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Replying To zinny:  "I am not sure I buy into the reason he hasn't been great on the last couple of years is down to how Davey wanted the game played. A modern 14 should be able to play all versions of the game. In my it wasn't the tactics but blind loyalty."
has he been that poor the last couple of years? I taught he did well against Kilkenny in last years championship, got a couple of scores against Clare with poor supply and got 2-4 from play against Laois. In 2020 everyone bar Liam Ryan if I remember correctly played poorly.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 04/03/2022 12:13:09    2403768

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Replying To zinny:  "I am not sure I buy into the reason he hasn't been great on the last couple of years is down to how Davey wanted the game played. A modern 14 should be able to play all versions of the game. In my it wasn't the tactics but blind loyalty."
I am with you here for once zinny! For all his brilliance, his workrate can be unacceptably lax.
I have on more than 1 occasion in recent years remarked when a score came at the other end, if you rewind it to where the move started McDonald gave up on the chase of the full or corner back at the other end to stop them clearing the ball. That isn't acceptable in the modern game, you are the first defender as a forward and any forward needs to be able to make space for themselves, and if they cant then speed and fitness must be their problem. Standing in beside the full back is the game Billy Byrne played, it is not the game of today and you need that pace to make space.
Back to tomorrow, we should be able to have the game won by half time and give every squad member a game then.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1895 - 04/03/2022 12:20:11    2403770

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Conor Mac has been told not to chase back or sprint after defenders going by him. His pace is just not there, simple as that. Similar to telling a fella with two left feet not to shoot, there's no point. His ability to read the game and hold off his man is what enables him to get out in front of his man.
He is however unbelievably gifted and in my opinion after Cian Lynch has the best pair of hands in the country. He is undroppable for Wexford and his scoring rate backs it up.
Anybody wanting to drop him because it looks like he's not chasing a back is deluded.

Below are his scoring stats from play in the last 5 championships compared to other forwards:

2016: 0-9, top scorer from play
2017: 0-9, Paul Morris top scorer 0-11
2018: 3-7 top scorer from play
2019: 3-13 top scorer from play
2020: 0-1, Rory O Connor top scorer 0-05
2021: 2-10 top scorer from play

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 04/03/2022 12:47:48    2403780

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Replying To wexico15:  "The beauty of having an aerial threat close to goal is he doesn't need to win every ball to be effective and his presence there will always worry opposition, we could drive 3 balls in over the game the full back could win 2 but Mac could pick the other and a goal come off it."
I think u are being very optimistic in your ratios there Wexico. It wasnt 1 out of 3 against Clare. Better to play lower ball into him still I think.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16534 - 04/03/2022 12:48:14    2403781

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I am with you here for once zinny! For all his brilliance, his workrate can be unacceptably lax.
I have on more than 1 occasion in recent years remarked when a score came at the other end, if you rewind it to where the move started McDonald gave up on the chase of the full or corner back at the other end to stop them clearing the ball. That isn't acceptable in the modern game, you are the first defender as a forward and any forward needs to be able to make space for themselves, and if they cant then speed and fitness must be their problem. Standing in beside the full back is the game Billy Byrne played, it is not the game of today and you need that pace to make space.
Back to tomorrow, we should be able to have the game won by half time and give every squad member a game then."
Surprised no oisin pepper anywhere in the squad but very happy with team and squad

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1150 - 04/03/2022 12:49:57    2403782

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I am with you here for once zinny! For all his brilliance, his workrate can be unacceptably lax.
I have on more than 1 occasion in recent years remarked when a score came at the other end, if you rewind it to where the move started McDonald gave up on the chase of the full or corner back at the other end to stop them clearing the ball. That isn't acceptable in the modern game, you are the first defender as a forward and any forward needs to be able to make space for themselves, and if they cant then speed and fitness must be their problem. Standing in beside the full back is the game Billy Byrne played, it is not the game of today and you need that pace to make space.
Back to tomorrow, we should be able to have the game won by half time and give every squad member a game then."
Yourself and Zinny make valid points but ultimately in my opinion he's capable of doing things nobody else in our squad is, I'll put it this way if we decided to drop him for the Galway game on Easter weekend I suspect Shefflin and the Galway starting defence would be thrilled.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 04/03/2022 12:53:18    2403786

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I'd expect Wexford to win tomorrow all right, but I'd be cautious about saying we should have it won by half time. There was very little between Offaly and Clare last week with about 20 minutes to go.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2970 - 04/03/2022 13:06:47    2403790

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I seem to recall Mac having noticeably improved work-rate against Limerick, and as someone else said, while he was quiet vs. Clare, the two points he did get were top quality for different reasons. I'd say only Flanagan is better at the over the shoulder score, and he is playing in the most fluid attacking set-up around.

On this week's podcast, Fergal Healy was actually symphatetic towards Mac saying that the last couple of years he was isolated inside, and that opponents loved when he played a bit deeper. So his threat at the edge of the square is acknowledged nationwide. It is obvious that we have adopted a style to suit our inside men, and I would back Mac to thrive come championship.

The way I see it, it could work both ways: either Mac gets the usual attention and thus becomes a foil to allow Rory O to continue his excellence, or suddenly Rory O becomes the new 'marked man', which will allow Mac to hopefully thrive. I genuinely think it'll be impossible to keep both of them quiet in the same game. And that's throwing in Dwyer who probably remains an unknown quantity but is great at breaking tackles and finding space.

And I find it mad that people are actually questioning Mac's presence in the line-up, when a far more inconsistent Jacko seems to feature in everyone's best XV. Come championship, I'd have Mogie ahead of him everyday of the week. But isn't it great to suddenly have options?

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1500 - 04/03/2022 13:21:19    2403795

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Replying To beano:  "I seem to recall Mac having noticeably improved work-rate against Limerick, and as someone else said, while he was quiet vs. Clare, the two points he did get were top quality for different reasons. I'd say only Flanagan is better at the over the shoulder score, and he is playing in the most fluid attacking set-up around.

On this week's podcast, Fergal Healy was actually symphatetic towards Mac saying that the last couple of years he was isolated inside, and that opponents loved when he played a bit deeper. So his threat at the edge of the square is acknowledged nationwide. It is obvious that we have adopted a style to suit our inside men, and I would back Mac to thrive come championship.

The way I see it, it could work both ways: either Mac gets the usual attention and thus becomes a foil to allow Rory O to continue his excellence, or suddenly Rory O becomes the new 'marked man', which will allow Mac to hopefully thrive. I genuinely think it'll be impossible to keep both of them quiet in the same game. And that's throwing in Dwyer who probably remains an unknown quantity but is great at breaking tackles and finding space.

And I find it mad that people are actually questioning Mac's presence in the line-up, when a far more inconsistent Jacko seems to feature in everyone's best XV. Come championship, I'd have Mogie ahead of him everyday of the week. But isn't it great to suddenly have options?"
It is Beano we havent had options like we gave now for as long as I can remember and that really includes the 90s. I'm definitely not suggesting we drop Mac. Only give him ball hes more likely to win.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16534 - 04/03/2022 13:58:12    2403798

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Who is our best player?

For me it is between Liam Ryan, Chin, Conor Mac and Rory O Connor as they would get on any team in the country. With Kevin Foley, Paudie Foley and Dee O Keefe not too far behind.

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 04/03/2022 14:10:20    2403799

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Replying To Viking66:  "I think u are being very optimistic in your ratios there Wexico. It wasnt 1 out of 3 against Clare. Better to play lower ball into him still I think."
I just gave a hypothetical scenario more than a definite ratio to be honest, as I said in an earlier post if he was dropped for a championship game I'd say our opponents on the day would be delighted.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 04/03/2022 14:11:25    2403800

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Replying To Yellow:  "Who is our best player?

For me it is between Liam Ryan, Chin, Conor Mac and Rory O Connor as they would get on any team in the country. With Kevin Foley, Paudie Foley and Dee O Keefe not too far behind."
For all the criticism he's got at times O'Hanlon has had a serious intercounty career too, was reading in an article last week he's started every championship game he's been available for, that's going back to 2011.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 04/03/2022 14:40:18    2403805

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Replying To Yellow:  "Who is our best player?

For me it is between Liam Ryan, Chin, Conor Mac and Rory O Connor as they would get on any team in the country. With Kevin Foley, Paudie Foley and Dee O Keefe not too far behind."
Think Rory probably more effective than Mac and Jippo based on this season so far. Overall Chin probably our most influential hurler though we havent seen him at all so far . MOH and Damien Reck have been every bit as good as your 2nd group with Flood not far behind if behind at all tbh. Fanning probably in this group also and Liam og. Dwyer, Donohue not far off these also. Shane Reck based on last year would be probably in this group too. Be good to see how Bailey goes on Saturday in his 1st game back. Of the non regular starters before this year Dunbar and Oisin Foley probably have looked the most championship ready although none of the lads who have played in the League have looked lost at senior level.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16534 - 04/03/2022 14:48:38    2403807

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Replying To wexico15:  "For all the criticism he's got at times O'Hanlon has had a serious intercounty career too, was reading in an article last week he's started every championship game he's been available for, that's going back to 2011."
To put it in context himself, Dee and Mogie went to San Fran for the summer in 2013 and I think he's started every championship game since 2011 bar that year.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 04/03/2022 14:49:03    2403809

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Replying To wexico15:  "I just gave a hypothetical scenario more than a definite ratio to be honest, as I said in an earlier post if he was dropped for a championship game I'd say our opponents on the day would be delighted."
I'm certainly not saying to drop him. Only give him better ball to win and use.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16534 - 04/03/2022 14:58:51    2403811

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Replying To Afinestick:  "I'd have Shane Reck for Donohoe aswell. Donohoe has plenty of experience and is a good option too. Also think I'd have Dwyer in for Liam Og or Oisin Foley. Plenty of competition for places which is great to see"
Was just thinking none of us mentioned Mcguckin either, he's got a serious amount of gametime in the 2 months so obviously Egan rates his workrate and energy.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 04/03/2022 16:10:01    2403816

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Seamus Casey seems to find it very hard to get any sort of game time even as sub.

In the few matches I saw him in the Fitzgibbon cup with Carlow IT he hurled well but I know there is the next step up to Inter County and Darragh Egan sees a lot more going on in training than we do.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 970 - 05/03/2022 08:49:51    2403838

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Replying To Yellow:  "Who is our best player?

For me it is between Liam Ryan, Chin, Conor Mac and Rory O Connor as they would get on any team in the country. With Kevin Foley, Paudie Foley and Dee O Keefe not too far behind."
Chin is the best technical player we have his aerial ability and some of the stuff he can do with a hurl are next level. Rory has the potential to be one of the best we've ever had

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 05/03/2022 09:14:44    2403839

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Really looking forward to this match today. Sun out not a cloud in the sky and should go top of the league in style and see some emerging talent.

Perfect

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 05/03/2022 09:26:10    2403840

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Would Wexford be happy with a League trophy and Leinster title or is All Ireland honours on people's minds. I think All Ireland is a year away from Wexford. Panel is too small and the backs have question marks. I like that Foley guy..hes great but am not sure about yere corner backs. I think ye missed out on at least a year's development by keeping Davy... and the funny thing is Davy thinks he had ye near these performances

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 05/03/2022 09:39:09    2403842

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