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To be honest, I would rather they were pucking ball down on a half back line of Foley, O'Hanlon and Flood than giving it to Eoghan O'Donnell who pops it over McDonald's head or runs straight through for a give and go before giving it in to a man in space.
Our half back line are well able to win 50-50 battles and 2 of them are very good in the air, Flood might be the weakest in the air but he'll get a hurl to it or stop the opponent from catching it and then it is up to the rest of them to mop up the loose ball. O'Keefe and McGovern were not prominent enough at this. Our half forward line aren't good ball winners but I really see zero point in gifting teams 40+ yards of the pitch.
Now that the U20's have lost Pepper I would expect us to be using him for more than a cameo appearance. Were in for a penny in for a pound, the team I would start at the weekend is
1. - 7. as last week
8. O'Keefe
9. Dunbar
10. Hearne
11. McGovern
12. Banville
13. O'Connor
14. McDonald
15. Pepper
If either Jacko or Chin fit I would start them centre forward.
We need to build for the future and if that team can't beat Laois then at very least we are looking to the future.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "To be honest, I would rather they were pucking ball down on a half back line of Foley, O'Hanlon and Flood than giving it to Eoghan O'Donnell who pops it over McDonald's head or runs straight through for a give and go before giving it in to a man in space.
Our half back line are well able to win 50-50 battles and 2 of them are very good in the air, Flood might be the weakest in the air but he'll get a hurl to it or stop the opponent from catching it and then it is up to the rest of them to mop up the loose ball. O'Keefe and McGovern were not prominent enough at this. Our half forward line aren't good ball winners but I really see zero point in gifting teams 40+ yards of the pitch.
Now that the U20's have lost Pepper I would expect us to be using him for more than a cameo appearance. Were in for a penny in for a pound, the team I would start at the weekend is
1. - 7. as last week
8. O'Keefe
9. Dunbar
10. Hearne
11. McGovern
12. Banville
13. O'Connor
14. McDonald
15. Pepper
If either Jacko or Chin fit I would start them centre forward.
We need to build for the future and if that team can't beat Laois then at very least we are looking to the future." Still a good team Storeystash. Agree Banville has to start. Think he might suit modern senior intercounty better than Casey. But we need to start a freetaker. There'd be goals in that team if we gave the inside forwards the right ball. How would you work our puckouts?
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Replying To Viking66: "Still a good team Storeystash. Agree Banville has to start. Think he might suit modern senior intercounty better than Casey. But we need to start a freetaker. There'd be goals in that team if we gave the inside forwards the right ball. How would you work our puckouts?" Let Gypo take the puck outs.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 27/04/2022 17:44:28
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Replying To Viking66: "We have to design our current puckout strategy around no aerial ballwinning forwards except possibly Mac with Chin injured. We can't target any of the other 6 forwards apart from playing it into the corners for Rory. We are doing both those things already.
Im not sure about conceding the short puckouts myself but the flipside of that is that we have actually defended the resulting long ball up the pitch very well. We have only conceded 1 goal which didn't come from conceding a short puckout anyway. How do you suggest we change it?" Saturday it looked like the half forwards were trying to create space, both were standing on the sidelines with O. Foley pulling the Dublin centre back to one side or the other.
But the puckouts kept coming down on top of the half forwards a couple of feet in from the sideline, while there was acres of space created to play the ball long and on a lower trajectory into that space.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 27/04/2022 17:50:38
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Replying To Viking66: "If we had the 8 lads who are missing injured or travelling from last year we could've lined out against Dublin as follows-
Fanning
S Reck
Jippo
MOH
P Foley
D Reck
Murphy
Dee
Liam og
Flood
Chin
Morris
Dwyer
Mac
Rory
Bench-
Lawlor
Kevin Foley
Jacko
Dunbar
Bailey
Nolan
Donohue
Devitt
Joe O Connor
O Foley
Mcguckin
That 26 would have 4 points up now. If you leave out the lads who went travelling you could add Hearne and Dunne off last weekends bench to the bench without weakening it too much.
Think you are being hard on Egan." Maybe I am being hard on him.
It's not even necessarily a personnel issue so much as attitude and confidence.
I think this is achieved by being extremely well drilled.
You repeat it until it's perfect, then repeat it again until you can't get it wrong.
Our body language is showing a lack of understanding that we haven't had since 17/18.
I do accept that's quite a change in the panel though.
Shaun Murphy probably our most underrated player.
I'm also a huge fan of Paul Morris. He's averaged 3 points a game for Wexford since under 14 which is quite incredible.
He's unbelievably good at taking chances with barely any ball and if he was fit to come on for ten minutes we'd have beaten Dublin.
All that aside, jippos indecision at the end was a huge lack of leadership from one of our marquee players when we badly needed him...
I think that illustrates the point. I'm not convinced that the players believe in the set up which doesn't bode well
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Team I would start v Laois
Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Reck P Foley Flood
K Foley Dee
JOC O Foley Hearne
ROC Mac Dunbar
Recent results vs Kilkenny
2017 - Wexford Win Home
2018 - 1 point loss Away
2019 - draw home and Wexford win Croke Park
2020 - Covid
2021 - draw Croke Park ( KK win AET)
Very little between the two teams in championship in recent years. Shout for Kilkenny vs Galway and Dublin and hope we can turn over an under strength Kilkenny side in Nowlan Park and have a proper crack at them in Leinster final hopefully with Chin and a few others back
For now it's all about getting the best score difference we can
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Replying To WEX98: "Saturday it looked like the half forwards were trying to create space, both were standing on the sidelines with O. Foley pulling the Dublin centre back to one side or the other.
But the puckouts kept coming down on top of the half forwards a couple of feet in from the sideline, while there was acres of space created to play the ball long and on a lower trajectory into that space." Yes I noticed that. Thought Rory ran back well into that space but we could've mixed it up more. Flood and P Foley could've sometimes broke forwards into that space. Or Dee and Liam og. Both midfielders are noticeably doing alot less running under Egan than Davy. Lower ball also suits Mac better I think.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16823 - 28/04/2022 09:24:06
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Maybe I am being hard on him.
It's not even necessarily a personnel issue so much as attitude and confidence.
I think this is achieved by being extremely well drilled.
You repeat it until it's perfect, then repeat it again until you can't get it wrong.
Our body language is showing a lack of understanding that we haven't had since 17/18.
I do accept that's quite a change in the panel though.
Shaun Murphy probably our most underrated player.
I'm also a huge fan of Paul Morris. He's averaged 3 points a game for Wexford since under 14 which is quite incredible.
He's unbelievably good at taking chances with barely any ball and if he was fit to come on for ten minutes we'd have beaten Dublin.
All that aside, jippos indecision at the end was a huge lack of leadership from one of our marquee players when we badly needed him...
I think that illustrates the point. I'm not convinced that the players believe in the set up which doesn't bode well" Maybe you are right. Maybe they aren't used to it yet. Especially the backs who don't have Kevin backing them up to make 2 on 1s like they got under Davy. Might explain Jippos loss of form this season too. Hopefully it will improve over time as they get more used to it. We are only 4 months into the season when you think about it. Think Murphy, S.Reck, Chin, would have been defo starters this year in the 2 games if fully fit. Probably Morris, maybe Bailey too. Jacko would definitely have come on against Dublin too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16823 - 28/04/2022 09:29:03
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I don't think our own puck outs are a major problem once we don't lump it down to forwards who cant win it.
I didn't look at the Dublin game again but just like Waterford and Galway games, all the problems started with giving them their puckouts and the fact that they used the ball better. Our backs were under pressure straight away every time.
I would love to hear from Daire Egan what the thinking is on the puckouts. I know it is club level but for me and most other players when the opposition has the ball you make life hard for them. I didn't see our forwards hassling last weekend and because of that, Dublin quickly found out we were not up for it.
On a side note, it is also worth a shout out to James Owens who did a great job on the Tipp Clare match. After being hung out to dry by the GAA last year, there wasn't any major complaints about his handling of the game on Sunday around us at the match and he got all the big decisions spot on.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 28/04/2022 09:43:11
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Replying To Yellow: "Team I would start v Laois
Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Reck P Foley Flood
K Foley Dee
JOC O Foley Hearne
ROC Mac Dunbar
Recent results vs Kilkenny
2017 - Wexford Win Home
2018 - 1 point loss Away
2019 - draw home and Wexford win Croke Park
2020 - Covid
2021 - draw Croke Park ( KK win AET)
Very little between the two teams in championship in recent years. Shout for Kilkenny vs Galway and Dublin and hope we can turn over an under strength Kilkenny side in Nowlan Park and have a proper crack at them in Leinster final hopefully with Chin and a few others back
For now it's all about getting the best score difference we can" Let's see after Sundays results are how good or bad kilkenny are have only been laois and westmeath so far so no real test yet to be fair we have 2 big test over us table could look a lot different in a few weeks time.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 410 - 28/04/2022 09:46:44
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Replying To Yellow: "Team I would start v Laois
Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Reck P Foley Flood
K Foley Dee
JOC O Foley Hearne
ROC Mac Dunbar
Recent results vs Kilkenny
2017 - Wexford Win Home
2018 - 1 point loss Away
2019 - draw home and Wexford win Croke Park
2020 - Covid
2021 - draw Croke Park ( KK win AET)
Very little between the two teams in championship in recent years. Shout for Kilkenny vs Galway and Dublin and hope we can turn over an under strength Kilkenny side in Nowlan Park and have a proper crack at them in Leinster final hopefully with Chin and a few others back
For now it's all about getting the best score difference we can" Would agree with everything you said there . Next 2 games is about building mometum and confidence ahead of the Kilkenny game. I think if we get our strongest 15 on the pitch we have a chance. The lads just need to get their form and confidence back in the next 2 games . All is not lost and we are capable of winning our last 3 games
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 28/04/2022 10:02:38
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Replying To Yellow: "Team I would start v Laois
Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Reck P Foley Flood
K Foley Dee
JOC O Foley Hearne
ROC Mac Dunbar
Recent results vs Kilkenny
2017 - Wexford Win Home
2018 - 1 point loss Away
2019 - draw home and Wexford win Croke Park
2020 - Covid
2021 - draw Croke Park ( KK win AET)
Very little between the two teams in championship in recent years. Shout for Kilkenny vs Galway and Dublin and hope we can turn over an under strength Kilkenny side in Nowlan Park and have a proper crack at them in Leinster final hopefully with Chin and a few others back
For now it's all about getting the best score difference we can" Good positive post and team selection fair play to ya Yellow!
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I do love the optimism, but we have to consider Kilkenny's mindset too. Who would they rather play in the Leinster final? Their neighbours, guaranteed to get a huge following and bouyed by recent head-to-head results, Galway or Dublin? I'd say if they could avoid Galway they will try to do so, while I feel Dublin are actually the physically nearest to Limerick outside of Munster and may ruffle a few feathers yet.
It is also worth remembering that Cody historically wants to go out to win every game, and has rarely lost in Nowlan Park in championship. While they could be through by then, I can't see him going with too inexperienced a team either.
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Replying To Viking66: "Good positive post and team selection fair play to ya Yellow!" Fanning
K. Foley, Ryan, Devitt
Flood Reck JOC
Dee, Donohoe
O. Foley, P. Foley, Dunbarr
ROC, Mac, Hearne
Yes, I haven't mixed up my Foleys!!
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K. Foley, Ryan, Devitt
Flood Reck JOC
Dee, Donohoe
O. Foley, P. Foley, Dunbarr
ROC, Mac, Hearne
Yes, I haven't mixed up my Foleys!!" Yes I'd love to see that half forward line - with Chin in there
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 28/04/2022 11:17:51
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Lads talking about banville to start,on what basis does he get the opportunity to start,if he was any good he would have got game time in league and also if he was a good free taker he would have been playing in the league, he would offer very little in my mind!!! hes not good under pressure very average at U20 at frees also!!! Chin is our free taker end of and if he can hurl for 20 mins and train which he is doin then he should start,we need him and we have no ball winning capacity without him!!!we won't have it easy up in portlaois either but we will beat Westmeath!!!think Kilkenny will beat us they want to keep us down!!!
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Replying To beano: "I do love the optimism, but we have to consider Kilkenny's mindset too. Who would they rather play in the Leinster final? Their neighbours, guaranteed to get a huge following and bouyed by recent head-to-head results, Galway or Dublin? I'd say if they could avoid Galway they will try to do so, while I feel Dublin are actually the physically nearest to Limerick outside of Munster and may ruffle a few feathers yet.
It is also worth remembering that Cody historically wants to go out to win every game, and has rarely lost in Nowlan Park in championship. While they could be through by then, I can't see him going with too inexperienced a team either." He won't. And anyone picked will want to keep their place. But he didn't want to draw or lose the other games over the last 5 years either.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16823 - 28/04/2022 11:44:34
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Replying To WEX98: "Fanning
K. Foley, Ryan, Devitt
Flood Reck JOC
Dee, Donohoe
O. Foley, P. Foley, Dunbarr
ROC, Mac, Hearne
Yes, I haven't mixed up my Foleys!!" Donohue has a great engine and played well enough against Dublin might work midfield. Paudie I'm nearly sure has played centre forward before for Crossabeg but I'm not 100 percent sure. I'd be worried about Kevin in the corner tbh. Be a great distributor of a ball from a short puckout but maybe not dirty/cute/sticky enough to be a defensive cornerback. And if I was playing Hearne I'm not sure cornerforward would be where I'd put him though he did score a great point from out on the sideline against Kilkenny in the Walsh Cup in an otherwise forgettable outing. That's definitely a left field lineup Wex98!!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16823 - 28/04/2022 11:50:25
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Replying To theboys: "Lads talking about banville to start,on what basis does he get the opportunity to start,if he was any good he would have got game time in league and also if he was a good free taker he would have been playing in the league, he would offer very little in my mind!!! hes not good under pressure very average at U20 at frees also!!! Chin is our free taker end of and if he can hurl for 20 mins and train which he is doin then he should start,we need him and we have no ball winning capacity without him!!!we won't have it easy up in portlaois either but we will beat Westmeath!!!think Kilkenny will beat us they want to keep us down!!!" Banville was good on the frees any game I saw him. Fitzgibbon this year, 2019 in Tullamore at u20 and the final in the Park that year against Kilkenny. I missed the u20 game in 2020 against Dublin but didn't hear he missed many there either. Was a December game in Carlow!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16823 - 28/04/2022 12:11:32
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Replying To theboys: "Lads talking about banville to start,on what basis does he get the opportunity to start,if he was any good he would have got game time in league and also if he was a good free taker he would have been playing in the league, he would offer very little in my mind!!! hes not good under pressure very average at U20 at frees also!!! Chin is our free taker end of and if he can hurl for 20 mins and train which he is doin then he should start,we need him and we have no ball winning capacity without him!!!we won't have it easy up in portlaois either but we will beat Westmeath!!!think Kilkenny will beat us they want to keep us down!!!" If he can only hurl for 20mins he should not start to do so would be complete nuts. I think it's clear from one poster here that he will not be playing a full game this year and will be used off the bench as what happened in the previous games.
Most people bar yourself clearly would recognise Banville as one of the best freetakers in the county including taking penalties. Chin can be the best freetaker in the world but he won't be putting them over from the subs bench. Banville has been in the subs, so why have him him there at all if he is as bad as you make out. We are already carrying a couple of forwards who have contributed little and who cannot, take frees. Nobody is suggesting that he will change much in general play but that didn't cost us last weekend.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2038 - 28/04/2022 12:50:54
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