin who equalised in the 7th minute of the 4 added minutes. I dont see how anyone can rate us as being any lower than Kilkenny or Dublin but they do. Waterford Clare and Galway are usually rated higher than us too and they are gone altogether this year. While we seem to have a mental hangup about AIQF fixtures the fact remains we have reached the last 6 in 5 of the last 6 years now which isn't that lowly either. Hopefully we will win something this year. But even if we do we will still only be 8th of 9th in the betting for Liam next year."
I very much hope I am wrong, but the reason Galway are considered better than Wexford or Dublin currently is because they are. I really cant help but feel when it comes to the quarter finals or semi's that Wexford or Dublin will be well beaten by Tipp or Limerick. Whereas a semi final with either of those 2 vs Galway and you probably get a 1 point game, as our 3 semi finals against tipp all ended, along with the drawn Clare and 1 point Semi final win last year.

But again I do hope I am wrong. And I say all of this on the back of realising wexford should have beaten us in salthill and dublin did beat us. Its in no way an anti dublin or wexford post.

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 130 - 25/06/2019 13:40:52    2200599

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Lets worry about the replay if it happens, stick to the match at hand for now. Too many threads get dragged off on tangents

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 25/06/2019 13:49:39    2200604

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Replying To ecad123:  "It should not even be called the Leinster championship any more!"
What should it be called?

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 463 - 25/06/2019 15:46:33    2200692

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Lets worry about the replay if it happens, stick to the match at hand for now. Too many threads get dragged off on tangents"
Your spot on...the match hasn't even been played yet and that lad is taking about a replay. This game should be a cracker

katser (Galway) - Posts: 667 - 25/06/2019 15:51:12    2200700

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Great rivals.. Great managers....many great players on both teams. Should be a cracker. Hoping Wexford score better than in recent years. McDonald has been relatively quiet but has the finishing instincts to cause havoc if supplied with decent ball. Hope Wexfirrd really attack Kilkenny and have as real go.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1482 - 25/06/2019 20:32:30    2200870

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Replying To carlowman:  "Great rivals.. Great managers....many great players on both teams. Should be a cracker. Hoping Wexford score better than in recent years. McDonald has been relatively quiet but has the finishing instincts to cause havoc if supplied with decent ball. Hope Wexfirrd really attack Kilkenny and have as real go."
Is this a joke?.
Kilkenny in 2017 is the only decent team that Davy has beaten from 2014 til now. Its beyond me how anyone thinks that he is a good manager.
You cant use the word great and include, Davy and Brian Cody.
Why has McDonald been relatively quite?.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 174 - 25/06/2019 21:21:40    2200909

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Replying To mooncat:  "What should it be called?"
One of two names:
1. The non-snobby championship!
2. The East's Awake (by Galway) championship! lol

baire (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 25/06/2019 21:38:16    2200924

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Replying To Dec82:  "Is this a joke?.
Kilkenny in 2017 is the only decent team that Davy has beaten from 2014 til now. Its beyond me how anyone thinks that he is a good manager.
You cant use the word great and include, Davy and Brian Cody.
Why has McDonald been relatively quite?."
He won an All ireland with what has seemed to be since not exactly a great Clare senior panel. He brought Waterford to a Munster title and all Ireland final and they havent exactly set the hurling world alight either since he left. He had us beat Kilkenny in 2017 and would probably have repeated the trick last year in Nowlan Park except the players just ran out of legs after unfairly having had to play 4 championship games on successive weekends. We beat Dublin which was something else we hadnt achieved for the last decade either. This year we are unbeaten in Championship hurling. If you want to take into account the league he won the first league title with Clare that they won since god was a child and brought us up to 1a and comfortably kept us there. We still have a bit of mental fragility in big games but what better way to get over that than to play and hopefully win more big games? If you dont think he is a good manager maybe you should take it up?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 748 - 25/06/2019 21:54:33    2200936

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Replying To Viking66:  "He won an All ireland with what has seemed to be since not exactly a great Clare senior panel. He brought Waterford to a Munster title and all Ireland final and they havent exactly set the hurling world alight either since he left. He had us beat Kilkenny in 2017 and would probably have repeated the trick last year in Nowlan Park except the players just ran out of legs after unfairly having had to play 4 championship games on successive weekends. We beat Dublin which was something else we hadnt achieved for the last decade either. This year we are unbeaten in Championship hurling. If you want to take into account the league he won the first league title with Clare that they won since god was a child and brought us up to 1a and comfortably kept us there. We still have a bit of mental fragility in big games but what better way to get over that than to play and hopefully win more big games? If you dont think he is a good manager maybe you should take it up?"
I'm not going to get into a Davy and Clare argument with you.
Every other point you make, doesn't make him a good manager. Beating Dublin and talking about the league, are you serious?. What happened to Clare after they won the league?. You keep going back to the 4 games in a row, ye didn't have 4 games in a row this year and still only beat Carlow.

I'm not having a go at Wexford, i dont even know anyone from Wexford, its just him.
Who knows, i might just do that and maybe beat a decent team from time to time.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 174 - 25/06/2019 22:28:11    2200969

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Replying To bobkat:  "Not the point. A Leinster final should be in Leinster, end of. Munster wouldent tolerate a Munster final in Leinster under any circumstances. John Horan said last year that this would not happen again. Its disrespectful to Leinster hurling in general, but money talks.
Lets hope its not a draw and Horan doesnt have to eat his words."
Honestly, I wouldn't give a ......

What difference does it make?

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1025 - 25/06/2019 22:39:14    2200977

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Replying To mooncat:  "What should it be called?"
When Antrim were in it I thought the "Tri-province championship" would have been a good (and geographically correct) name for it, if a bit poncy.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1025 - 25/06/2019 22:46:26    2200978

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Replying To bobkat:  "Not the point. A Leinster final should be in Leinster, end of. Munster wouldent tolerate a Munster final in Leinster under any circumstances. John Horan said last year that this would not happen again. Its disrespectful to Leinster hurling in general, but money talks.
Lets hope its not a draw and Horan doesnt have to eat his words."
Ya but the situations are quite different.

I wouldn't tolerate a Munster final in Leinster not because of tradition of the magic aura of Munster but simply because we have 4 40000+ capacity stadiums to chose from and ye have 0 40000+ backups if HQ is booked.

Also if Cork is been mentioned as the likely venue it may be because Limk v Tipp would have to be in Thurles the same day in event of a replay

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 239 - 25/06/2019 22:52:43    2200982

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Honestly, I wouldn't give a ......

What difference does it make?"
exactly,what difference.
i just hope we get the job done on sunday and cut out the need for a replay!! :)

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3427 - 26/06/2019 09:09:24    2201068

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Replying To baire:  "One of two names:
1. The non-snobby championship!
2. The East's Awake (by Galway) championship! lol"
1. Rest of Ireland championship

or

2. Best of the rest championship

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Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 239 - 26/06/2019 12:23:52    2201192

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Does sheedy have a point? Would there be a few thousand hurling fans who would go to both? I would have thought so.

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Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2784 - 26/06/2019 12:24:49    2201195

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Replying To Viking66:  "I agree it should be in Leinster bobkat. But where? Portlaoise or Tullamore not really handy either......as a province we are fairly poorly equipped to deal with croke park actually not prioritising the playing of gaelic games any more......"
I would rather go back to Wexford Park than any Munster venue. What a match we had the last day. Keep the over hyped Munster hurling. Waterford should have been relegated, same as Carlow.
Croke Park, Portlaoise, Wexford or Kilkenny. Any of those would do me. The Gaa werent thinking of a replay when they booked Westlife, they just saw the dollars, same as last year with Buble.
It will be a draw, mark my words.

bobkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 17 - 26/06/2019 12:47:36    2201211

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Replying To ecad123:  "It should not even be called the Leinster championship any more!"
Given that New York and London compete in it do you have similar thoughts for renaming the All-Ireland football c'ship?
Personally, I'm going to the "Leinster Hurling Final" and looking forward to a great occasion (without the added stress of caring who wins)

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 888 - 26/06/2019 13:41:34    2201247

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