While I'm not particularly fond of Ireland's call and am pretty indifferent to the whole anthems debate I strongly disagree that Phil Coulter should be killed.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12452 - 22/09/2015 16:36:00    1790851

Ormond at all away matches only IC is played, nothing to do with the WC. Either you play amhran na bhfiann home or away or you don't play it all. If it is disrespectful to a part of Ireland that you don't play it away from Home how come it is not disrespectful if you play it at Home?

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/09/2015 16:40:53    1790857

Great post gotmilk. Fantastic to hear those stories. I have been in Ravenhill many times over the years and it certainly is a very inclusive atmosphere. My post was addressing the unfortjnate attitudes of many Ulster posters and others on this site

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 22/09/2015 16:54:07    1790882

22/09/2015 16:40:53
witnof
Ormond at all away matches only IC is played, nothing to do with the WC. Either you play amhran na bhfiann home or away or you don't play it all. If it is disrespectful to a part of Ireland that you don't play it away from Home how come it is not disrespectful if you play it at Home? Is this something difficult to understand
Its played at home as the game is in the state.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 16:56:23    1790883

Ormond, the boxers are a 32 county team.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 22/09/2015 18:16:49    1790940

Ormond, in state or out of state if you believe the National Anthem is not inclusive, or divisive you do not play it!!!!

They play it in Ireland because the IRFU fear a backlash otherwise

So either play it or don't, or like the Springboks role three songs into one, and play it everywhere

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/09/2015 18:26:28    1790948

By the very nature of the topic we ll disagree. I think Ireland call is ok. It does a job..I'd prefer Danny Boy.
Amhrann na bfhiann is a poor effort and it's in Irish so most people just want it over and done with a sap.
The tri colour has been hi jacked by republicans anyway and there's plenty of us who respect it but it holds little affinity really. There's no 32 county organisation that should fly the tricolour abroad...By rights if an Ireland rugby team play in Belfast then god save the queen is supposed to be played. That happened for years and no one gave a hoot. The unionists actually compromise a lot and dropped this request just to avoid having the 'man utd jersey..Dublin shorts and republican tendencies' type from wrecking the place

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 22/09/2015 19:32:52    1790985

22/09/2015 18:26:28
witnof
Ormond, in state or out of state if you believe the National Anthem is not inclusive, or divisive you do not play it!!!!
They play it in Ireland because the IRFU fear a backlash otherwise

So either play it or don't, or like the Springboks role three songs into one, and play it everywhere They play it at home out of respect and as majority of people at games are irish/head of state there etc.
I don't see any issue with both being played at home and just Irelands call at away/neutral venues. if they changed things you and others would still complain so why bother change the system when it works

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 19:45:05    1790992

Bloodyban they are fairly swinging generalisations . Both the tricolour and the anthem are respected maybe not by you but they are respected . They are an integral part of the build up to most sporting occasions in this country . The possible reason for most people not giving a hoot about God Save The Queen being played before internationals played in Ravenhill is that rugby at the time was highly elitist and most people in the country simply didn't give a hoot about rugby .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 22/09/2015 19:56:27    1791002

'Integral part to a build up'..I think not.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 22/09/2015 20:09:44    1791013

'The unionists actually compromise a lot'

That did make me laugh

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 23/09/2015 10:35:11    1791166

Breffni39
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While I'm not particularly fond of Ireland's call and am pretty indifferent to the whole anthems debate I strongly disagree that Phil Coulter should be killed.


I know nothing of the context, this was the first post I saw. You sir just won the internet

JackoDub (Dublin) - Posts: 458 - 23/09/2015 10:49:52    1791174

Clearly Ireland's call is offensive to our Ulster friends (of the loyal persuasion) as well if this chap's opinion is anything to go by:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrSzRLNRHdU

Perhaps if the Garda band played a flute medley before Amhran Na bhfian, everybody would be happy..

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 26/09/2015 16:04:18    1792595

Think again Bloodyban .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 26/09/2015 19:08:00    1792635

Although I like watching the games if you strip away all the hype; the captains runs, arrogant refs and tmos men doing the war dance of a culture they destroyed, words like ruck breakdown and maul which all describe big lads bashing into each other, then you reveal a game inferior in skill and entertainment to gaa. The anthem debate is the same. Lads stand shoulder to shoulder with a team representing a unified nation but three quarters of that nation are denied the chance to hear their own anthem on the international stage. In its place we get the anthem of empire.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 27/09/2015 13:00:35    1792697

I find it impossible to make sense of most of that Sceptical. A nation is a nation not 'three quarters' of a nation. The Irish international rugby team represents two distinct jurisdictions on the one Island, not one single nation. That's not difficult to understand. They are the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. They are both Irish but only Northern Ireland is British as well. It would therefore be unfortunate if only one intity was represented in the Anthem, would you not agree?
Regarding Empire and all the rest of it. It's all irrelevant to my main point. One cannot dominate the other tradition on this Island. It will never work.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 27/09/2015 15:10:24    1792730

Bloodyban it is not about the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland . It is about Unionist and Nationalist. The territories have nothing to do with it . It is about two traditions . The IRFU engage in one practice in Dublin and another one everywhere else .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 27/09/2015 17:01:55    1792746

27/09/2015 13:00:35
sceptical
Although I like watching the games if you strip away all the hype; the captains runs, arrogant refs and tmos men doing the war dance of a culture they destroyed, words like ruck breakdown and maul which all describe big lads bashing into each other, then you reveal a game inferior in skill and entertainment to gaa. The anthem debate is the same. Lads stand shoulder to shoulder with a team representing a unified nation but three quarters of that nation are denied the chance to hear their own anthem on the international stage. In its place we get the anthem of empire.What is the anthem of empire? What empire?
Who are the arrogant refs? Which cultures have been destroyed and who destroyed them?
You are criticising rugby for being arrogant yet you are being ignorant.
27/09/2015 15:10:24 bloodyban
I find it impossible to make sense of most of that Sceptical. A nation is a nation not 'three quarters' of a nation. The Irish international rugby team represents two distinct jurisdictions on the one Island, not one single nation. That's not difficult to understand. They are the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. They are both Irish but only Northern Ireland is British as well. It would therefore be unfortunate if only one intity was represented in the Anthem, would you not agree?
Regarding Empire and all the rest of it. It's all irrelevant to my main point. One cannot dominate the other tradition on this Island. It will never work.spot on
27/09/2015 17:01:55
Greengrass

Bloodyban it is not about the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. It is about Unionist and Nationalist. The territories have nothing to do with it. It is about two traditions. The IRFU engage in one practice in Dublin and another one everywhere else.The IRFU are given special permission to use two anthems at home. No other country has 2 anthems. We only use 1 at all other games and that is the one that represents all.
It is about irish nationalist and british nationalists.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/09/2015 17:25:33    1792750

Ireland's Call doesn't represent all Ormond.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 27/09/2015 19:00:47    1792776

Irelands call is supposed to represent everyone. That's why it was wrote. Weather one chooses to sing it or not is an individual's choice(a few of the southern guys don't I notice which is a bit unfortunate). Personally I'd like everyone to stand up and sing it but the minimum I'd expect is respect for it.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 27/09/2015 19:15:28    1792783