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I'm not sure you know what you're talking about half the time lad, once again you're reading far far too much into this. Listen obviously shows in Britain do far better because they have a population of 60 million people compared to just 4 over here so they can pump far more money into them.......simple.

take programmes like father ted and mrs brownes boys
they were both rejected in this country for being irish made

I can't speak for Mrs Brownes boys, but the writers of Fr Ted rejected this country not the other way around! see read this:

http://www.clickonline.com/gossip/fr-ted-writers-snubbed-rte-in-favour-of-channel-4/6371/

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/03/2014 12:27:29    1566551

Deary me, a few panic buttons being pressed here, let's see how it goes, it doesn't have to stay if it's not working.

I doubt anyone in Hayes hotel got a wink of sleep the last few nights, the ghosts of 1884 roaming the corridors voicing their horror at it all :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8808 - 29/03/2014 12:37:54    1566555

True about Fr. Ted, total myth that RTE rejected it!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8808 - 29/03/2014 12:39:44    1566557

Who would host and be the pundits??? Be a nice change from "the old mans club" on RTE

brolly_4_pres (Derry) - Posts: 356 - 29/03/2014 12:51:49    1566564

Down with this sort of thing!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 29/03/2014 13:52:10    1566587

Htaem

What does the population of UK got to do with the shows getting more coverage in Ireland than our own programme?
You can pretend all you want that im imagining the whole anglicised modern ireland but were you not one of the people complaining about matches on tg4 because they were in Irish

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/03/2014 14:03:58    1566592

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I find all this critism directed towards rte unbelievable. Michael Lyster is one of the finest broadcasters on any tv station. All the posts advocating Sky TV bid think the coverage will be far superior than rte. In fairness RTE have probably among the greatest GAA stars of the past involved in their programmes. Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke are among the best footballers of their generation as well as a super coach in Kevin McStay, you have liam sheedy, tomas mulchay and cyril farrell great hurling analysts and have proven track records in the game. What pundits better than RTE are sky going to get? Between RTE TV and Radio their coverage isn't bad. The only thing Sky will do better is have flasher ads and more beefed up music.
And for the record the subscription to sky sports is €60. You cannot get sky sports without the basic package and throw the sports onto that and it is €60+.

Michel Lyster although he seems like a very nice fella and I'm sure he is is not a very good host, as he never challenges the panelists on the bull crap they spout continuously.

The 3 main football pundits are dreadful due to their endless negativity and endless back in my day things were better type of analysis.In my opinion they are completely out of touch with modern intercounty football

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 29/03/2014 14:45:39    1566605

Year in... Year out

Subscriptions drop after the Prem farce league ends

Big chunk out of every year Sky loses millions out of the Irish Market

Almost a quarter of the year... big gap in their yearly Irish profits

Now they have the content that will bridge that gap

Sky don't give a god damn about our sports... and they won't pump millions into promoting our games in the UK

They'll bang up some signs in Ireland, on the side of buses and have a few over the top promos... with fire and explosions in them

Very little will be done in the UK...

It's all about bridging the gap in their Irish subscriptions

They now have that 12 month schedule to make them more money in the Irish Market

Drop off greatly reduced... quite a small investment for them in order to establish a digital dominance in Ireland

Hopefully there will be some positives such as better coverage and production

But I honestly don't see them investing heavily... it wouldn't be worth their while

They have what they want from our games... stop gap content until the Prem Farce starts again

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/03/2014 15:50:51    1566631

So, the discussion is kind of getting derailed, and alot of separate issues appear to be getting conflated.

First, I'd still be hugely surprised if this happened, even though alot of signs are pointing to it.

Secondly, this isn't about giving the games exposure in the UK, no one would have a problem with that. Personally, if the games are to be shown int the UK, I'd prefer to see them on free to air channels, which would actually give the games a wider audience, and not impinge on anyone's ability in Ireland to still view all available matches.

This is about people having to spend extra money, money they possibly can't afford, to watch championship hurling and football matches. Now, all I hear in news from home is how people are struggling, and how tight money is. Now, maybe this is being over-stated, I don't know, and things maybe aren't as bad as made out. But I know from my own experience, and from people I know at home, that things are tight for alot of people, and that a Sky subscription, and a Sky Sports subscription on top of that, is a luxury they can't afford. Older people in particular come to mind, alot of older folks I know of (who spent alot of their lives contributing to the GAA in one way or the other), live for the games during the summer. They're not as sprite as they used to be, so they can't get to the games like the used, so the games on TV are a lifeline. They're not going to be able to pay for Sky any time soon. And if people say 'sure its only 14 games that'll be going to Sky', those 14 games (including AI quarter finals I might add) might contain the totality of your counties championship participation. So the options are spend money on a Sky subscription or go to the pub? I think both those institutions are doing well enough from the Irish public as it is.

Now, you might say 'whats so special about the GAA, why shouldn't people have to pay to watch it?' The GAA is no better or worse than any other sporting organization, no more or less worthy. But it has a special status in the country, and more importantly, in almost every parish or community. Whether people like it or not, its a cultural as well as sporting organization. And the GAA trades on this, it trades on that good will. Ultimately, its the players who fill stadiums, and attract TV camera's, and these guys don't get paid. The money made by the GAA is made from people volunteering that time, out of something other than a sense of self interest, or economic gain. The GAA is where it is because its been built by people with that ethos, there to serve its community, rather than feed off it.
There's a sense of duty that the GAA trades on, and it can't continue to do that AND NOT make the games available to everyone that pays a TV license. It can't be two different types organization, and expect everyone to be ok with it.

(Apologies for being long-winded)

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/03/2014 15:57:58    1566636

excellent post marlon jd
just one other thing the gaa is an amature organisation
this should have some regard when it comes to asking people to pay subscriptions to watch it
you do not pay as much money itno a gaa match as you do to other professional sports
so you should not be charged as much money to watch gaa as professional sports on tv

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/03/2014 16:22:17    1566650

Htaem and muckrosshead
ye can bury ye 'r heads in the sand all ye want but every action has a reaction remember that when there will be strikes, ye were on here before Xmas saying to relax that at most sky would get a few league games that there was no way the GAA would give up any rights to championship games now low and behold it looks like sky are getting 14 championship games and mark my words it won't stop there.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/03/2014 16:29:58    1566653

Good point lads, isn't the GAA supposed to be inclusive not exclusive ?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/03/2014 16:53:16    1566662

"ye can bury ye 'r heads in the sand all ye want but every action has a reaction remember that when there will be strikes, ye were on here before Xmas saying to relax that at most sky would get a few league games that there was no way the GAA would give up any rights to championship games now low and behold it looks like sky are getting 14 championship games and mark my words it won't stop there."

Yeah, just like the way the "foreign sports" destroyed our games as soon as we let them into Croker!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 29/03/2014 17:08:48    1566667

Well said marlon jd you hit the nail on the head there.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/03/2014 17:21:53    1566669

Truth is we don't know at the moment what sky is getting or could get, It could turn out to be something we regret 5 years down the road or a great move that made RTE buck up and change their attitude to GAA coverage and for once we have competition for viewership.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 29/03/2014 17:28:01    1566673

Athcliath
Not being smart but you don't need to be a fortune teller to see where this is going. There was a guy on radio Kerry today and he said that the GAA have Dublin play all thee championship games in croker for the money and they seeded Kerry and cork in Munster for the money, and now sky where will it stop? They are losing touch with the common supporter all in the cause of getting more money.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/03/2014 18:21:10    1566688

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I find all this critism directed towards rte unbelievable. Michael Lyster is one of the finest broadcasters on any tv station. All the posts advocating Sky TV bid think the coverage will be far superior than rte. In fairness RTE have probably among the greatest GAA stars of the past involved in their programmes. Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke are among the best footballers of their generation as well as a super coach in Kevin McStay, you have liam sheedy, tomas mulchay and cyril farrell great hurling analysts and have proven track records in the game. What pundits better than RTE are sky going to get? Between RTE TV and Radio their coverage isn't bad. The only thing Sky will do better is have flasher ads and more beefed up music.
And for the record the subscription to sky sports is €60. You cannot get sky sports without the basic package and throw the sports onto that and it is €60+.

Michel Lyster although he seems like a very nice fella and I'm sure he is is not a very good host, as he never challenges the panelists on the bull crap they spout continuously.

The 3 main football pundits are dreadful due to their endless negativity and endless back in my day things were better type of analysis.In my opinion they are completely out of touch with modern intercounty football


its well known that sky presenters and pundits are the greatest bunch of yes men going. they are hardly like john giles and eamonn dunphy. look at the difference between graham souness when he is on sky and rte. spillane gets serious unfair criticism,a man who played a pivotal role in the greatest football team of all time surely has an opinion of massive value and at least he says what is true. he was spot on about tyrone/armagh style of football. a couple of all-irelands and they were almost tell the rest of us how to play the game.

the gaa are meant to be advocating anti-drinking campaigns but this deal is going to drive people into the pubs.

The_Bull (Cork) - Posts: 248 - 29/03/2014 18:39:29    1566692

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The_Bull
County: Cork
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I find all this critism directed towards rte unbelievable. Michael Lyster is one of the finest broadcasters on any tv station. All the posts advocating Sky TV bid think the coverage will be far superior than rte. In fairness RTE have probably among the greatest GAA stars of the past involved in their programmes. Pat Spillane and Colm O'Rourke are among the best footballers of their generation as well as a super coach in Kevin McStay, you have liam sheedy, tomas mulchay and cyril farrell great hurling analysts and have proven track records in the game. What pundits better than RTE are sky going to get? Between RTE TV and Radio their coverage isn't bad. The only thing Sky will do better is have flasher ads and more beefed up music.
And for the record the subscription to sky sports is €60. You cannot get sky sports without the basic package and throw the sports onto that and it is €60+.

Michel Lyster although he seems like a very nice fella and I'm sure he is is not a very good host, as he never challenges the panelists on the bull crap they spout continuously.

The 3 main football pundits are dreadful due to their endless negativity and endless back in my day things were better type of analysis.In my opinion they are completely out of touch with modern intercounty football


its well known that sky presenters and pundits are the greatest bunch of yes men going. they are hardly like john giles and eamonn dunphy. look at the difference between graham souness when he is on sky and rte. spillane gets serious unfair criticism,a man who played a pivotal role in the greatest football team of all time surely has an opinion of massive value and at least he says what is true. he was spot on about tyrone/armagh style of football. a couple of all-irelands and they were almost tell the rest of us how to play the game.

the gaa are meant to be advocating anti-drinking campaigns but this deal is going to drive people into the pubs.

How was Spillane spot on in his criticism of Tyrone and Armagh's style, it won them all Irelands didn't it.If they adopted Spillanes wish for a complete free for all they probably wouldn't have been so successful.Just because somebody was a great player doesn't mean they are necessarily a great pundit.

At times O'Rourke, Spillane and Brolly look like they would rather be anywhere else in the world expect being at the matches they are being paid to watch.The whole point of the pre-match build up should be to try and entice people to watch the upcoming match however with the 3 above they seem at times to want to turn people off watching the games.

The best pundits on RTE tend to be the newer pundits or people like McStay who are currently involved in football at a high level, they actually have some sort of enthusiasm for the game which ye 3 main pundits lack.Its very hard to listen to someone whinge and complain about the game the whole time and I honestly don't know why RTE have put up with it from them for so long.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 29/03/2014 19:53:36    1566717

Delighted this is going to happen, RTE has done a shocking job at promoting Gaelic Games in this country, cherry picking the money making games, its a public service broadcaster but it has been working the same way sky operates, it has bullied the GAA into certain deals in the past using public opinion. You can not have a public service broadcasters selling ad space and expect a public service.

TG4 deserves credit here as it gives decent coverage of most games including delayed highlights but I can only see sky coming in as a good thing.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 30/03/2014 14:32:08    1566956

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Delighted this is going to happen, RTE has done a shocking job at promoting Gaelic Games in this country, cherry picking the money making games, its a public service broadcaster but it has been working the same way sky operates, it has bullied the GAA into certain deals in the past using public opinion. You can not have a public service broadcasters selling ad space and expect a public service.

TG4 deserves credit here as it gives decent coverage of most games including delayed highlights but I can only see sky coming in as a good thing.

+1

we would be lost without TG4 coverage of League/Club Championship.

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 30/03/2014 14:38:42    1566960