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The final round games on Division 4 have been played all at 1pm on the Sunday on numerous occasions when London have been playing away so that they could get home in the past (we've been in this division for long enough to know this). It should have been set for that time the same as every other year so that all games are played at the same time. We had to play away in Waterford at 1pm last game of the league a few years ago because of it.

If they feel playing at 1 doesn't give them enough time to get a flight play the games at midday. It's not that big of a country. That was when our game against them in Carrick was due to be played.

SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 333 - 24/03/2022 17:46:32    2406919

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Timely reminder also that we played Sligo in the league last year in Sligo. Why isn't the fixture in Carrick this year? And when was the Mayo Kildare fixture venue decided to be for Carrick? Leaving aside the fact home advantage is gone (some here don't believe it matters for some reason), think of the gate proceeds that are gone. I doubt the balance will be made up by whatever the county board gets for the Mayo game.

And as an aside isn't it way past time the county board were looking at installing floodlights for Pairc Sean. I understand the costs, but start raising money for them.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 25/03/2022 11:10:19    2406988

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Timely reminder also that we played Sligo in the league last year in Sligo. Why isn't the fixture in Carrick this year? And when was the Mayo Kildare fixture venue decided to be for Carrick? Leaving aside the fact home advantage is gone (some here don't believe it matters for some reason), think of the gate proceeds that are gone. I doubt the balance will be made up by whatever the county board gets for the Mayo game.

And as an aside isn't it way past time the county board were looking at installing floodlights for Pairc Sean. I understand the costs, but start raising money for them."
The previous year's league venue has no bearing on the venue the following year.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4683 - 25/03/2022 11:27:12    2407000

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Timely reminder also that we played Sligo in the league last year in Sligo. Why isn't the fixture in Carrick this year? And when was the Mayo Kildare fixture venue decided to be for Carrick? Leaving aside the fact home advantage is gone (some here don't believe it matters for some reason), think of the gate proceeds that are gone. I doubt the balance will be made up by whatever the county board gets for the Mayo game.

And as an aside isn't it way past time the county board were looking at installing floodlights for Pairc Sean. I understand the costs, but start raising money for them."
The league is a two year cycle, should be two home league games against Sligo next for Leitrim.

December it was decided that Mayo would play their home games in Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2851 - 25/03/2022 11:46:40    2407004

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Replying To cavanman47:  "The previous year's league venue has no bearing on the venue the following year."
It doesn't but it should.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 175 - 26/03/2022 14:45:23    2407189

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Replying To Crossgaa:  "Great choice for Leitrim's young players. He has plenty of experience as a player with Mayo and in time he will learn the management skills. Hopefully Leitrim players will train hard and give their all for Andy and the jersey."
Guys we have been crucified by the fixtures Over the past few years easily over the past seven years we have had 4 away games and 3 home. The one year we had 4 home games and 3 away we got promoted.

Cavan and Tipp both had 4 home games and 3 away this year and looks like they will be promoted tonight. Venue does matter. Here's hoping London do us a favour and a motiveless happens that gives us a shot. Football is a funny old game they say

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 527 - 26/03/2022 18:49:05    2407234

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Results today have rendered the Sligo game a pointless challenge match. Hopefully the lads that haven't got full games so far get a run out for their efforts. The season is done and it can be marked as a dead goose. Another season stuck in div 4.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 26/03/2022 20:48:01    2407258

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Tomorrow's game is a challenge, tipp and cavan promoted

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 300 - 26/03/2022 20:48:51    2407259

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "Guys we have been crucified by the fixtures Over the past few years easily over the past seven years we have had 4 away games and 3 home. The one year we had 4 home games and 3 away we got promoted.

Cavan and Tipp both had 4 home games and 3 away this year and looks like they will be promoted tonight. Venue does matter. Here's hoping London do us a favour and a motiveless happens that gives us a shot. Football is a funny old game they say"
I'm not saying venue doesn't matter, but the 1 game Cavan lost was at home.

We beat Carlow, Wexford and Waterford at home. I'd be fairly confident we'd have beaten all 3 of those away.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4683 - 27/03/2022 10:41:12    2407292

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I was listening to that game on Tipp fm last night and London definitely had chances. There was a 10 minutes spell after half time where they missed a point blank goal chance after route 1 ball into the big full forward and he knock it down to an on coming player. Then a couple of kickable points hit the post or tailed wide and Tipp kept their 5 point lead till the end when they sorted themselves out again. Those chances were converted against us.

It's a shame the last game is dead rubber on a great day for football but hopefully all lads will get a run and good night out tonight before knuckling down again.

Mugatay (Leitrim) - Posts: 116 - 27/03/2022 12:17:45    2407311

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "Guys we have been crucified by the fixtures Over the past few years easily over the past seven years we have had 4 away games and 3 home. The one year we had 4 home games and 3 away we got promoted.

Cavan and Tipp both had 4 home games and 3 away this year and looks like they will be promoted tonight. Venue does matter. Here's hoping London do us a favour and a motiveless happens that gives us a shot. Football is a funny old game they say"
We used to be too. I remember we got 3 home and 4 away many many times. It was the norm for us. And we've started our campaign with an away game something like 13 out of the last 15 seasons or something ridiculous like that. Saying that, we're unusually not a strong team at home. We seem to play better away.

It was odd for ye this year. You lost narrowly to Cavan at home, beat Tipp away, and generally got the other results you needed. Apart from losing to London at home. That's the problem there. Doesn't matter what other games are home or away, win that and it's in your own hands today.

There does need to be some sort of return though. If you're in the same division with a team as last year, they need to as best they can return a fixture (within the confines of the system), and not just have open draw. It should absolutely be a case though if you've 4 away one year, you've 3 the next. It needs to balance to 7 home and 7 away every 2 seasons.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1866 - 27/03/2022 14:04:43    2407324

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Strange game today with nothing to play for. Nevertheless it started off helter skelter and we conceded two identical goals, just by Sligo running up through the middle. A tale as old as time that. Got to grips with the game though, and anytime we got the ball in we caused them all sorts of problems. At the risk of sounding like Arsene Wenger I didn't see what the red card was for, but it was the turning point, kept it organised enough until half time but lost focus/intensity in second half, which was particularly disappointing considering Sligo also lost their best player. Best performer as per last week were Pearse Dolan and Donal Casey, and Ryan O'Rourke was very sharp also. It looks like a strange decision to see Emlyn anytime he comes on, offers very little football wise anymore and taking frees off people and missing them on the near post, and slicing other frees wide off the outside of the boot isn't the kind of leadership you'd hope for.

Most significant thing out of it ultimately could be Keith and Sean Carrabine being suspended for the Connacht Championship game.

MagnumPIG (Leitrim) - Posts: 136 - 27/03/2022 15:58:15    2407349

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "We used to be too. I remember we got 3 home and 4 away many many times. It was the norm for us. And we've started our campaign with an away game something like 13 out of the last 15 seasons or something ridiculous like that. Saying that, we're unusually not a strong team at home. We seem to play better away.

It was odd for ye this year. You lost narrowly to Cavan at home, beat Tipp away, and generally got the other results you needed. Apart from losing to London at home. That's the problem there. Doesn't matter what other games are home or away, win that and it's in your own hands today.

There does need to be some sort of return though. If you're in the same division with a team as last year, they need to as best they can return a fixture (within the confines of the system), and not just have open draw. It should absolutely be a case though if you've 4 away one year, you've 3 the next. It needs to balance to 7 home and 7 away every 2 seasons."
That doesn't work either tho, with promotion and relegation. The 4 who had 4 home games could leave a division and the 4 who replace them could be 'due' 4 home games the next year, along with the 4 who stayed on.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4683 - 27/03/2022 16:02:11    2407351

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Replying To cavanman47:  "That doesn't work either tho, with promotion and relegation. The 4 who had 4 home games could leave a division and the 4 who replace them could be 'due' 4 home games the next year, along with the 4 who stayed on."
Sure, it can't work out exactly all the time. But computer algorithms can be easily programmed to allow for the differences when a draw is made. In the top and bottom divisions, from the previous season 6 teams remain in the same place, 4 remain in the middle two, so rotate those fixtures. And there's enough movement year on year between the promoted or relegated sides that they can reverse their fixtures too. It wouldn't be hugely hard to do. And if someone loses out with an away game a few seasons in a row due to a quirk in the system, then place allowances for them to get it at home next time it allows.

Cavan got Kerry at home the 2 years we were in Division 1 recently. I wanted a weekend trip down there! Could have reversed the 2nd one of those...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1866 - 27/03/2022 16:38:08    2407370

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Great improvement but time is needed. Andy is doing a good job and has his eye an Connacht semi final. It is more difficult to get players fired up in Div 4 where everyone is safe, but in fairness ye would have been safe even if there was a fifth tier. Great heart can be taken by Leitrim and Sligo with 3 teams from Connacht in Div 1 and only 1 each from Leinster and Munster. I can see ye both getting up next year.

Keephimthere (Roscommon) - Posts: 76 - 27/03/2022 16:40:22    2407371

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I'm afraid this campaign has ended in failure and it does show the naivety of Moran as an intercounty manager. However there's no doubt beating Tipperary was the highlight of the campaign but ultimately the failure to get promoted is what is being judged here. Realistically all we can hope for now is a good run in the Tailteann Cup & a 'performance' in the Connacht Semi Final on the assumption we beat London (which I should hope we will....). All said, I would be prepared to give him one more season on the basis that we should be gunning for promotion. I'm not exactly happy that we're not heading to the Clonliffe Road next week but absolutely nothing else will do next year. Considering that Limerick are now heading to Division 2 on the back of two promotions in 3 seasons, there will be no excuses in 2023.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 359 - 27/03/2022 18:26:26    2407455

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Mixed bag of a campaign some good results in places we've struggled to win previously but ultimately were not good enough to win promotion in the end. I'm very disappointed not to have got promotion with a core group of experienced players many of whom got promoted in 2019 and especially after beating Tipperary so convincingly in Thurles . We've been to open at the back and conceded goals and goal chances in every game and it seems to me we just don't have enough natural defenders in the panel and I don't know how we can overcome that. Midfield on its day can be very good more consistency needed though. Upfront you could see how much we rely on Keith Beirne when he went off today other talented forwards that are there really now need to step up now on a consistent basis. Didn't get to game today did Keith deserve the red card? If so he's a massive loss for London makes a difficult game even harder now. It's not easy looking at the our neighbours in division 1 and Longford pulling off a fantastic win to stay in division 3 despite missing loafs of key players while ourselves with more or less our strongest panel available will remain in division 4 for another year. Hopefully Ruislip and tailteann cup will lift the mood a bit would have my doubts though.

JimmyNail (Leitrim) - Posts: 96 - 27/03/2022 19:49:03    2407519

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Replying To Keephimthere:  "Great improvement but time is needed. Andy is doing a good job and has his eye an Connacht semi final. It is more difficult to get players fired up in Div 4 where everyone is safe, but in fairness ye would have been safe even if there was a fifth tier. Great heart can be taken by Leitrim and Sligo with 3 teams from Connacht in Div 1 and only 1 each from Leinster and Munster. I can see ye both getting up next year."
Not much heart to be taken from three Connacht teams in div 1 now when Galway and Roscommon as usual will be relegated next year. Debatable whether he is doing a good job or not, not getting promoted has him at D- territory now.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 27/03/2022 22:02:30    2407604

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "Not much heart to be taken from three Connacht teams in div 1 now when Galway and Roscommon as usual will be relegated next year. Debatable whether he is doing a good job or not, not getting promoted has him at D- territory now."
Must be great to year after year not worry about being relegated.
Makes Andy a top manager having helped leitrim navigate relegation this year and next.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1661 - 28/03/2022 09:21:57    2407624

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Replying To JimmyNail:  "Mixed bag of a campaign some good results in places we've struggled to win previously but ultimately were not good enough to win promotion in the end. I'm very disappointed not to have got promotion with a core group of experienced players many of whom got promoted in 2019 and especially after beating Tipperary so convincingly in Thurles . We've been to open at the back and conceded goals and goal chances in every game and it seems to me we just don't have enough natural defenders in the panel and I don't know how we can overcome that. Midfield on its day can be very good more consistency needed though. Upfront you could see how much we rely on Keith Beirne when he went off today other talented forwards that are there really now need to step up now on a consistent basis. Didn't get to game today did Keith deserve the red card? If so he's a massive loss for London makes a difficult game even harder now. It's not easy looking at the our neighbours in division 1 and Longford pulling off a fantastic win to stay in division 3 despite missing loafs of key players while ourselves with more or less our strongest panel available will remain in division 4 for another year. Hopefully Ruislip and tailteann cup will lift the mood a bit would have my doubts though."
You can rest easy about the neighbours being in div 1, they won't be there long as usual.

kentuckytucky (USA) - Posts: 207 - 28/03/2022 09:59:49    2407640

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