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Proposals For 2Nd Tier Championship Pathetic

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Interesting weekend of voting coming up. How will the delegates of a predominantly hurling county like Tipp vote, will they take consideration the concerns of the footballers who are in Div 3 & vote against proposals for Tier 2 or just vote for it to keep the football down. Will the Congress delegates be influenced by the top table, will anyone have the guts to ask why the decision wasn't left till the Fixtures Schedule Committee finished & published their report.
Of course the answer is we won't have a clue who voted for what as they voted down the motion on transparency to show exactly how each delegate & county votes. This the supposed most democratic sports organisation in the country.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1072 - 18/10/2019 00:52:17    2244163

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Replying To dickie10:  "Please Pleasse someone tell me what if anything is wrong with this proposal?

Right starting off the national football league in 2 nd week of january. Obyrne cup/fbd etc are either got rid of or played as knockout games in novemeber for managers to test players. i would like to see december as a pure rest month for inter county.

League as states starts in 2nd week of January, finals played last sunday in March. if needs be still April free for clubs or if not then scrap that and start Provincial champonships late April say last sunday in April. Rounds are played every week therafter and Friday evenings are used say for Offaly v Laois or Meath v Kildare in home or away venue. eveings will be bright til 9;30 that time of year so 7:30 kick off if wanted. All provincial finals could be played either May bank holiday weekend or 2 nd week in May at latest.

Now this is what keeps the provincial championships relevant because were stuck with them. the draws will matter big time. The provincial finalists are seeded in Sam Maguire cup draws. which brings to the SAM Maguire cup. All 32 counties go into a draw for groups of 4 into 8 groups. the 8 provincial finalists are seeded. that means getting to your provincial final is a huge carrot.

this year you would have seeded teams , Kerry, Cork, Dublin,Meath,Donegal,Cavan, Galway and Rosscommon. they cant meet in draw everyone else is open draw. One home game , one away game and one in neutral venue or croker. top 2 into last 16 of Sam bottom 2 into tier 2 cup. both finals played same weekend. pure knock out football from the last 16"
You would hav so many hammerings in that it would be absolutely pointless

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 595 - 18/10/2019 11:04:02    2244199

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Interesting weekend of voting coming up. How will the delegates of a predominantly hurling county like Tipp vote, will they take consideration the concerns of the footballers who are in Div 3 & vote against proposals for Tier 2 or just vote for it to keep the football down. Will the Congress delegates be influenced by the top table, will anyone have the guts to ask why the decision wasn't left till the Fixtures Schedule Committee finished & published their report.
Of course the answer is we won't have a clue who voted for what as they voted down the motion on transparency to show exactly how each delegate & county votes. This the supposed most democratic sports organisation in the country."
Breheny's article in the independent on this was very good.

I hope it's voted down. It's only common sense to wait for the fixtures task force to finish their work.

It's so transparently being pushed through so that Horan can have his legacy.

That's completely the wrong motivation for meaningful change.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3214 - 19/10/2019 07:53:41    2244326

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Breheny's article in the independent on this was very good.

I hope it's voted down. It's only common sense to wait for the fixtures task force to finish their work.

It's so transparently being pushed through so that Horan can have his legacy.

That's completely the wrong motivation for meaningful change."
I agree 100% this is not the time for this and this is not the proper structure to go with, hopefully it'll be voted down.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 12198 - 19/10/2019 11:00:59    2244336

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how come the Rugby are not on about a tier 2 world cup they have perhaps 4 countries that can have any chance, a super 4 if you like, ireland can't even score against nz by the looks of it, no shame, but we are not at their level. Maybe the GAA are trying too hard to keep the provincial thing going, the provinces are holding a real tier 2 back

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1061 - 19/10/2019 12:20:52    2244341

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you cannot have the provincial championship and the 2 tier approach, said this for years. which system make the most money?

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1406 - 19/10/2019 14:11:30    2244360

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This competition will last about two years. But it will mean the elites pull further away. A sad day for the GAA. The turkeys have voted for Christmas.

fairly_shook (Leitrim) - Posts: 15 - 19/10/2019 15:27:28    2244374

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I've never been a supporter of a tiered football championship and I'd cast a very skeptical eye on what's to come.

Now the football championship does need a massive shot in the arm no doubt, the provincials are not fit for purpose anymore, but for me this is not the answer.

But anyway well done to all those who supported this motion, they wanted rid of the 'weaker' counties and they've got it done. I'm not sure why div3 & 4 counties supported this but I can throw a guess....€€€

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8620 - 19/10/2019 16:12:17    2244385

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A snub to weaker counties so the GAA & Sky can have more matches between the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal etc. This is destined to fail, just look at the 'promotion' the Joe McDonagh cup gets in hurling.

M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 429 - 19/10/2019 16:40:50    2244392

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And I'll bet none of the county delegates who voted for it asked any of their senior panels for their thoughts on it. The top brass are so far removed from grassroots now that it's worrying

fairly_shook (Leitrim) - Posts: 15 - 19/10/2019 16:51:40    2244394

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Replying To Htaem:  "I've never been a supporter of a tiered football championship and I'd cast a very skeptical eye on what's to come.

Now the football championship does need a massive shot in the arm no doubt, the provincials are not fit for purpose anymore, but for me this is not the answer.

But anyway well done to all those who supported this motion, they wanted rid of the 'weaker' counties and they've got it done. I'm not sure why div3 & 4 counties supported this but I can throw a guess....€€€"
Yeah in total agreement with that.
How many times will we have tommy Murphy version tried before they get the hint. IT WONT WORK.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17155 - 19/10/2019 16:53:40    2244395

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Very disappointed that this particular tier-2 format got voted in. That said, next year's Division Two and Three leagues will have some very high stakes matches. Not just relegation/promotion, but also places in the Sam Maguire at stake.

offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 135 - 19/10/2019 16:57:12    2244397

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Not sure if this is the solution but keeping things as the status quo would have been the worst option in my view, I'm willing to give this a go and see what happens

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2776 - 19/10/2019 16:58:09    2244398

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Can hear a lot of tickets for the states being booked by players for next summer as a result of this decision.

It's another kick in the teeth for the weaker counties.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1204 - 19/10/2019 17:11:05    2244405

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I can't see players really caring to play in this.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3214 - 19/10/2019 17:19:27    2244406

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Very sad day imo. GAA getting rid of the nuisance that are the div 3/4 teams otherwise known as the weaker counties. Players in these teams, make the same sacrifices that players from Dublin, Kerry etc. Now, they are going to in a second rate competition. Many will view the sacrifice not worth it. The media and TV coverage will view it, not to be worth it. The GAA will not spend to promote it. Players will now concentrate on their clubs and or head to America, where they will be better treated, than their own organisation at home. The best players within the county, will not be representing their counties, thus the standards will fall, while your larger county teams play each other on more regular basis and thus, keep improving. The gap will grow. This is nothing more, than a financial decision. I cannot understand how delegates from counties like my own could vote for this. There was no proper research conducted as to how it work properly. The obviously reason for these delegates voting in such a way, is that their county board will be rewarded for their loyalty....look at how Joe mcdonagh cup, nick rackard cup etc are treated......bad day all round!!!

Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 19/10/2019 17:41:07    2244408

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah in total agreement with that.
How many times will we have tommy Murphy version tried before they get the hint. IT WONT WORK."
It's a joke, Sky will probably ignore Tommy Murphy 2 completely, whereas worse still RTE will pay it the lipiest of all lip service, probably throw together a few condescensing packages hailing TMC2 as the best thing to ever happen Div3 & 4 teams.

But that will only last a couple of weeks, even the lip service will stop and there'll be just nothing then.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8620 - 19/10/2019 17:44:29    2244409

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Radical thought, but what about having the prize for the new tier 2 championship be the Sam Maguire Cup. Let the Big boys fight for a new unamed Premier Cup.

Juniorbleague (Westmeath) - Posts: 32 - 19/10/2019 18:00:23    2244414

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Replying To fairly_shook:  "This competition will last about two years. But it will mean the elites pull further away. A sad day for the GAA. The turkeys have voted for Christmas."
Sadly it won't last for 2 years it's here to stay. Future television and sponsorship deals both at central and county level will be signed on the basis of a tier Championship. This is the GAA's solution to the Dublin problem; Dublin and the GAA don't want to interfere with the finance Dublin are able to generate so have set up a system whereby the Mayo's, Kerry's, Tyrone's of this world can sign hugely lucative deals.

If there is a guarantee these counties will have significant media coverage every year playing blockbuster games in front of big crowds it opens up healthly financial streams on a medium/long term basis.

If tier two fails they'll try to move around the deck chairs, set up committees, consultations etc on how to improve it. But what will never be allowed to change from now is the Tier 1 Championship, too many contracts will be attached to that competition. It's a bad day for weaker/medium ability counties but a great day for the top brass and finanical state of the stronger counties.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 739 - 19/10/2019 18:01:55    2244415

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Let's hope it will get a proper name and not a (insert name) Cup, call the trophy after someone but not the competition, has anyone a suggestion of a name? How about Championship 2, I think someone mentioned that name before here do I'll them the credit

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 146 - 19/10/2019 18:22:06    2244418

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