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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I'd imagine tg4 has a say as well cause they've the broadcasting rights" Well they do often show matches over the weekends as well.
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Replying To Afinestick: "Isn't it an awful pity they wouldn't put the Under 20 final on Saturday or Sunday evening. With no senior game for either county it would have made sense . Still expect a big crowd there on Monday evening.
Would be a massive boost for Wexford hurling if we could get a victory and qualify for an All Ireland Final" We will need to play better than we have so far but we have improved game on game. If our running/short game clicks we will pose a different threat to Kilkenny than Galway did. They will have a size advantage over us as regards a long game though. Good luck to the lads Monday!!!
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Just saw final is on the weekend of the 21/22nd hopefully we make it. Hardly be on the 21st since we play Kilkenny in nowlan park
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Well they do often show matches over the weekends as well." I'd say a few factors were involved. Firstly the semi finals were played on Monday and therefore realistically the earliest they were going to have the final was next Sunday to allow teams recover but they are already showing the u20 football semi on Sunday lunchtime to avoid clashing with the live matches on RTÉ later in the afternoon. Sunday evening maybe could've been an option .
Great Munster final last night. Two very good teams
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The U20 final was actually originally scheduled for next Tuesday evening. Don't know why it was brought forward to Monday, but don't think that bringing it even further forward to Saturday or Sunday would ever have been a real runner on account of that.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I'd say a few factors were involved. Firstly the semi finals were played on Monday and therefore realistically the earliest they were going to have the final was next Sunday to allow teams recover but they are already showing the u20 football semi on Sunday lunchtime to avoid clashing with the live matches on RTÉ later in the afternoon. Sunday evening maybe could've been an option .
Great Munster final last night. Two very good teams" Where did you watch? I take it that you weren't at the game. I'd like to have a gander, if you've any links.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Where did you watch? I take it that you weren't at the game. I'd like to have a gander, if you've any links." You'll find it on the tg4 player.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I'd say a few factors were involved. Firstly the semi finals were played on Monday and therefore realistically the earliest they were going to have the final was next Sunday to allow teams recover but they are already showing the u20 football semi on Sunday lunchtime to avoid clashing with the live matches on RTÉ later in the afternoon. Sunday evening maybe could've been an option .
Great Munster final last night. Two very good teams" I did think the semi's could have been played on Saturday though as a double header in Wexford anyway.
Naturally the final would need a week and to be honest, a Monday night in Carlow is as good a time for a match as you will get. Should get a good crowd.
I see there are matches on TG4 on this Saturday anyway.
I saw some of that Munster final. It was a higher level than Wexford Dublin I thought, but the biggest difference was the S&C of the Limerick team in particular. I wonder if we beat Kilkenny will that be our biggest issue. We looked a bit light to me.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I did think the semi's could have been played on Saturday though as a double header in Wexford anyway.
Naturally the final would need a week and to be honest, a Monday night in Carlow is as good a time for a match as you will get. Should get a good crowd.
I see there are matches on TG4 on this Saturday anyway.
I saw some of that Munster final. It was a higher level than Wexford Dublin I thought, but the biggest difference was the S&C of the Limerick team in particular. I wonder if we beat Kilkenny will that be our biggest issue. We looked a bit light to me." Strength and conditioning has been mentioned by numerous posters as being an issue. When you think virtually all the u20 squad have been involved in our development squad system for at least 5/6 years it seems we're years behind other counties. My son actually said to me that watching the Kilkenny/Galway game he thought he was looking at a senior game such was the size of both teams and the same last night. The Limerick guys look ready for senior now. You couldn't say the same about our guys.
Apart from the s&c the point scoring from play by both teams especially Limerick was unreal. The conveyor belt is still rolling down there.
I believe wexford beat Tipp in a challenge game recently so that gives me hope we can turn the kats over on Monday
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I did think the semi's could have been played on Saturday though as a double header in Wexford anyway.
Naturally the final would need a week and to be honest, a Monday night in Carlow is as good a time for a match as you will get. Should get a good crowd.
I see there are matches on TG4 on this Saturday anyway.
I saw some of that Munster final. It was a higher level than Wexford Dublin I thought, but the biggest difference was the S&C of the Limerick team in particular. I wonder if we beat Kilkenny will that be our biggest issue. We looked a bit light to me." Galway and Kilkenny both looked more like the 2 teams last night. It's not just an S and C thing though. Are we smaller heightwise too? Does always seem to be the case. Said this before a few years ago but maybe at club level underage we don't put the same effort into bigger possibly less coordinated lads and concentrate too much on smaller lads who hurl better at that age? Or are people in Wexford just smaller in general?
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Replying To Viking66: "Galway and Kilkenny both looked more like the 2 teams last night. It's not just an S and C thing though. Are we smaller heightwise too? Does always seem to be the case. Said this before a few years ago but maybe at club level underage we don't put the same effort into bigger possibly less coordinated lads and concentrate too much on smaller lads who hurl better at that age? Or are people in Wexford just smaller in general?" Hard to know. I think there is some big men on our current team not just height wise but physically . Likes of Jippo , Hanlon, P Foley , Liam Og , Jacko , Chin and Mac are all well able to compete physically. Rory O Connor for a light lad is well able to be physical too. I think the seniors have Graham Byrne now and he is meant to be good. The most crucial age group for S&C is under 17s . It's very important we give lads a strong base in this regard before they push onto under 20 and adult levels.
I do agree though the current under 20s do look smaller than Kk and Galway and Limerick are a huge team .
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I heard it was mentioned on the Hurling Podcast this week that the under-17's don't have a dedicated S&C officer in the schools any more compared to even three years ago. And we wonder why we tail behind some of our peers in that regard.
Meanwhile, Laois can attract someone like Derek McGrath and produce discernible improvements in his tenure, while we have coaches who set an example by getting sent off in the KK game.
I do think we have a great chance to win the under-20 Leinster final though, especially with Shine a doubt for Kilkenny. The Dublin game will have done the world of good for Scallan and Lawlor in particular. Beyond that, as has been the case in this grade for at least the last decade, I can't see anyone toppling the Munster representatives unfortunately.
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Replying To beano: "I heard it was mentioned on the Hurling Podcast this week that the under-17's don't have a dedicated S&C officer in the schools any more compared to even three years ago. And we wonder why we tail behind some of our peers in that regard.
Meanwhile, Laois can attract someone like Derek McGrath and produce discernible improvements in his tenure, while we have coaches who set an example by getting sent off in the KK game.
I do think we have a great chance to win the under-20 Leinster final though, especially with Shine a doubt for Kilkenny. The Dublin game will have done the world of good for Scallan and Lawlor in particular. Beyond that, as has been the case in this grade for at least the last decade, I can't see anyone toppling the Munster representatives unfortunately." That's crazy the S&C coach has not being replaced . That needs to be rectified as soon as possible. We will be miles behind other counties if we can't get small things like this right
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Replying To Afinestick: "That's crazy the S&C coach has not being replaced . That needs to be rectified as soon as possible. We will be miles behind other counties if we can't get small things like this right" For sure. Very depressing if true.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16839 - 05/05/2022 17:45:20
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I think the criticism of Mick Jacob is unfair. I don't know him but have a lot of respect for the man, one of my earliest memories is his winning goal in Croke Park v Kilkenny.
Wexford hurling would have fallen off a cliff without the Oulart contingent in the late noughties, and they were all trained by Mick Jacob Snr I am told.
tonydoranfan was on here saying that he knew every young hurler in Wexford and there was much better than the squad picked, but never came back to name one player after slander of Mick Jacob.
Beano now complaining about him getting sent off. We were getting nothing from the referee that day and the red mist does descend. Did you see Cody on Sunday? Liam Sheedy? You have to be out to fight for the borderline decisions some times and be vocal.
Who do you want involved with teams? No offence but I've heard of some utterly woeful coaches over football developent squads over the years and that is why we are getting annihilated by Longford and similar. Like would you rather Mattie Forde / Brian Malone / Whoever took over a football development squad or some man from a junior club who played football at club level 40 years ago?
I as a hurling player want ex players who have delivered at the top and fiercely competitive people like Mick Jacob, Keith Rossiter, Joe Kearns, David Redmond, etc to coach our teams. They won't all be top managers or coaches but there is no denying it is where to start. Every county now has ex hurlers over teams.
If I thought Wexford GAA would spend money on Derek McGrath or his like coaching at minor then I would have huge reservations if that is the best use of money. Lets be real, Derek doesn't love Laois hurling that much and even the Harriers lads have varying opinions. And having had training sessions done by some "high profile celebrity coaches" over the years in both college and club, I think they are mostly a waste of time and a sign of desperation.
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Heard today that Hugh Lawlor is gone for kk for rest of round Robin which is good news for us as he was playing well for them don't like seeing players getting injured but from our viewpoint it's good news.
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Replying To Tiger1: "Heard today that Hugh Lawlor is gone for kk for rest of round Robin which is good news for us as he was playing well for them don't like seeing players getting injured but from our viewpoint it's good news." TJ subbed v Galway as well. Rumour is he has been carrying an injury for some time . Injuries are a harsh reality in championship hurling. Just look at Tipp going into next Sunday losing another 2 players for a must win match for them. Just glad that we seem to be seeing an improvement in our injury situation with chin getting more game time and paul Morris also returning
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I think the criticism of Mick Jacob is unfair. I don't know him but have a lot of respect for the man, one of my earliest memories is his winning goal in Croke Park v Kilkenny.
Wexford hurling would have fallen off a cliff without the Oulart contingent in the late noughties, and they were all trained by Mick Jacob Snr I am told.
tonydoranfan was on here saying that he knew every young hurler in Wexford and there was much better than the squad picked, but never came back to name one player after slander of Mick Jacob.
Beano now complaining about him getting sent off. We were getting nothing from the referee that day and the red mist does descend. Did you see Cody on Sunday? Liam Sheedy? You have to be out to fight for the borderline decisions some times and be vocal.
Who do you want involved with teams? No offence but I've heard of some utterly woeful coaches over football developent squads over the years and that is why we are getting annihilated by Longford and similar. Like would you rather Mattie Forde / Brian Malone / Whoever took over a football development squad or some man from a junior club who played football at club level 40 years ago?
I as a hurling player want ex players who have delivered at the top and fiercely competitive people like Mick Jacob, Keith Rossiter, Joe Kearns, David Redmond, etc to coach our teams. They won't all be top managers or coaches but there is no denying it is where to start. Every county now has ex hurlers over teams.
If I thought Wexford GAA would spend money on Derek McGrath or his like coaching at minor then I would have huge reservations if that is the best use of money. Lets be real, Derek doesn't love Laois hurling that much and even the Harriers lads have varying opinions. And having had training sessions done by some "high profile celebrity coaches" over the years in both college and club, I think they are mostly a waste of time and a sign of desperation." Full agree with final paragraph.
From my experience some of the best and most knowledge coaches around the county at the moment are people that the average casual hurling fan wouldn't be able to name.
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I think Dublin will beat Kilkenny, especially with Lawlor out now as he has plugged a prior problem area there and is among the best in his position. Ronan Hayes could be licking his lips. Dublin will physically out-match KK and they probably targeted taking them on in Parnell Park when the draw was made. Of course, if that comes to pass, and we get the expectant win vs Westmeath, it'll make our trip to Nowlan Park a smidge easier, as a draw would suffice for us to qualify.
I didn't mean my prior comment to be a missive against Jacob, more so a criticism at the absence of S and C at school's level and a lack of discipline on the sideline, which always looks worse at underage level. It smacks of unprofessionalism in a game that is becoming more and more modern. When you compare it to Laois, coming from Tier 2, but being competitive because they attracted a top quality coach. And the likes of Laois are always going to go for an established outsider where possible. Why wouldn't they? I know first-hand the time and energy it takes to commit to such a position, and I would be chuffed if more of the recent ex-county lads got on board.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I think the criticism of Mick Jacob is unfair. I don't know him but have a lot of respect for the man, one of my earliest memories is his winning goal in Croke Park v Kilkenny.
Wexford hurling would have fallen off a cliff without the Oulart contingent in the late noughties, and they were all trained by Mick Jacob Snr I am told.
tonydoranfan was on here saying that he knew every young hurler in Wexford and there was much better than the squad picked, but never came back to name one player after slander of Mick Jacob.
Beano now complaining about him getting sent off. We were getting nothing from the referee that day and the red mist does descend. Did you see Cody on Sunday? Liam Sheedy? You have to be out to fight for the borderline decisions some times and be vocal.
Who do you want involved with teams? No offence but I've heard of some utterly woeful coaches over football developent squads over the years and that is why we are getting annihilated by Longford and similar. Like would you rather Mattie Forde / Brian Malone / Whoever took over a football development squad or some man from a junior club who played football at club level 40 years ago?
I as a hurling player want ex players who have delivered at the top and fiercely competitive people like Mick Jacob, Keith Rossiter, Joe Kearns, David Redmond, etc to coach our teams. They won't all be top managers or coaches but there is no denying it is where to start. Every county now has ex hurlers over teams.
If I thought Wexford GAA would spend money on Derek McGrath or his like coaching at minor then I would have huge reservations if that is the best use of money. Lets be real, Derek doesn't love Laois hurling that much and even the Harriers lads have varying opinions. And having had training sessions done by some "high profile celebrity coaches" over the years in both college and club, I think they are mostly a waste of time and a sign of desperation." The minor was very disappointing!!!i was very disappointed with the tactics really or the speed at which they should have been changed!!!it was very evident that Derek McGrath set up with 2 sweepers or whatever u want to call it to make them very hard to beat,and Wexford for the whole first half pucked long ball down into the mix continuously and never looked like getting possession as they were completely outnumbered!!!Wexford had 3 and sometimes 4 backs free for short puck outs everytime and should have availed of them!!!laois won nearly all puckout and ran in numbers and Wexford forwards did not work which made things that little bit harder!!!lucky enough to go in 4 down at half time!!!to be fair in the second half Wexford changed tactics and did go short and ran at laois and they had no answer!!!the continuous screaming out of Noel carton and Richie Kehoe to run the ball seemed to be working,then a sickening blow as Simon Roche got a really harsh red 5 or 6 mins into second half which I thought was goin to be the end of the comeback,but to be fair those young lads kept working there socks off running at laois and defended really well!!Ben asple absolutely dominating at centre back and Charlie Rourke full back coming out with ball after ball!!!in the end we done enough to win with cillian Byrne coming of and on and bagging 3 goals a great finisher,paudi Doyle done Trojan work and took the game to them throughout and is a future star a great leader!!!I might add that we went a point up in added time and missed 3 easy chances to go 4 clear and then the dreaded last puck of the game goes through everyone straight to the net Wexford so unlucky!!!I seen Richie Kehoe fall to his knees like Cody when Mick Jacob done Kilkenny with a last min goal!!!overall I think Wexford were the better team and just got caugh at the end,if tac was changed earlier it think they would have won easy!!!I think we have a nice few hurlers coming off that team and they showed great character,the future is bright I think!!!!
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