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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "Must be great to year after year not worry about being relegated.
Makes Andy a top manager having helped leitrim navigate relegation this year and next."
Well there isn't any relegation from division four do ya see, as there are only four divisions in the football league, not that hard to fathom really, but we'll give you help with some maths anyway. Strange to keep a manager who consistently has a team relegated also isn't it?

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 28/03/2022 10:02:48    2407641

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Not much heart to be taken from three Connacht teams in div 1 now when Galway and Roscommon as usual will be relegated next year. Debatable whether he is doing a good job or not, not getting promoted has him at D- territory now."
Every chance all three will stay up next year..a party from Kerry nothing to fear from any team ..

spion7 (Roscommon) - Posts: 34 - 28/03/2022 10:33:46    2407654

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Replying To spion7:  "Every chance all three will stay up next year..a party from Kerry nothing to fear from any team .."
Ah youse will make a good effort at it as always I have no doubt, but with the benefit of speaking wisdom and analysing it, youse just aren't good enough to be up with the top boys consistently, but that is a conversation for your own thread. But I think I would give a good Mayo man like Andy another year to get his feet under him in the managerial role.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 28/03/2022 11:11:57    2407678

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Ah youse will make a good effort at it as always I have no doubt, but with the benefit of speaking wisdom and analysing it, youse just aren't good enough to be up with the top boys consistently, but that is a conversation for your own thread. But I think I would give a good Mayo man like Andy another year to get his feet under him in the managerial role."
Up and down league for ye. The win against Tipp obviously the highlight. Andy deserves another year alright. London next could be tricky if Beirne is out. Anyone actually know what he is meant to have done?

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 953 - 28/03/2022 11:52:37    2407697

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Well there isn't any relegation from division four do ya see, as there are only four divisions in the football league, not that hard to fathom really, but we'll give you help with some maths anyway. Strange to keep a manager who consistently has a team relegated also isn't it?"
Oh that's how it works.
So it's likely leitrim are the most un relegated team in the history of the league.
Or you can look at them been the strongest team in the league because they hold everyone else up.
Oh thanks for the clarification.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1661 - 28/03/2022 12:24:44    2407718

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Replying To spion7:  "Every chance all three will stay up next year..a party from Kerry nothing to fear from any team .."
With kentuckytucky track record on predictions Galway and Roscommon will likely stay up.

He predicted Meath, Down, Derry and Clare to beat us by 6 points and that Galway would win by 8 yesterday. Talk about letting his heart rule his head.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3160 - 28/03/2022 12:58:27    2407736

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "Oh that's how it works.
So it's likely leitrim are the most un relegated team in the history of the league.
Or you can look at them been the strongest team in the league because they hold everyone else up.
Oh thanks for the clarification."
And Roscommon must be most relegated. And you are very welcome indeed for the clarification. But there are enough experts on your own thread to put you right in the ways of the workings of the league. Away with you now and discuss how quickly you will be relegated next year and we will discuss here Mayo legend Andy Moran and his future management prospects. Thanks most kindly.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 28/03/2022 13:04:52    2407739

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Anyway back on topic and away from a number of poster trying to derail the thing.
It was a very mixed league indeed, losing three games will not get anyone a promotion, two of them to teams in the same provincial championship is an ominous sign.
We really should be looking to Louth and Limerick as examples of how to progress. Not so long since we bet Louth off the field in the championship and look where they are now.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 28/03/2022 13:37:10    2407752

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Replying To The_analyser:  "With kentuckytucky track record on predictions Galway and Roscommon will likely stay up.

He predicted Meath, Down, Derry and Clare to beat us by 6 points and that Galway would win by 8 yesterday. Talk about letting his heart rule his head."
Begolly you're busy today aren't you. Here's another prediction for you, relegation for Roscommon next year. Now shoo away to your own thread for God sake.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 28/03/2022 13:49:44    2407759

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Sure, it can't work out exactly all the time. But computer algorithms can be easily programmed to allow for the differences when a draw is made. In the top and bottom divisions, from the previous season 6 teams remain in the same place, 4 remain in the middle two, so rotate those fixtures. And there's enough movement year on year between the promoted or relegated sides that they can reverse their fixtures too. It wouldn't be hugely hard to do. And if someone loses out with an away game a few seasons in a row due to a quirk in the system, then place allowances for them to get it at home next time it allows.

Cavan got Kerry at home the 2 years we were in Division 1 recently. I wanted a weekend trip down there! Could have reversed the 2nd one of those..."
Very interesting discussion on home and away games in the League here. I remember a few years ago reading about how Fermanagh had, at that time, played three home and four away games for 7 out of the previous 10 years. That's totally unfair, cos it can only mean other teams are getting more 4-home-game seasons than others. Gaa_lover (USA) made the point about a two-year cycle. I don't know anything about this, and doesn't it fail of the team you're meant to be playing ends up in a different division?

Here's my 2 cents (or euros).

1. A running count should be kept of every county's home vs away games, and when they're planning the fixtures at the start, they should look at the ones whose balance is worst off and give them the four home games. It's not rocket science. "Look, County XYZ have had three more seasons of three home games than they've had of three. That's more than anyone else in the division, so we'll give them four home games this year". Simple. Decide which four teams are getting the four home games and who'll get the away ones.

2. Next you're deciding the individual fixtures, and again you could dip into the history of each fixture and decide. For example, "Counties X and Y are playing. X have had 10 home games over the years against Y and only 8 away games. We'll let Y host this one." Better again, you'd probably simply take all 28 fixtures and sort them by most mismatched in terms of home vs away and decide each one in this way until each county's quota of home or away games is filled. So if, say, A, B, etc to H are in Div 1 and in, say, E vs F, E have been at home three times more than F (and that's more than for any other fixture in that year in that division), then you'd give F that game. Of course you might decide that the same county won't be at home in the same fixture in two consecutive years, fair enough. Of course, it should never get to the stage where some counties get way more home games than others.

One more insane idea: perhaps give counties 3 home, 3 away and 1 neutral game every year. I'm sure Derry vs Cork (next year's Division 2) or Kerry vs Donegal (Div 1) mightn't be the ordeal for fans of one county if it were somewhere midway between the two. You could even have a double header somewhere.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 777 - 28/03/2022 15:38:47    2407801

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Can't see how big a deal home in the league is no offence would ye get a 1000 at a home game and thats not being smart as I see our own crowds have been way down on pre covid.
6000 yesterday but Ild say 3500 were non paying kids.
Town was actually dead before and after the game.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1661 - 28/03/2022 18:42:19    2407866

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For his first league campaign and with no prior intercounty managerial experience Andy has done ok and should lead us into next years campaign. Highlight was obviously Thurles. Great to see Pearce Dolan moving well probably player of the league he's a real maverick. Would like to see us get back to the defensive showing we showed against Cavan seemed to be more structure. Few question marks on some of the players selected in defense and the credentials of our captain. After seeing the roasting a half injured Jack Heslin gave Bruen in championship last year I wouldnt have had him anywhere near the starting team let alone being captain and playing centre back. His clubmates a much more complete defender and footballer after being injured for most of last year he should really be hitting top form in T cup. Hopefully we get a good run in this summer but i cant see us beating London now so hopefully we get a handy draw in tailteann cup otherwise could be a short summer.

southleitrim_mafia (Leitrim) - Posts: 45 - 29/03/2022 10:59:18    2408001

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Replying To southleitrim_mafia:  "For his first league campaign and with no prior intercounty managerial experience Andy has done ok and should lead us into next years campaign. Highlight was obviously Thurles. Great to see Pearce Dolan moving well probably player of the league he's a real maverick. Would like to see us get back to the defensive showing we showed against Cavan seemed to be more structure. Few question marks on some of the players selected in defense and the credentials of our captain. After seeing the roasting a half injured Jack Heslin gave Bruen in championship last year I wouldnt have had him anywhere near the starting team let alone being captain and playing centre back. His clubmates a much more complete defender and footballer after being injured for most of last year he should really be hitting top form in T cup. Hopefully we get a good run in this summer but i cant see us beating London now so hopefully we get a handy draw in tailteann cup otherwise could be a short summer."
Oh ye of little faith. This is a good Leitrim team despite the disappointing result against Sligo. While London will be a challenge we are on balance a better team although I worry about defence. The loss of Keith Beirne is incalculable although a fit again Evan Sweeney is a plus. Remember his man of the match performance against Antrim last year. Conor Dolan is another option and the 2 Cullens, Jack Heslin ,Ryan O'Rourke will pose problems for any defence.A win in Ruislip is a must and the result will define our season.Andy & his management team need to get it right . He has made good selections and subs so far. I wish him well.

leitrimabu1 (Leitrim) - Posts: 88 - 30/03/2022 13:04:24    2408336

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "Can't see how big a deal home in the league is no offence would ye get a 1000 at a home game and thats not being smart as I see our own crowds have been way down on pre covid.
6000 yesterday but Ild say 3500 were non paying kids.
Town was actually dead before and after the game."
Official number was a little under 6,000 that paid to get into Hyde Park on Sunday. U16s got in for free and weren't counted in the attendance figure so it was closer to 8k at the match.

The restaurants (had to queue to get a seat) and pubs was very busy before and after the game. The Hatch was full when i left it at 5:30pm.

Can't speak Leitrim but I'd expect they'd get a lot more than 1,000 at home games especially with the interest in the Andy Moran appointment.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3160 - 30/03/2022 13:52:27    2408364

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Replying To leitrimabu1:  "Oh ye of little faith. This is a good Leitrim team despite the disappointing result against Sligo. While London will be a challenge we are on balance a better team although I worry about defence. The loss of Keith Beirne is incalculable although a fit again Evan Sweeney is a plus. Remember his man of the match performance against Antrim last year. Conor Dolan is another option and the 2 Cullens, Jack Heslin ,Ryan O'Rourke will pose problems for any defence.A win in Ruislip is a must and the result will define our season.Andy & his management team need to get it right . He has made good selections and subs so far. I wish him well."
Keith Beirne would be a huge loss. What chance of appealing the one match ban and downgrading it to a yellow?

London had one of their best ever league campaigns, only one game they weren't competitive in. Ruislip provides a tough challenge and will be even tougher without your best forward.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 631 - 30/03/2022 14:55:52    2408389

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Official number was a little under 6,000 that paid to get into Hyde Park on Sunday. U16s got in for free and weren't counted in the attendance figure so it was closer to 8k at the match.

The restaurants (had to queue to get a seat) and pubs was very busy before and after the game. The Hatch was full when i left it at 5:30pm.

Can't speak Leitrim but I'd expect they'd get a lot more than 1,000 at home games especially with the interest in the Andy Moran appointment."
Can you reply to yourself on your own thread please and leave this one to the Leitrim folk, thanks.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 30/03/2022 16:11:01    2408434

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Can you reply to yourself on your own thread please and leave this one to the Leitrim folk, thanks."
Everyone is free to post on whatever thread they want so long as they don't play the wum with many usernames like you.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3160 - 30/03/2022 16:49:34    2408454

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Replying To Yondu:  "Keith Beirne would be a huge loss. What chance of appealing the one match ban and downgrading it to a yellow?

London had one of their best ever league campaigns, only one game they weren't competitive in. Ruislip provides a tough challenge and will be even tougher without your best forward."
As Beirne got sent off in league, would his suspension not be for the first round of league next year or has it been confirmed for London game?

muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 367 - 30/03/2022 17:07:35    2408465

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Everyone is free to post on whatever thread they want so long as they don't play the wum with many usernames like you."
Two likes already for your comment already? On a thread where likes are in short supply for even the best of posts, curious that isn't it? You are here derailing this thread talking about attendances in hyde field and how many was around the town afterward, it has absolutely nothing to do with Leitrim football and indeed I actually agree with you, anyone should be free to post on other threads, but when someone from another county lands on yours, you start calling them newbies etc. Grow up.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 30/03/2022 17:25:19    2408470

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Everyone is free to post on whatever thread they want so long as they don't play the wum with many usernames like you."
That fool thinks he runs this thread. Better ignored.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 953 - 30/03/2022 17:33:40    2408471

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