What is sectarian about wanting to see my national flag flying and national anthem playing when my country plays?

Here is a definition of it, the important part is in bold!

is a form of bigotry, discrimination, or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion, nationalism, class, regional or factions of a political movement.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 21/09/2015 11:39:44    1789995

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What is sectarian about wanting to see my national flag flying and national anthem playing when my country plays?
Here is a definition of it, the important part is in bold!
is a form of bigotry, discrimination, or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion, nationalism, class, regional or factions of a political movement The flag doesn't represent all. The irish rugby side represent 2 nations with 2 national flags. If you want Tricolour flying I suppose you would have no issue with any ulster unionists supporting Ireland also flying the union jack?
The irfu has its own flag and uses Irelands call so these things are not an issue. Why cant people on this forum accept that and accept that nothing will change

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/09/2015 14:37:29    1790149

They had the Ireland flag and Ulster flag in Cardiff at the weekend...

RunOfThePigs (Donegal) - Posts: 131 - 21/09/2015 15:17:00    1790167

No it isn't. Amhran na bhfiann isn't the national anthem of Ireland. Irelands Call represents more than Amhran na bhfiann does. The IRFU are an all island body and are not denying anyone anything by not using the tricolour.
There is no better solution and unless someone comes up with something that is better this will stay as what goes on pre match

Ormond you normally make a lot of sense wen you post. Unfortunately the post above is not one of your better ones. To say that Ireland's Call represents more people than Amhran na bhFiann is wrong. Ireland's Call represents no one. The vast majority of the people on this island are being snubbed. You can dress it up any way you like but that is the truth. That said, I appreciate it is difficult to accommodate both traditions

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 21/09/2015 20:54:38    1790411

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Uibhfaili ireland are ranked above Zimbabwe who are are test team and that is even with losing their best players to England precisely because they can not play test cricket fir ireland

Zimbabwe don't play a huge amount of test matches anymore.

Those players also choose to play for England because of the extra money they can earn.

I'd imagine that because of Bangladesh being so poor at test level for so long there is very little chance of Ireland being given test status in the near future as the chances are Ireland would be even worse than Bangladesh were and it would be waste of time for all involved.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 21/09/2015 21:06:31    1790419

21/09/2015 20:54:38
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Ormond you normally make a lot of sense wen you post. Unfortunately the post above is not one of your better ones. To say that Ireland's Call represents more people than Amhran na bhFiann is wrong. Ireland's Call represents no one. The vast majority of the people on this island are being snubbed. You can dress it up any way you like but that is the truth. That said, I appreciate it is difficult to accommodate both traditions
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Uibhfaili ireland are ranked above Zimbabwe who are are test team and that is even with losing their best players to England precisely because they can not play test cricket fir ireland

Zimbabwe don't play a huge amount of test matches anymore.

Those players also choose to play for England because of the extra money they can earn.

I'd imagine that because of Bangladesh being so poor at test level for so long there is very little chance of Ireland being given test status in the near future as the chances are Ireland would be even worse than Bangladesh were and it would be waste of time for all involved.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 09:45:12    1790490

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No it isn't. Amhran na bhfiann isn't the national anthem of Ireland. Irelands Call represents more than Amhran na bhfiann does. The IRFU are an all island body and are not denying anyone anything by not using the tricolour.
There is no better solution and unless someone comes up with something that is better this will stay as what goes on pre match
21/09/2015 20:54:38 Greengrass
Ormond you normally make a lot of sense wen you post. Unfortunately the post above is not one of your better ones. To say that Ireland's Call represents more people than Amhran na bhFiann is wrong. Ireland's Call represents no one. The vast majority of the people on this island are being snubbed. You can dress it up any way you like but that is the truth. That said, I appreciate it is difficult to accommodate both traditions It isn't the truth. There is plenty who support irish teams who never have and never will sing Amhran na bhfiann as it isn't their anthem. Irelands Call is shite but it represents all. It is a terrible song/tune/anthem and Phil Coulter should be killed for creating it but the only thing that's good about it is the message it creates/spreads
Nobody is being snubbed when its played

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 09:47:37    1790491

I wonder will we have the England and Cornwall flags flown this weekend!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 22/09/2015 10:42:02    1790528

Sorry Ormond you are wrong on this one.

I remember been asked by the French why I wouldn't sing it in Paris, and I bluntly told them it has nothing to do with me. At All. Nothing!

IC only represents Irish rugby and no more, and Irish rugby is not the majority.

As to the flag....

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/09/2015 10:42:44    1790530

22/09/2015 10:42:44
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Sorry Ormond you are wrong on this one.
I remember been asked by the French why I wouldn't sing it in Paris, and I bluntly told them it has nothing to do with me. At All. Nothing!
IC only represents Irish rugby and no more, and Irish rugby is not the majority.
As to the flag.... Irelands Call represents more than irish rugby. Its been adopted by several other all island international sports.
The IRFU flag and Irelands Call take politics out of the sport so why are people so obsessed with bringing useless petty political arguments back into the discussion

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 10:59:25    1790546

It has been adopted by all the garrison games ormo

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 22/09/2015 12:28:57    1790640

22/09/2015 12:28:57
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It has been adopted by all the garrison games ormond No its been adopted by sports that have all island teams at international level

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 12:52:34    1790654

Do the boxers use it ? The anthem and the flag of the vast majority of people on this island are not about politics. They are about representation. Both traditions are accommodated at home . They should both be accommodated abroad.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 22/09/2015 13:24:30    1790678

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Do the boxers use it? The anthem and the flag of the vast majority of people on this island are not about politics. They are about representation. Both traditions are accommodated at home . They should both be accommodated abroad. Boxers choose to fight for ROI not NI
The anthem and flag are very political.
Both traditions are accommodated at home out of respect and it being at home. No other country has 2 anthems so we use one away and that is the one that represents all. Why cant people just accept this and quit the childish whinging about flags and songs.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 15:32:28    1790795

It seems that in NI politics are sport are inextricably linked. If you are a nationalist then you have to follow GAA and dislike rugby, cricket etc. And same in reverse for unionist community. Very sad but hopefully the next generation wont feel the need to follow these 'rules'

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 22/09/2015 15:56:07    1790812

As fir tbe anthems, who gives a toss about these silly songs before games. Some of ye should stick to the Eurovision rather than sport

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4655 - 22/09/2015 15:57:28    1790813

Ormond why are people brassed off?

I tell you why, if the IRFU had the balls to say they are stopping the Amhran na bhfiann and the Irish flag/fleg then so be it.

But this pretence of playing both at home and flying the Tricolour at Aviva only to 'ban' them on away trips stinks of double standards.

And the David Hickey interviews sums up my comments about soccer as well!!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/09/2015 15:57:33    1790814

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Boxers choose to fight for ROI not NI

That is not true, the Irish Olympic Council operates on an all island basis, and this has been recognised internationally since the Good Friday agreement.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 22/09/2015 16:11:10    1790826

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It seems that in NI politics are sport are inextricably linked. If you are a nationalist then you have to follow GAA and dislike rugby, cricket etc. And same in reverse for unionist community. Very sad but hopefully the next generation wont feel the need to follow these 'rules'

You prejudice SOB. Your ignorance knows no limits. A number of my 'nationalist and republican' friends were in Cardiff at the weekend for the rugby. Take a walk into the terraces of Ravenhill and see how many are nationalist. When at uni i sat in the LRC in Jordanstown along with a number of gaa jersey wearing students watching Ireland beat England in the cricket. The LRC erupted when Ireland won.
At Fermanagh games during the summer I met numerous people who would be classed as unionist on my travels following Fermanagh. I work with an individual who has played AIB level rugby to quite a high level. He is from the unionist community and his father was in the RUC yet he still attended a number of Fermanagh games.
The only thing is sad is that you think this is what the vast majority of people in the North are like. Yes there are people who can't let go of the past but most of those people are found in the soccer grounds up and down the country. The Irish league is still not a friendly place for young nationalists. Windsor park is also an area where nationalists are not made feel overly welcome but people from all classes, creeds and religions follow the sports they are interested in. It's nothing to do with their 'community'

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 22/09/2015 16:15:09    1790830

22/09/2015 15:56:07
bad.monkey
It seems that in NI politics are sport are inextricably linked. If you are a nationalist then you have to follow GAA and dislike rugby, cricket etc. And same in reverse for unionist community. Very sad but hopefully the next generation wont feel the need to follow these 'rules' totally agree
22/09/2015 15:57:33 witnof
Ormond why are people brassed off?
I tell you why, if the IRFU had the balls to say they are stopping the Amhran na bhfiann and the Irish flag/fleg then so be it.
But this pretence of playing both at home and flying the Tricolour at Aviva only to 'ban' them on away trips stinks of double standards.
And the David Hickey interviews sums up my comments about soccer as well!! Oh god!! People criticise IRFU for not using amhran na bhfiann so to solve things you propose they don't use them at all. Great plan!!!!!!!!!
The IRFU haven't banned anything from away trips. Its out of respect Ireland can use both at home games. World Rugby doesn't let them use 2 at away games.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2015 16:19:14    1790834