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Hoping for a return of Chin and Foley in Salthill

Fanning
Donohue Ryan Hanlon
Reck P Foley Flood
Dee K Foley
O Foley Chin J O Connor
R O Connor Mac Dwyer

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 15/02/2022 19:05:43    2400561

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Did wexford have a combined colleges team in the competition this year. Didn't hear anything about them if they did. I'd have thought they would've had a decent team with enniscorthy cbs, wexford cbs and gorey cs all qualifying for the knockout stages of Leinster B"
I could be wrong, but I think it's the case that if a school enters the competition in its own right, then they can't contribute players to a combined schools team?

If so, there'd be a point of view that it's maybe better for those three schools to be able to enter a team of their own and giving lots more lads the chance to play, rather than just pulling one team together from the three of them.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2969 - 15/02/2022 20:30:11    2400569

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Replying To Viking66:  "How will that grow the sport in areas with less hurling? Or are you proposing that keeping the status quo is the most important thing in hurling and not be bothered growing the sport anywhere else??"
The sport is grown by clubs. Anything a school does is just superficial.

I said there should be a separate competition for combined schools teams to suit whoever wants to turn schools competitions into de-facto intercounty competitions.

Either way, how is amalgamating a number of schools instead of those schools fielding their own teams going to grow hurling?

Dublin, Offaly, Wexford, Westmeath are all examples of counties that have combined schools teams. All are hurling counties.

There is no need for a combined schools team in any of those counties.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 15/02/2022 21:56:22    2400586

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IT Carlow and UL is on Electric Ireland YouTube channel at 7.30 tomorrow night, the other semi final between the 2 Galway colleges is on today at 2 on HE GAA YouTube channel, in the QF 27 of the 30 starting players between the 2 were from Galway.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/02/2022 08:20:51    2400593

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I could be wrong, but I think it's the case that if a school enters the competition in its own right, then they can't contribute players to a combined schools team?

If so, there'd be a point of view that it's maybe better for those three schools to be able to enter a team of their own and giving lots more lads the chance to play, rather than just pulling one team together from the three of them."
The combined team only uses players from schools that don't play in the 'A' competition

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 16/02/2022 09:39:56    2400604

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I could be wrong, but I think it's the case that if a school enters the competition in its own right, then they can't contribute players to a combined schools team?

If so, there'd be a point of view that it's maybe better for those three schools to be able to enter a team of their own and giving lots more lads the chance to play, rather than just pulling one team together from the three of them."
Open to correction but I was of the impression once the school isn't in the A competition like St Peters and Good Counsel they can contribute to a combined team and the player can play for that school in the B or C grade, basically like the divisional teams in Cork and Kerry club championships. Gorey Community School are in a Leinster football final and I think they had players on the combined team.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/02/2022 10:19:34    2400611

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Replying To Yellow:  "Hoping for a return of Chin and Foley in Salthill

Fanning
Donohue Ryan Hanlon
Reck P Foley Flood
Dee K Foley
O Foley Chin J O Connor
R O Connor Mac Dwyer"
Looks like a decent team. Think I'd start Liam Og ahead of Chin . We don't want to rush Chin back in . Let him come on in the second half when hopefully the game is there to be won

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 16/02/2022 10:25:31    2400612

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Replying To Onfor15:  "The sport is grown by clubs. Anything a school does is just superficial.

I said there should be a separate competition for combined schools teams to suit whoever wants to turn schools competitions into de-facto intercounty competitions.

Either way, how is amalgamating a number of schools instead of those schools fielding their own teams going to grow hurling?

Dublin, Offaly, Wexford, Westmeath are all examples of counties that have combined schools teams. All are hurling counties.

There is no need for a combined schools team in any of those counties."
I'd just be of the opinion myself that lads outside of St Peters and Good Counsel should have the opportunity to play in the A competition and the best efforts should be made to facilitate this if at all possible and its good for there development, just when were on this topic by my count we used 19 players in Ennis last Sunday and 10 of them came through schools outside of Peters and GCC.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/02/2022 10:40:24    2400615

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Replying To Yellow:  "Hoping for a return of Chin and Foley in Salthill

Fanning
Donohue Ryan Hanlon
Reck P Foley Flood
Dee K Foley
O Foley Chin J O Connor
R O Connor Mac Dwyer"
With Chin back and probably taking the frees, I'd drop Jacko and give McGuckin more game time.

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 16/02/2022 10:40:25    2400616

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Replying To wexico15:  "Open to correction but I was of the impression once the school isn't in the A competition like St Peters and Good Counsel they can contribute to a combined team and the player can play for that school in the B or C grade, basically like the divisional teams in Cork and Kerry club championships. Gorey Community School are in a Leinster football final and I think they had players on the combined team."
Well, I was open to correction too, and since HurlingBuzz is of the same belief as you are, I'm willing to take your combined words for it.

I can see logistical difficulties in asking lads to train or play with their school team one day and then train or play with a combined team the next day, but the again, if the football side of things can do it....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2969 - 16/02/2022 11:24:26    2400629

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Replying To Onfor15:  "The sport is grown by clubs. Anything a school does is just superficial.

I said there should be a separate competition for combined schools teams to suit whoever wants to turn schools competitions into de-facto intercounty competitions.

Either way, how is amalgamating a number of schools instead of those schools fielding their own teams going to grow hurling?

Dublin, Offaly, Wexford, Westmeath are all examples of counties that have combined schools teams. All are hurling counties.

There is no need for a combined schools team in any of those counties."
They could still play for their own schools in the B and C championships. It would just get the lads selected more experience playing on better opponents which should improve their own hurling.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16517 - 16/02/2022 11:30:12    2400633

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Replying To Fulgrim:  "With Chin back and probably taking the frees, I'd drop Jacko and give McGuckin more game time."
I wouldnt be rushing Chin back tbh. Put Jacko in at CF and Mcguckin WF. Also give Shane Reck and Devitt starts at cornerback. Damien Reck centreback see how he gets on against Galway while will be a step up from Clare being as Clare were missing 3 or 4 of their championship starting forwards.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16517 - 16/02/2022 11:33:39    2400635

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Replying To Fulgrim:  "With Chin back and probably taking the frees, I'd drop Jacko and give McGuckin more game time."
Reading the paper sounds like the aim is to have Chin back for Offaly and Cork and Kevin Foley and Devitt back for Galway.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/02/2022 11:34:47    2400636

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Well, I was open to correction too, and since HurlingBuzz is of the same belief as you are, I'm willing to take your combined words for it.

I can see logistical difficulties in asking lads to train or play with their school team one day and then train or play with a combined team the next day, but the again, if the football side of things can do it...."
I had a son involved a couple of years ago and the difficulty was training and playing with their main school and combined colleges team at the same time in the depths of winter. Having said that he really enjoyed the experience . Probably more difficult for parents getting their sons to combined colleges training midweek and weekends.
As regards wexford I hear lee chin is being carefully managed and I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him til the cork game at the earliest

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 16/02/2022 12:11:54    2400656

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Replying To Viking66:  "They could still play for their own schools in the B and C championships. It would just get the lads selected more experience playing on better opponents which should improve their own hurling."
So it means a good 18 year old will be playing for 2 school teams, probably an intercounty squad, multiple teams in his club in both league and championship.

Few years ago the problems of burnout were highlighted. Those problems seem to be ignored now.

Anyway my central point is that a school in the A competition shouldn't see their chances ended by losing to a de-facto intercounty team.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 16/02/2022 12:56:45    2400670

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Replying To Onfor15:  "So it means a good 18 year old will be playing for 2 school teams, probably an intercounty squad, multiple teams in his club in both league and championship.

Few years ago the problems of burnout were highlighted. Those problems seem to be ignored now.

Anyway my central point is that a school in the A competition shouldn't see their chances ended by losing to a de-facto intercounty team."
I get where your coming from, I think training as much as games are the issue when it comes to burnout, I think managers and having good relationship's with other managers involved with the player's teams is key, having a common sense joint up approach rather than looking after there own self interest's, unfortunately living in the real world I think that could be difficult to achieve.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/02/2022 13:10:09    2400673

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Replying To Onfor15:  "So it means a good 18 year old will be playing for 2 school teams, probably an intercounty squad, multiple teams in his club in both league and championship.

Few years ago the problems of burnout were highlighted. Those problems seem to be ignored now.

Anyway my central point is that a school in the A competition shouldn't see their chances ended by losing to a de-facto intercounty team."
Just on the last sentence I'd say over the years there was many a St Kieran's team that wasn't far off a de-facto intercounty team.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/02/2022 13:15:50    2400678

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Replying To Onfor15:  "So it means a good 18 year old will be playing for 2 school teams, probably an intercounty squad, multiple teams in his club in both league and championship.

Few years ago the problems of burnout were highlighted. Those problems seem to be ignored now.

Anyway my central point is that a school in the A competition shouldn't see their chances ended by losing to a de-facto intercounty team."
Most intercounty players, more than half, play for A colleges in most of the Liam McCarthy counties.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16517 - 16/02/2022 13:51:24    2400691

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Replying To Onfor15:  "So it means a good 18 year old will be playing for 2 school teams, probably an intercounty squad, multiple teams in his club in both league and championship.

Few years ago the problems of burnout were highlighted. Those problems seem to be ignored now.

Anyway my central point is that a school in the A competition shouldn't see their chances ended by losing to a de-facto intercounty team."
The combined colleges don't win the competition year in year out. I know of one win by Dublin north and there may have been another one but the reality is Leinster post primary has been dominated by Kieran's with Kilkenny cbs the most likely to beat them in any given year.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 16/02/2022 14:53:06    2400708

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "The combined colleges don't win the competition year in year out. I know of one win by Dublin north and there may have been another one but the reality is Leinster post primary has been dominated by Kieran's with Kilkenny cbs the most likely to beat them in any given year."
For sure. A large percentage of the Kilkenny panel in any given year attended there. With CBS and GC also supplying alot of players to them. The combined colleges have only won 1 title in 2018. But why shouldn't they be allowed to compete in the AI series then?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16517 - 16/02/2022 15:29:53    2400716

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