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Probably because they've left it all on the pitch. If you want stand-up comedy, watch reruns of Dave Allen on Youtube.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 16/07/2023 13:48:11 2494769 Link 5 |
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Kerry it is :) jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 16/07/2023 19:32:17 2494893 Link 4 |
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Just going to pitch it.. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/07/2023 16:49:17 2495469 Link 3 |
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What's wrong with Fitzy? I'd have Howard sweep. 9 times out of 10 Clifford is going to pick the ball up on the right wing, check inside, wrong foot his marker and clip over with his left. Stop supply to him and if he does get the ball, show him the line and keep him on his right foot out on the wing to give time for the sweeper to come over and trap him. Sounds easy but he's the best forward in the game.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 18/07/2023 17:09:58 2495475 Link 5 |
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Dublin management need to get the tape - if it exists - of the Kerry county semi final last year between Daingean and Kerry East. Clifford held scoreless from play by Tom O'Sullivan. Terrible conditions, but shows it can be done! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3501 - 18/07/2023 17:59:24 2495487 Link 4 |
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Don't forget the dummy bounce from Clifford. He uses that a lot to create space. Very intelligent footballer.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2393 - 18/07/2023 18:26:02 2495496 Link 1 |
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I think you take too much from us by taking Howard out of the game if you know what I mean. Clifford is going to kick 5 or 6 in anyways. If we beat Kerry it'll be our forwards that do the business I think. No real point in overly worrying about Clifford, he's just actually too good! MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 18/07/2023 18:56:26 2495498 Link 4 |
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Haha seeing "in anyways" written down is funny. My Dublin wife says that all the time and I've never heard anybody else say it she'll be chuffed!
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 19/07/2023 10:07:12 2495549 Link 1 |
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Yeah keeping Clifford to 4 - 6 is a good day out, he scores much from the advanced mark so that is something i think w ca look at. whether its Howard or Jamsie coming into field in front of him sweeping and Fitzy behind and sandwich him. We've scored 20+ in almost every game, bar Roscommon i think im right in saying. I feel we have goals in us and i think we can keep them out with Cluxton. Discipline is key we cant give them anything or much kickable. Think Kerry will struggle with the pace of our backs, Murch, Lee and maybe Jack - the overloads of our defenders usually got us out in front Vs Kerry in recent games. Hoping for a strong ref as since Tally went in their they will just drag you down high up the pitch if you break. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 19/07/2023 10:28:41 2495558 Link 4 |
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Highlights are on youtube. You're right: Clifford scored the one free. The thing is the conditions were atrocious that day. Should we be praying for a deluge ? I really feel our success in containing Clifford is the key task.. He really is that good, I would be very confident of beating Kerry if we deal with Clifford properly. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 19/07/2023 11:01:50 2495571 Link 5 |
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I honestly think if we can keep Clifford to 8pts or less then we will be verrry close to getting over the line. I'm not sure where another 1-12 is going to come from for them if I'm honest. One positive for me is that our forward line have yet to click into full gear as a complete unit. We've had Collie, Costello shooting the lights out on different days and then Con while being efficient hasn't really opened up yet and hit the form of previous years. Similar for Mannion who doesn't look like he is remotely close to peak form. I wonder is there just one big day bubbling for all of them because if even 3 or 4 hit their stride then I think we can create plenty of goal chances. Obviously a big IF but I tihnk we definitely carry more scoring threat than Kerry outside of Clifford. Midfield battle will be enormous as Fenton has been pretty much taken out of recent games by Jack Barry. I sense Fento has the bit between the teeth this year and will be determined not to let that happen again. So many intriguing battles to look forward to and hoping our defence can hold relatively firm as we can look very porous at times. It is comforting to know we got within a dodgy injury time winner last year of them and have added some serious options since then with Clucko, Jack, Mannion and Con being fit for this one. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 233 - 19/07/2023 11:22:04 2495586 Link 2 |
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I watched it on stream while on Winter break :-) Of course the two Daingean boys had the benefit of marking him in training and it truly was a atrocious day, and I only had to walk 200 yards to pub. Winning point was from some ridiculous distance and ball must have moved about 4 different times in flight! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3501 - 19/07/2023 11:27:43 2495590 Link 2 |
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Clifford didn't score at all in the second half of the all ireland final 2019. Who marked him then?
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 19/07/2023 11:31:07 2495591 Link 1 |
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The same happened in last year's Sigerson final against NUIG, where they held him scoreless from play too. Sean Kelly was doing a bit of a sweeper role, although he got forward a lot too. His clubmate Neil Mulcahy marked Clifford. He got some ball, but got little space and his couple of missed efforts were kicked under pressure. The common denominator between this and the Kerry semi-final was the awful weather. Wet and very windy. A back's best friend. While Clifford will generally cut in on his left, on a dry pitch he has the ability to blow by a player on the outside if the defender commits, as he has the strength and burst of pace to do it. If that happens then a goal is on. It's why his marker will often show him inside and take the lesser of two evils, which is a shot at the posts and a very likely point. If he's one-on-one with a good bit of space, there's very little any defender can do. The key is in denying the space around him with extra bodies so there's no easy ball played in front of him, and even if he does get it, he generally has to lay it off. Derry did this well in the 2nd half on Sunday. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2317 - 19/07/2023 11:54:09 2495596 Link 2 |
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Sssh! Also went a bit quiet when Dublin had upper hand in second half of semi final. Dublin made huge mistake imho of sitting off them for too long last year. Won't happen again I suspect.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3501 - 19/07/2023 11:56:50 2495597 Link 2 |
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Who marked him though? Fitzsimons?
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 19/07/2023 12:26:47 2495604 Link 0 |
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Last year definitely, and almost certain also in 2019 although that full back line moved about a fair bit.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3501 - 19/07/2023 12:56:24 2495612 Link 2 |
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Fitzy marked him in 2019 drawn game and Clifford scored 2pts. Fitzy marked him in the replay and Clifford didn't score from play. That's good going over nearly 2 and a half hours of football. He's capable of doing a job on him but half the battle is stopping the supply. Clifford got a lot more space last year and got 5 from play. Can't remember who picked him up but remember him scoring a couple of long rangers in space. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 19/07/2023 13:38:19 2495628 Link 2 |
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I think Howard has too much to offer going forward to deploy him exclusively on DC. I think Mick Fitz should be able for it with the assistance of say Howard to win breaking ball and drive forward. The thing is to stop him making those offensive marks. I hate them. You wouldn't mind somebody like Jack Barry fielding as his shooting isn't great but Clifford knows when he is within range and he nearly has one hand up as soon as he catches the ball. A lethal weapon to have. I am actually hoping for a deluge that day to make fielding as difficult as possible. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 19/07/2023 13:42:47 2495630 Link 3 |
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Did Johnny Cooper not get sent off marking him in the drawn game in 2019.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2393 - 19/07/2023 14:05:06 2495641 Link 0 |