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Replying To Viking66: "At least 18 Larry prob around 22 with shots dropped short." Wide count was 18 of us and 16 Waterford i read.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 28/03/2022 20:36:49
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Replying To Viking66: "Exactly my feeling. Halfback line and half forward line likely to be very different come championship and the middle 3rd is where any game is won or lost these days. Hope your clubman Shane is back for some of the games too. I think he would be our best man for Dessie Hutchinson if we meet them again in the All Ireland series . Certainly Simon wasnt the man for him although he had to face him 2 on 1 alot of the time as our half forwards weren't tracking back. Tbh we looked leggy all over the pitch and the players and management looked relaxed after the game. It was like they weren't too bothered about losing that game and tbh neither am I." While Wexford were off the pace, it was impossible for the backs, Waterford came in waves at them, our fowards and midfield didn't track their runners or pressure their backs, it's lack of basic work rate.
We continued to allow the Waterford fullback line carry the ball from short puckouts and easily find a Waterford man with a 40 yard pass. There was a number of times that Waterford had a shot for a point after the second pass from the puckout. I was surprised that we didn't force them to go long on occasions or push up and man mark their sweeper, it was an opportunity to try out a few things.
On our puckouts, we continued to play the sidelines, very easy for the opposition to defend. When we went long our 10, 11 and 12 stood in their positions, no movement. Our half forwards were always standing under the dropping ball, also much easier to defend. When Chin came on he was an option for the puckouts but he stood on the edge of the small square.
While we might not have been overly interested in winning yesterday, there is a responsibility for the promotion of the game.
My own philosophy is to win every game, the great Kilkenny team knocked lumps out of each other during training matches.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 546 - 28/03/2022 21:00:12
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Hope Gleeson's card is not overturned, as this sneaky pettiness has no place in hurling. And for anyone saying he is paying for past behaviour, thems the breaks for being dirty in the past...a class player, but some of his past antics for club and county were shocking.
Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 45 - 28/03/2022 21:21:38
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Any word on mac injury?
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 28/03/2022 21:22:19
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Replying To Canuck: "Fair assessment. Not excusing Gleeson b.s. either but everyone wants him punished for his past. Even though he has behaved for three years but gets provoked. I now understand better how it works. Cahill went to see Keenan after the game. Keenan said they are told to act on the umpires instructions. Not opinion anything else instructions. So if Gleeson elbow was broken and the umpire did not call any thing there would be just one red card. In this case he did not call the "tip" on Gleeson which I don't believe was much either. These guys who cannot see if the ball went between the posts have that authority ? It did not matter what O"Donaghue said after the fact the ref had no option. He should be ashamed of himself for his part in it. You great Wexford people should be as mad at him for a poke dished out 100 times a game as we are at Gleeson. This type of poke is on view every day before the ball is thrown in and that is fact." Are you actually trying to defend Austin Gleeson? As a Waterford man you know what he's like. On and off the pitch. Time to take the tinted glasses off now and call it as is.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 29/03/2022 09:18:59
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Replying To hunting: "Any word on mac injury?" Heard on Off The Ball this morning Lee Chin is now a doubt for the Galway game due to a reoccurrence of a hamstring injury . Did anyone hear anything about this? I would suspect the knee is still the issue.
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 29/03/2022 09:38:29
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Austin Gleeson can have no complaints at all. He aimed the butt of the hurl at Simon Donohues privates and hit him. In fairness to Donahue i'd say it was a natural reaction to go down the way he did as any man who has been unfortunate enough to get a belt there will tell you.
TJ Ryan defending him on Daly's podcast as well is disappointing. I'm all for keeping the game physical but that type of thing has no part to play in modern hurling thank god. Eoin Cadogan called him out on it rightly.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 29/03/2022 09:49:36
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Replying To Afinestick: "Heard on Off The Ball this morning Lee Chin is now a doubt for the Galway game due to a reoccurrence of a hamstring injury . Did anyone hear anything about this? I would suspect the knee is still the issue." Just read that here too https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/fresh-injury-scare-leaves-lee-chin-a-doubt-for-leinster-championship-41497396.html
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 29/03/2022 09:57:15
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Replying To wexico15: "Just read that here too https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/fresh-injury-scare-leaves-lee-chin-a-doubt-for-leinster-championship-41497396.html" All in all the league semi final has been a disaster…. a hammering together with what looked like a serious injury to Conor Mac (on the basis he had to be helped leave the pitch)and now chin's injury. I'm beginning to doubt whether we'll see him involved in the championship if it's the knee issue again
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 29/03/2022 10:09:23
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Replying To Afinestick: "Heard on Off The Ball this morning Lee Chin is now a doubt for the Galway game due to a reoccurrence of a hamstring injury . Did anyone hear anything about this? I would suspect the knee is still the issue." " Chin was sprung into action off the bench in the last quarter and struck over a free as the Model men fell by 19 points with the Déise laying waste to their unbeaten league run, but the Faythe Harriers forward appeared to pull up in the dying seconds when tracking back at speed.
The 29-year-old, an All-Star winner in 2019, was visibly in discomfort after the final whistle and he is believed to have undergone extensive treatment behind the scenes with fears that the same injury has flared up once again on the eve of championship."
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This looks like a serious error of judgement by the Wexford management team. Rushing a player back from injury when there was no need to bring him on with the game already lost.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2866 - 29/03/2022 10:50:42
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Some quick comments on some of the things being talked about here:
- absolutely ridiculous to suggest that the main reason for Sunday's defeat, or if we lose to Galway, will be that Egan went to Cheltenham. He was at training in Ferns on the Tuesday night of Cheltenham week, and was in Wexford Park on the Friday morning. He's allowed go somewhere for a day or two in between if he wants to.
- Gleeson was 100% a red card. By the rule book, striking or attempting to strike with the hurl, even with minimum force, is a straight red card. And a slap into the nether regions, even if it looks light enough, is probably the worst type of slap of all.
- Chin was hardly rushed back from injury. He's been nursed along all year. The word all along was that they hoped he'd have game time during the match v Cork, and then they held off another week as well before giving him 15 minutes. Obviously unfortunate if his injury is now worse again, but to claim they rushed him back is almost as far off the mark as blaming Sunday's result on Egan going to Cheltenham.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2974 - 29/03/2022 11:01:31
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Firstly, well done Waterford. Cahill has done a great job and you have developed great depth in your panel.
Genuinely, I think Waterford are contenders for Limerick's crown and I hope you go on and win it.
As regards Austin, he is a flawed genius along the likes of Diarmuid Connolly ... can win you a game and can loose you a game. Waterford have developed many good intercounty players but IMHO this guy is a spark of genius and has the ability to turn a game on his own. Waterford can win the All-Ireland and keeping this guy on the field is key to that.
Now as regards the match.
Waterford brought championship intensity. Wexford brought practice match intensity.
We are not as bad as the score line suggests but we are not as good as we though we were during last week.
As pointed out by somebody else, if you don't bring the work rate in the modern intercounty game, to track runners and make clearances difficult, then your backs will be under tremendous pressure.
I think in the last 5 years, pace and runners from deep have become a feature. A fast runner from midfield can overlap and create more goal chances than ever before. Cork beat Kilkenny with this tactic on Saturday night in the league semi final and in last years All-Ireland semi final. Waterford did the same to Wexford.
Having said all that ... the only group of people more disappointed than the Wexford supporters are the Galway hurling management team.
A wounded Wexford, with dampened expectation, in front of a home crowd, in a near must win game, in the first game of the championship, is a dangerous animal.
Darragh Egan, as far as I have seen, is a class manager. This was the first performance in a national competition, where Wexford did not have a savage work rate. I expect he will have us firing on all cylinders for the Galway game. I think he will have learned loads from the Waterford game and you learn more from defeats than victories.
I would take a bad beating against Waterford in the league, over being caught on the hop against Galway in the first round of the championship. That could easily have happened. However, we will not be caught on the hop now. There will be no complacency about how well we did in the league. That is well and truly gone. All that matters now is the Galway game.
I expect a big performance of high intensity against Galway because we will need that intensity. Why? because Galway have some great hurlers and they need to win this game.
If you look at the wider picture, this is nearly a make of break game for Galway because all Leinster teams will need 4 wins to guarantee a Leinster final.
When I first looked at the draw, it looked kind to Galway, as they don't play any big guns back to back.
However, Kilkenny play Westmeath and Laois in their first 2 games and then in the 3rd game are away to Galway.
So Kilkenny's first big intense close game where they are fresh is away to Galway (no offence meant to Westmeath or Laois). Cody will have Kilkenny frothing at the mouth and he knows what a win in Salthill means to a team - belief, confidence etc.
If you are Galway management, you are thinking, if we win the first game, it takes the pressure off, builds confidence and you gain momentum. If you loose against Wexford, you have Kilkenny in game 3 and it could end up being a short championship.
The more I think about it, Wexford v Galway is going to be a cracker.
We are capable of beating Galway, as long as we bring our A game, with 100% intensity and work rate.
Beat Galway and that league defeat against Waterford is a distant memory.
Beating Galway is all that matters now.
Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 29/03/2022 11:13:03
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Some quick comments on some of the things being talked about here:
- absolutely ridiculous to suggest that the main reason for Sunday's defeat, or if we lose to Galway, will be that Egan went to Cheltenham. He was at training in Ferns on the Tuesday night of Cheltenham week, and was in Wexford Park on the Friday morning. He's allowed go somewhere for a day or two in between if he wants to.
- Gleeson was 100% a red card. By the rule book, striking or attempting to strike with the hurl, even with minimum force, is a straight red card. And a slap into the nether regions, even if it looks light enough, is probably the worst type of slap of all.
- Chin was hardly rushed back from injury. He's been nursed along all year. The word all along was that they hoped he'd have game time during the match v Cork, and then they held off another week as well before giving him 15 minutes. Obviously unfortunate if his injury is now worse again, but to claim they rushed him back is almost as far off the mark as blaming Sunday's result on Egan going to Cheltenham." To make it worse I heard he backed Galopin des Champs in an accum, Sickening.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 29/03/2022 11:24:24
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Replying To wexico15: "Just read that here too https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/fresh-injury-scare-leaves-lee-chin-a-doubt-for-leinster-championship-41497396.html" Click Bait
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 546 - 29/03/2022 11:26:29
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Replying To Punter72007: "Firstly, well done Waterford. Cahill has done a great job and you have developed great depth in your panel.
Genuinely, I think Waterford are contenders for Limerick's crown and I hope you go on and win it.
As regards Austin, he is a flawed genius along the likes of Diarmuid Connolly ... can win you a game and can loose you a game. Waterford have developed many good intercounty players but IMHO this guy is a spark of genius and has the ability to turn a game on his own. Waterford can win the All-Ireland and keeping this guy on the field is key to that.
Now as regards the match.
Waterford brought championship intensity. Wexford brought practice match intensity.
We are not as bad as the score line suggests but we are not as good as we though we were during last week.
As pointed out by somebody else, if you don't bring the work rate in the modern intercounty game, to track runners and make clearances difficult, then your backs will be under tremendous pressure.
I think in the last 5 years, pace and runners from deep have become a feature. A fast runner from midfield can overlap and create more goal chances than ever before. Cork beat Kilkenny with this tactic on Saturday night in the league semi final and in last years All-Ireland semi final. Waterford did the same to Wexford.
Having said all that ... the only group of people more disappointed than the Wexford supporters are the Galway hurling management team.
A wounded Wexford, with dampened expectation, in front of a home crowd, in a near must win game, in the first game of the championship, is a dangerous animal.
Darragh Egan, as far as I have seen, is a class manager. This was the first performance in a national competition, where Wexford did not have a savage work rate. I expect he will have us firing on all cylinders for the Galway game. I think he will have learned loads from the Waterford game and you learn more from defeats than victories.
I would take a bad beating against Waterford in the league, over being caught on the hop against Galway in the first round of the championship. That could easily have happened. However, we will not be caught on the hop now. There will be no complacency about how well we did in the league. That is well and truly gone. All that matters now is the Galway game.
I expect a big performance of high intensity against Galway because we will need that intensity. Why? because Galway have some great hurlers and they need to win this game.
If you look at the wider picture, this is nearly a make of break game for Galway because all Leinster teams will need 4 wins to guarantee a Leinster final.
When I first looked at the draw, it looked kind to Galway, as they don't play any big guns back to back.
However, Kilkenny play Westmeath and Laois in their first 2 games and then in the 3rd game are away to Galway.
So Kilkenny's first big intense close game where they are fresh is away to Galway (no offence meant to Westmeath or Laois). Cody will have Kilkenny frothing at the mouth and he knows what a win in Salthill means to a team - belief, confidence etc.
If you are Galway management, you are thinking, if we win the first game, it takes the pressure off, builds confidence and you gain momentum. If you loose against Wexford, you have Kilkenny in game 3 and it could end up being a short championship.
The more I think about it, Wexford v Galway is going to be a cracker.
We are capable of beating Galway, as long as we bring our A game, with 100% intensity and work rate.
Beat Galway and that league defeat against Waterford is a distant memory.
Beating Galway is all that matters now." The Galway game will make or break our season too. Lose and our confidence will be on the floor after two defeats . Win and we are halfway to securing our top 3 place and have a chance of a Leinster final
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 29/03/2022 11:57:43
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Replying To WEX98: "Click Bait" He's always leaving click bait links.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 29/03/2022 12:14:17
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Replying To Punter72007: "Firstly, well done Waterford. Cahill has done a great job and you have developed great depth in your panel.
Genuinely, I think Waterford are contenders for Limerick's crown and I hope you go on and win it.
As regards Austin, he is a flawed genius along the likes of Diarmuid Connolly ... can win you a game and can loose you a game. Waterford have developed many good intercounty players but IMHO this guy is a spark of genius and has the ability to turn a game on his own. Waterford can win the All-Ireland and keeping this guy on the field is key to that.
Now as regards the match.
Waterford brought championship intensity. Wexford brought practice match intensity.
We are not as bad as the score line suggests but we are not as good as we though we were during last week.
As pointed out by somebody else, if you don't bring the work rate in the modern intercounty game, to track runners and make clearances difficult, then your backs will be under tremendous pressure.
I think in the last 5 years, pace and runners from deep have become a feature. A fast runner from midfield can overlap and create more goal chances than ever before. Cork beat Kilkenny with this tactic on Saturday night in the league semi final and in last years All-Ireland semi final. Waterford did the same to Wexford.
Having said all that ... the only group of people more disappointed than the Wexford supporters are the Galway hurling management team.
A wounded Wexford, with dampened expectation, in front of a home crowd, in a near must win game, in the first game of the championship, is a dangerous animal.
Darragh Egan, as far as I have seen, is a class manager. This was the first performance in a national competition, where Wexford did not have a savage work rate. I expect he will have us firing on all cylinders for the Galway game. I think he will have learned loads from the Waterford game and you learn more from defeats than victories.
I would take a bad beating against Waterford in the league, over being caught on the hop against Galway in the first round of the championship. That could easily have happened. However, we will not be caught on the hop now. There will be no complacency about how well we did in the league. That is well and truly gone. All that matters now is the Galway game.
I expect a big performance of high intensity against Galway because we will need that intensity. Why? because Galway have some great hurlers and they need to win this game.
If you look at the wider picture, this is nearly a make of break game for Galway because all Leinster teams will need 4 wins to guarantee a Leinster final.
When I first looked at the draw, it looked kind to Galway, as they don't play any big guns back to back.
However, Kilkenny play Westmeath and Laois in their first 2 games and then in the 3rd game are away to Galway.
So Kilkenny's first big intense close game where they are fresh is away to Galway (no offence meant to Westmeath or Laois). Cody will have Kilkenny frothing at the mouth and he knows what a win in Salthill means to a team - belief, confidence etc.
If you are Galway management, you are thinking, if we win the first game, it takes the pressure off, builds confidence and you gain momentum. If you loose against Wexford, you have Kilkenny in game 3 and it could end up being a short championship.
The more I think about it, Wexford v Galway is going to be a cracker.
We are capable of beating Galway, as long as we bring our A game, with 100% intensity and work rate.
Beat Galway and that league defeat against Waterford is a distant memory.
Beating Galway is all that matters now." Shefflin has thrown down the gauntlet to the Galway panel too dropping established panelists like Niall Burke and Adrian Tuhoy after the league.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 29/03/2022 12:48:00
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Replying To wexico15: "Shefflin has thrown down the gauntlet to the Galway panel too dropping established panelists like Niall Burke and Adrian Tuhoy after the league." Gauntlet? You mean, a lady's lace glove, like my grandmother God rest her, used to wear up to Sunday mass. 2-3 more could have easily gone with Burke and Tuohy (injuries hindered him). Henry is in his first year, and has to be careful; use a scissors, not a guillotine!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2347 - 29/03/2022 13:41:46
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "" Chin was sprung into action off the bench in the last quarter and struck over a free as the Model men fell by 19 points with the Déise laying waste to their unbeaten league run, but the Faythe Harriers forward appeared to pull up in the dying seconds when tracking back at speed. The 29-year-old, an All-Star winner in 2019, was visibly in discomfort after the final whistle and he is believed to have undergone extensive treatment behind the scenes with fears that the same injury has flared up once again on the eve of championship." linkThis looks like a serious error of judgement by the Wexford management team. Rushing a player back from injury when there was no need to bring him on with the game already lost."
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 29/03/2022 13:41:59
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Some quick comments on some of the things being talked about here:
- absolutely ridiculous to suggest that the main reason for Sunday's defeat, or if we lose to Galway, will be that Egan went to Cheltenham. He was at training in Ferns on the Tuesday night of Cheltenham week, and was in Wexford Park on the Friday morning. He's allowed go somewhere for a day or two in between if he wants to.
- Gleeson was 100% a red card. By the rule book, striking or attempting to strike with the hurl, even with minimum force, is a straight red card. And a slap into the nether regions, even if it looks light enough, is probably the worst type of slap of all.
- Chin was hardly rushed back from injury. He's been nursed along all year. The word all along was that they hoped he'd have game time during the match v Cork, and then they held off another week as well before giving him 15 minutes. Obviously unfortunate if his injury is now worse again, but to claim they rushed him back is almost as far off the mark as blaming Sunday's result on Egan going to Cheltenham." Agree with all your points here Pikeman
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16577 - 29/03/2022 13:42:48
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