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Replying To Oldtourman: "Wexico, They dethroned Kilkenny as Leinster and All Ireland Champions in 1970 and were favourites to win the All Ireland. However they were hit with a massive injuries crises- far more severe that of KK in '73- and the failure to play Seanie Kinsella in '76 and '77 probably also cost them. In 1993, Wexford were well on top in the first with KK, with John O'Connor completely outplaying KK dangerman Eamon Morrissey. With about four minutes to go Wexford were four points up and seemed to have the game in control. Then KK switched Morrissey in on Ger Cushe. Cushe was a fine Full Back of that time, but no speed merchant and the match seemed all wrong from a Wexford viewpoint. From the word go I would have sent O'Connor after EM, but one after another he scored four points in a row. There was no attempt by Wexford players or Management to disrupt KKs comeback. I am sure if the boot was on the other foot some KK player would have gone down, after the second point with 'life threatening injuries'. I feel if they had held out that day they would have edged Galway in the final, but there you go." Good man OTM, once again you prove to be an encyclopedia of the game; like reading about stuff that I don't already know about!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2343 - 24/03/2022 11:42:01
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Wexford or Waterford???
I'll get shot down for this but i don't buy that Waterford have an exceptional panel of players. They have a lot of subs around the same level but if Peter Hogan and Kieran Bennett are on the first 15 then i have my doubts about their overall strength.
Also time for Dessie to walk the walk in championship now as well. He scored 2 goals against Clare a few years ago but i don't think he's got more than 2 or 3 points since. Thats not top 10 level forward. He's lethal at club level but if he's the top top class inter county forward he's made out to be he'd want to start upping his game. IN MY OPINION
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Who has he unearthed that will be a championship starter??? David Blanchfield??
Planning without TJ playing Padraig Walsh centre forward." That young Butler lad seems to know what defending is about, as well as Blanchfield as you mention.
Btw, who is planning without TJ? You'd love if that were only true, wouldn't you? Reid will be lurking with intent, quite close to goal, this summer. Either way, his free-taking alone is worth him his place. It's good man management actually from Cody: after long club involvement, plus getting married, what Reid needed was a complete break from the game.
And my fear, as a man who wants Limerick to go the 3-in-a-row or else who'd love to see Waterford finally right their relationship with AI finals, is that we might even see an even improved version of TJ, hard as that might be to get your head around, that we haven't seen before. Having been starved of the game, he'll come back with such an appetite that he'll put man and ball in, when breaking the back of the net. TJ Reid, and you read it here, hasn't gone away.
But, I will admit that I wouldn't know Walsh's best position. But do you know what? He'll hurl really well wherever he's put. Those Walshes from Tullaroan have a habit of doing that.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2343 - 24/03/2022 12:02:01
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Wexford or Waterford???
I'll get shot down for this but i don't buy that Waterford have an exceptional panel of players. They have a lot of subs around the same level but if Peter Hogan and Kieran Bennett are on the first 15 then i have my doubts about their overall strength.
Also time for Dessie to walk the walk in championship now as well. He scored 2 goals against Clare a few years ago but i don't think he's got more than 2 or 3 points since. Thats not top 10 level forward. He's lethal at club level but if he's the top top class inter county forward he's made out to be he'd want to start upping his game. IN MY OPINION" We would be very wrong to underestimate Waterford . They have some top class hurlers and I see this as nothing only a 50/50 game
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 24/03/2022 12:08:14
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Replying To Viking66: "Wex98 is a club mate of his. Possibly a close relative. I'd be inclined to believe him when he says 3 months." Its for things like this a strong panel is vital, if a team goes through the provincial round robin without picking up an injury or 2 they'll be very lucky, unfortunately possible a player could miss a game with Covid too.
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Replying To Afinestick: "We would be very wrong to underestimate Waterford . They have some top class hurlers and I see this as nothing only a 50/50 game" I'm not underestimating them i just think they're closer to the pack than everyone thinks. Clare beat them in Championship last year and bar Tadgh De Burca, who is obviously a plus, they will be the same.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 24/03/2022 12:38:05
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Replying To foreveryoung: "That young Butler lad seems to know what defending is about, as well as Blanchfield as you mention.
Btw, who is planning without TJ? You'd love if that were only true, wouldn't you? Reid will be lurking with intent, quite close to goal, this summer. Either way, his free-taking alone is worth him his place. It's good man management actually from Cody: after long club involvement, plus getting married, what Reid needed was a complete break from the game.
And my fear, as a man who wants Limerick to go the 3-in-a-row or else who'd love to see Waterford finally right their relationship with AI finals, is that we might even see an even improved version of TJ, hard as that might be to get your head around, that we haven't seen before. Having been starved of the game, he'll come back with such an appetite that he'll put man and ball in, when breaking the back of the net. TJ Reid, and you read it here, hasn't gone away.
But, I will admit that I wouldn't know Walsh's best position. But do you know what? He'll hurl really well wherever he's put. Those Walshes from Tullaroan have a habit of doing that." Padraig Walsh is class, no doubt about it. But they'll need him up front after TJ retires in the next few weeks.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 24/03/2022 12:39:05
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Wexford or Waterford???
I'll get shot down for this but i don't buy that Waterford have an exceptional panel of players. They have a lot of subs around the same level but if Peter Hogan and Kieran Bennett are on the first 15 then i have my doubts about their overall strength.
Also time for Dessie to walk the walk in championship now as well. He scored 2 goals against Clare a few years ago but i don't think he's got more than 2 or 3 points since. Thats not top 10 level forward. He's lethal at club level but if he's the top top class inter county forward he's made out to be he'd want to start upping his game. IN MY OPINION" Think you could be right. Hutchinson is a fine hurler at club level. It'll be interesting to see how he goes in the championship. Waterford overall are quite strong, just wonder about their ability to win big matches where space is at a premium
Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 24/03/2022 12:48:36
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Wexford or Waterford???
I'll get shot down for this but i don't buy that Waterford have an exceptional panel of players. They have a lot of subs around the same level but if Peter Hogan and Kieran Bennett are on the first 15 then i have my doubts about their overall strength.
Also time for Dessie to walk the walk in championship now as well. He scored 2 goals against Clare a few years ago but i don't think he's got more than 2 or 3 points since. Thats not top 10 level forward. He's lethal at club level but if he's the top top class inter county forward he's made out to be he'd want to start upping his game. IN MY OPINION" Sean Finn has had Dessie's number but apart from that think he's walked the walk in a Waterford jersey, himself, Aussie and Stephen Bennett all 3 top class forwards, I think there strong all over, if I did have concerns for them is that corner back might not be there strongest area, also same as Chin for us Barron and Callum Lyons haven't played a minute in the league and as long as O'Keeffe is in self imposed intercounty wilderness they'll be going into championship without the best keeper in Waterford and 1 of the best in the country, if every team goes full tilt at the weekend and there's no pre championship poker in terms of team selections I'd make them slight favorites for Sunday while with home advantage I'd fancy Cork in the other semi final.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 24/03/2022 12:56:21
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Wexford or Waterford???
I'll get shot down for this but i don't buy that Waterford have an exceptional panel of players. They have a lot of subs around the same level but if Peter Hogan and Kieran Bennett are on the first 15 then i have my doubts about their overall strength.
Also time for Dessie to walk the walk in championship now as well. He scored 2 goals against Clare a few years ago but i don't think he's got more than 2 or 3 points since. Thats not top 10 level forward. He's lethal at club level but if he's the top top class inter county forward he's made out to be he'd want to start upping his game. IN MY OPINION" You could never write Waterford off the Waterford that we saw against tipperary will be the one we will see on Sunday they'll be well up for it they didn't look to bothered at times against kilkenny.. we are 15/8 to win on Sunday I'll still be putting a few quid on us..
juan31 (Wexford) - Posts: 169 - 24/03/2022 13:07:29
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Wexford or Waterford???
I'll get shot down for this but i don't buy that Waterford have an exceptional panel of players. They have a lot of subs around the same level but if Peter Hogan and Kieran Bennett are on the first 15 then i have my doubts about their overall strength.
Also time for Dessie to walk the walk in championship now as well. He scored 2 goals against Clare a few years ago but i don't think he's got more than 2 or 3 points since. Thats not top 10 level forward. He's lethal at club level but if he's the top top class inter county forward he's made out to be he'd want to start upping his game. IN MY OPINION" Waterford for me LarryO. I actually think their panel is probably stronger than Limerick's and that they're the team most likely to stop them this year. Also they have a very good manager who obviously sees the potential there bearing in mind he turned down the Tipp job.
Think it'll be a cracking game on Sunday with the deise to win by 3/4 points
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 24/03/2022 13:12:13
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Replying To wexico15: "Sean Finn has had Dessie's number but apart from that think he's walked the walk in a Waterford jersey, himself, Aussie and Stephen Bennett all 3 top class forwards, I think there strong all over, if I did have concerns for them is that corner back might not be there strongest area, also same as Chin for us Barron and Callum Lyons haven't played a minute in the league and as long as O'Keeffe is in self imposed intercounty wilderness they'll be going into championship without the best keeper in Waterford and 1 of the best in the country, if every team goes full tilt at the weekend and there's no pre championship poker in terms of team selections I'd make them slight favorites for Sunday while with home advantage I'd fancy Cork in the other semi final." Scoreless against Clare last year and scoreless against Galway and taken off.....
I think we are being blinded by what he does at club level but time could prove me wrong.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 24/03/2022 14:19:39
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Waterford for me LarryO. I actually think their panel is probably stronger than Limerick's and that they're the team most likely to stop them this year. Also they have a very good manager who obviously sees the potential there bearing in mind he turned down the Tipp job.
Think it'll be a cracking game on Sunday with the deise to win by 3/4 points" Can't see that myself.
Max 5 of the Waterford 15 would get on the Limerick team for me - Gleeson, Bennett, De Burca, Barron and possibly Prunty/Lyons/Hutchinson.
And as for panel strength Limerick will have Richie English, Mike Casey, Graeme Mulcahy, Colin Coughlan and Adam English/Pat Ryan/David Reidy as their 5 subs to bring in. They in my opinion would be stronger than any 5 Waterford will have.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 24/03/2022 14:32:31
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "I'm not underestimating them i just think they're closer to the pack than everyone thinks. Clare beat them in Championship last year and bar Tadgh De Burca, who is obviously a plus, they will be the same." They were missing a good few lads against Clare Larry
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16554 - 24/03/2022 15:53:58
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Scoreless against Clare last year and scoreless against Galway and taken off.....
I think we are being blinded by what he does at club level but time could prove me wrong." He was brilliant in that Galway game last year playing essentially as a 1 man FF line, what a player scores is a good indicator but doesn't always give the full picture, best example i know is the 2012 drawn all ireland between kilkenny and galway where some people rate Shefflin's 2nd half performance as 1 of the best 35 mins ever by an individual player, he only got 1 point from play in that game.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 24/03/2022 15:59:29
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Can't see that myself.
Max 5 of the Waterford 15 would get on the Limerick team for me - Gleeson, Bennett, De Burca, Barron and possibly Prunty/Lyons/Hutchinson.
And as for panel strength Limerick will have Richie English, Mike Casey, Graeme Mulcahy, Colin Coughlan and Adam English/Pat Ryan/David Reidy as their 5 subs to bring in. They in my opinion would be stronger than any 5 Waterford will have." Limerick have the better starting 15 but the league has indicated that just maybe Limerick's strength in depth isn't as good as some might have thought (me included). The league has been good for Waterford giving loads of gametime to all the panel and the ballygunner lads only coming back and still a few key players out injured as well. I said earlier in the week that I think Waterford will go as near full strength as possible on Sunday and if they do it'll tell us a lot about ourselves …. hopefully loads of positives
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Scoreless against Clare last year and scoreless against Galway and taken off.....
I think we are being blinded by what he does at club level but time could prove me wrong." His hurling has come on a good bit the last couple of years. When he was over the water playing professional soccer his pace, fitness and stamina wouldve come on but hedve been doing very little top level hurling.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16554 - 24/03/2022 16:22:09
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Can't see that myself.
Max 5 of the Waterford 15 would get on the Limerick team for me - Gleeson, Bennett, De Burca, Barron and possibly Prunty/Lyons/Hutchinson.
And as for panel strength Limerick will have Richie English, Mike Casey, Graeme Mulcahy, Colin Coughlan and Adam English/Pat Ryan/David Reidy as their 5 subs to bring in. They in my opinion would be stronger than any 5 Waterford will have." I think theres a good bit of wishful thinking going on when lads are pointing to the Limerick bench being weak. Lads are looking for hope. Or chinks. But I'd agree with you most of those lads would start for many other counties.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16554 - 24/03/2022 16:24:31
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Can't see that myself.
Max 5 of the Waterford 15 would get on the Limerick team for me - Gleeson, Bennett, De Burca, Barron and possibly Prunty/Lyons/Hutchinson.
And as for panel strength Limerick will have Richie English, Mike Casey, Graeme Mulcahy, Colin Coughlan and Adam English/Pat Ryan/David Reidy as their 5 subs to bring in. They in my opinion would be stronger than any 5 Waterford will have." Yes agreed about the Waterford lads but that's the important spine of any team you have picked out. 3, 5, 6, 8, 11, 15 and 14. All the most important players.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16554 - 24/03/2022 16:27:50
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Can't see that myself.
Max 5 of the Waterford 15 would get on the Limerick team for me - Gleeson, Bennett, De Burca, Barron and possibly Prunty/Lyons/Hutchinson.
And as for panel strength Limerick will have Richie English, Mike Casey, Graeme Mulcahy, Colin Coughlan and Adam English/Pat Ryan/David Reidy as their 5 subs to bring in. They in my opinion would be stronger than any 5 Waterford will have." Yes agreed about the Waterford lads but that's the important spine of any team you have picked out. 3, 5, 6, 8, 11, 15 and 14. All the most important players on any team. You have agreed with most of the lads who reckon Waterford are number 2.
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