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2022 Wexford Intercounty Hurling

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I don't have Sky Sports so can't watch it back this time but my opinion throughout was Dublin just wanted it more.
I try to be positive as well as what can we do only keep going but I think team selection was poor as was player performance and just not taking chances at inter county level is not good enough."
Agreed. And it's the inconsistency that must be so headwrecking for management. Especially with the shooting. All these lads from 1-15 are well able to take points and have proved it at intercounty level. The last play against Dublin summed it up. Liam Ryan has scored numerous points from far further out than where he handpassed to Pepper from.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 26/04/2022 18:35:25    2413432

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Replying To zinny:  "I think the question around a free taker is a big one. Lets face it Mac is in there for his goal threat but if that doesn't happen then you would say at times he doesn't contribute much else - ROC may not score for the whole game from play but what he does in that forward line is huge, so do you carry a goal threat but not a free taker? Banville is not the quickest either but from what I have seen of him in Club hurling he works hard and couldn't be much worse than what is in there - if he is that much worse, why have him in the subs in the first place. If the plan is always to bring on Chin in the second half all you are gambling on is 35-40mins? that perhaps makes too much sense!
Anyway I cannot see us winning in NP without Chin but not just because of the frees, from 2019 we have not brough in any standout players or any workhorses with physicality. We still remain a light team around the middle 3rd which is where Chin is needed. Kilkenny in NP will be ravenous and I feal we could end the season on very poor note,"
Definitely Zinny. That hunger Kilkenny bring is the only reason Limerick aren't going for 5 in a row. And it's not about hurling skill or size as such. Cork have skilful hurlers and Galway have big men. Neither have come close to beating this Limerick team like Kilkenny did in 2019. There's no reason why our lads can't match that. Most of them have played on Wexford teams that have beaten Kilkenny teams over the last 10 years. We do raise our game against them and that's the only thing giving me hope we might qualify for the AI series this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 26/04/2022 18:40:33    2413435

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I don't think I've seen a black card issued yet in hurling this year, in either league or championship.

Isn't it suposed to be when somebody is fouled when he has a clear goalscoring chance inside the 20m line? So surely the foul that led to the penalty should have been a black card anyway, since Rory was in on goal otherwise?"
I think there was one in the antrim down game in joe mcdonagh cup but in general no there isn't. Is it gone or what is the story have referees given up on them. O donnell and o Callaghan should have received black cards.

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 370 - 27/04/2022 07:34:30    2413476

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Listening to the hurling podcast this morning Ryan O Dwyer made a good point. We have been far too predictable everything seems to be route one to Mac and Rory. I would like to see a mix of the running game and balls into space to the two lads on Sunday . We just have to stop conceding the puck outs aswell as teams are finding it so easy to work the ball out .

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 27/04/2022 09:20:34    2413488

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There was 1 in the Galway Westmeath game. For me, if a forward gets around you and heads for goal, if you take him down it is a black card.
Tipp is a great county for rumours but heard yesterday through gf that Bonner is done already and they want Daire Egan next year.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 27/04/2022 09:42:18    2413500

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Listening to the hurling podcast this morning Ryan O Dwyer made a good point. We have been far too predictable everything seems to be route one to Mac and Rory. I would like to see a mix of the running game and balls into space to the two lads on Sunday . We just have to stop conceding the puck outs aswell as teams are finding it so easy to work the ball out ."
That's the problem when you have only 2 scoring forwards. Chin's restricted playing timehas been a massive blow and as was said earlier in the week Paul Morris always contributed a few scores.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 27/04/2022 10:01:18    2413509

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "There was 1 in the Galway Westmeath game. For me, if a forward gets around you and heads for goal, if you take him down it is a black card.
Tipp is a great county for rumours but heard yesterday through gf that Bonner is done already and they want Daire Egan next year."
Egan would jump at it. However, word on the ground in Japan, which is usually far more reliable than word on the ground in Wexford about all things hurling, is that it's Darren Gleason they want, not Daire Egan.

That'd make a lot more sense, too.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2358 - 27/04/2022 10:01:41    2413510

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Listening to the hurling podcast this morning Ryan O Dwyer made a good point. We have been far too predictable everything seems to be route one to Mac and Rory. I would like to see a mix of the running game and balls into space to the two lads on Sunday . We just have to stop conceding the puck outs aswell as teams are finding it so easy to work the ball out ."
100%

It makes no sense. Other teams concede the puck out but the minute its pucked out they put pressure on, its senseless. We invite pressure straight on and give the opposition a chance to land balls directly into our danger area.

Yep we have extra players back and in theory crowd it out and clear it, but to who? drive it into Mac and Rory who are already outnumbered because we conceded the puck out in the first place. Its not the 1st phase from the puck out thats the problem its the 2nd phase when we clear it and it comes straight back.

Im sorry but i dont see a game plan other than get it to Rory and Mac and see what happens, games moved on past that approach, in fact it moved on past that approach 20 years ago!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1544 - 27/04/2022 10:08:01    2413516

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Any news on Jack O Connors injury? Surely we will make 3 or 4 changes for Sunday . Chin must start anyway"
We dont need Chin or O'Connor v Laois or Westmeath two very poor teams who should be in the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Only thing that can come from those two games for any team is injuries.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 27/04/2022 10:57:53    2413537

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Is there any hope of Shane Reck being back for the Kilkenny game ? Would be big boost to have him fully fit. Giving us the option of pushing Conall Flood up to midfield or half forward line too

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 27/04/2022 10:58:05    2413539

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I pointed out immediately after the game how I couldn't fathom how there wasn't a couple of black cards handed out vs Dublin. The very first one after the break when O'Callaghan hauled down Rory who had made a beeline towards the goal inside 30 metres was text-book. I know it was that close in because Rory missed the subsequent free and it stands out as his most glaring mis-cue.

Hurling is odd. They seem to introduce new rules to be seen to be adapting to whatever the in vogue issue is, but at the same time aren't inclined to implement the same rules consistently. It's as if they are afraid to admit there are faults in this hollowed game.

For example, last year there were heaps of black cards early on. Owens then gave a controversial one in the Clare-Tipp game (which was referred to in the build-up to last weekend's rematch), and I don't recall another one being produced for the rest of the campaign. Any of significance certainly. Cop out by refs. It's clear this season already that they are coming down hard on the throw-pass, but I can almost guarantee if there looks like a throw in the build-up to a huge goal later in the year, at say All-Ireland semi-final or final stage, no ref will have the cojones to pull it back.

The reluctance to brandish black cards, along with the constant grabbing of the arm of players in possession that seem to go unpunished, are my two biggest pet peeves at the minute. Head-high challenges probably aren't as frequently met with red cards as they were when that was the focus of attention any more either. I also think rucks around the breaking ball need to be addressed, although no obvious remedy to it. Dublin actually used it as a time-wasting tactic in injury-time Saturday. The throw-pass is way down the list of issues in the game if you ask me.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 27/04/2022 10:58:29    2413540

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Egan would jump at it. However, word on the ground in Japan, which is usually far more reliable than word on the ground in Wexford about all things hurling, is that it's Darren Gleason they want, not Daire Egan.

That'd make a lot more sense, too."
Overdoing the evening saki again Mr Young?! I'd say Liam Cahill is still the man they want.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 27/04/2022 11:52:19    2413558

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "We dont need Chin or O'Connor v Laois or Westmeath two very poor teams who should be in the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Only thing that can come from those two games for any team is injuries."
We need to have better scoring difference than the Dubs, KK, and Galway?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 27/04/2022 11:53:25    2413559

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Is there any hope of Shane Reck being back for the Kilkenny game ? Would be big boost to have him fully fit. Giving us the option of pushing Conall Flood up to midfield or half forward line too"
Don't think so

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16782 - 27/04/2022 11:53:39    2413561

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Replying To Viking66:  "We need to have better scoring difference than the Dubs, KK, and Galway?"
Agree 100% we need to attack these next 2 games . We need to start building good patterns of play , likes of Chin and Jacko need to be sharp and we need to build confidence before we go play Kilkenny in what is do or die for us

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 27/04/2022 12:13:42    2413569

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "We dont need Chin or O'Connor v Laois or Westmeath two very poor teams who should be in the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Only thing that can come from those two games for any team is injuries."
So we just turn up on Sunday and win. It's going to be that easy? Laois can pull out a performance just like last year v Waterford and it could be a very uncomfortable afternoon. The way we're playing at the moment I'd take nothing for granted especially if Laois have a few of their injured guys back.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 27/04/2022 12:32:34    2413576

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Replying To Viking66:  "Don't think so"
It was a bad hamstring tear.

8-10 weeks I was told

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 975 - 27/04/2022 12:36:57    2413578

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Replying To Viking66:  "We need to have better scoring difference than the Dubs, KK, and Galway?"
Exactly we need our best players on the pitch and we need goals. Also need a consistent free taker on the field as well I hope to god management see this.

Kilkenny beating Galway would be a good result for us as well and would set up an all or nothing against Kilkenny in Nowlan park assuming we beat Laois and Westmeath.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 27/04/2022 12:39:55    2413580

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "We dont need Chin or O'Connor v Laois or Westmeath two very poor teams who should be in the Joe McDonagh Cup.
Only thing that can come from those two games for any team is injuries."
Westmeath yes, but Laois only lost to Dublin by 2pts so Laois are definitely not a very poor team.

Laois have good hurlers.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 975 - 27/04/2022 12:50:45    2413584

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Replying To Viking66:  "Don't think so"
What I find really wrong is our manager has not spoken now for 3 or 4 matches after any of our games, it's ridiculous. He needs to address local media at least. Injury, why we are not pushing up on opposition puck out, why he went with the same half forward line against dublin, why our tactics are so poor, why rory wasnt brought outto at least the half forward line for ten minutes in the second half with the wind or why matt wasn't moved off his man, when all dublin scores came from that side etc etc.. all needed to be addressed in my opinion.

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 27/04/2022 13:07:56    2413595

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