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Monaghan'S Greatest Football Over The Last 50 Years

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I stumbled across the list of monaghans top 20 footballers earlier over the last 50 years that the independent are doing and surely Tommy freeman should be way higher up the list than no.10.. I'm also scratching my head wondering where the hell is the likes of gene sherry, Damien freeman, Gary mcquaid, dermott mc Ardle, Owen Lennon & Ryan Wylie on the list...
no disrespect to 3 or 4 lads that made the top 20 but yes great servants they were to monaghan but definitely not great footballers.......workhorses spring to mind...

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 28/05/2020 16:07:39    2279391

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Replying To mick2007:  "I stumbled across the list of monaghans top 20 footballers earlier over the last 50 years that the independent are doing and surely Tommy freeman should be way higher up the list than no.10.. I'm also scratching my head wondering where the hell is the likes of gene sherry, Damien freeman, Gary mcquaid, dermott mc Ardle, Owen Lennon & Ryan Wylie on the list...
no disrespect to 3 or 4 lads that made the top 20 but yes great servants they were to monaghan but definitely not great footballers.......workhorses spring to mind..."
what is the list?

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 735 - 28/05/2020 22:27:14    2279421

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It was in the Indo a few days ago. No problem with most of it but I think Owen Lennon nudges out Davy Byrne. Gene Sherry and Stephen McGinnitty should not only be on the list but should be in top half. Tommy at No 10 really reduces its credibility. If Gary McQuaid had got the All Star he so thoroughly deserved in 2007,then he would be on it.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 442 - 31/05/2020 13:04:01    2279581

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Monaghans top 20 over last 50 yrs, via Irish Independent

1. Eugene 'Nudie' Hughes

2. Conor McManus

3. Ciarán Murray

4. Eamonn McEneaney

5. Paul Finlay

6. Ray McCarron

7. Gerry McCarville

8. Rory Beggan

9. Hugo Clerkin

10. Tommy Freeman

11. Paddy Linden

12. Eamonn Tavey

13. David Byrne

14. Kieran Finlay

15. Declan Loughman

16. Dick Clerkin

17. Paddy Kerr

18. Darren Hughes

19. Vinny Corey

20. Drew Wylie

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 394 - 01/06/2020 21:03:41    2279681

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This article written by Independent, to accompany top 20 selection.


OF the 12 All Star awards won by Monaghan, Eugene 'Nudie' Hughes and Conor McManus have won six between them in a 3-3 split.

Who comes first? McManus, whose career still has some way to run, is certainly one of the best forwards of his generation, but we have opted for 'Nudie' at this stage on the basis of his versatility.

He won All Star awards at right-full back (1979) and left full-forward (1985 and 1988), joining an exclusive club reserved for players who have been honoured in both defence and attack.

'Nudie' was at right full-back when Monaghan powered their way to a first Ulster title for 41 years in 1979 before moving to attack on a team that won the county's first League title in 1985, followed by Ulster titles in 1985 and 1988. His days as a defensive rock were a big help as he sought to escape the vigorous attention of the close-marking brotherhood, especially in the Ulster championship.

McManus knows all about being a 'marked man' too, with opponents planning their defensive strategy around preventing him getting possession. Given the excellence of his finishing ability, that's understandable, even if how they go about it isn't always legal.

Ciarán Murray was one of the best centre-backs of the 1980s at a time when they tended to be less attack-minded than nowadays. He ignored that script, always seeking to go forward when he got possession.

He won an All Star award at No 6 in 1985, a year when Eamonn McEneaney was shamefully denied a similar honour in attack. He was the outstanding centre-forward that season, but was ruled ineligible arising from a dismissal in a seven-a-side tournament.

He was cleared to play in subsequent games on the same day but, bizarrely, was blocked from All Star selection under a ridiculous rule which prevented players who had been sent off - irrespective of the circumstances - from being considered for selection.

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 394 - 01/06/2020 21:07:08    2279682

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Eamon McEnaney shouldn't be on that list. He was a descent dead ball specialist at most. his scandalous miss management of Monaghan, overseeing us relegated and a debacle in the Athletic grounds against down where we blew a considerable lead.

latefortraining (Monaghan) - Posts: 46 - 02/06/2020 16:27:38    2279739

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I've only been going to Monaghan games for 40 years.. this would be my top ten..
1. Ciarán Murray
Rarely never set a foot wrong, he dominated his area of field, commanded what was going on in front of him, he had it all with the skill, athletisim and intelligence

2. Eugene 'Nudie' Hughes
As cute as you could get, he was the master of winning a free and a hard man as well..

3. Conor McManus
Accurate, skillful and has made a fool of many defenders, can still be infuriating.

4. Gerry McCarville
A Rock, the only player I saw get the better of him was the Bomber and that was when he took him out the field, he mastered him in the square,

5. Rory Beggan
Redfined the role of goalkeeper, even more than Cluxton, can land the ball on the head of a pin anywhere on the field

6. Ray McCarron
Pure skill and looked like he enjoyed every minute that he played.

7. Tommy Freeman
All speed and fury, I loved watching him high catch and turn as he was coming down, leaving defenders open mouthed watching in amazement,

8. Paul Finlay
What accuracy, always had time on the ball and could put the ball over from anywhere, no harm but Eamon McEnaney was not a patch on Jap.

9. Gene Sherry
Another rock whether in the corner or the square, A fearsome defender..

10. Paddy Linden
Nobody could get past Paddy, he was a giant in the goals.

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 735 - 02/06/2020 20:49:20    2279764

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I wouldn't have Eamon McEneaney that high, but at the same time I don't think his management record should be taken into account when you're ranking him as a footballer.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 03/06/2020 11:17:31    2279800

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Hard to argue with top 3 even if I would have mcmanus no 1 but after that there is debate to be had. Tommy Freeman should be top 5 or 6 he was outstanding for monaghan when at his peak and was deadly bearing down on goals great directness. Vinny Corey should be higher on the list v underrated player who was equally adept at man marking or an attacking half back. In fairness to eamonn mceneany forget his managerial career when he was on form as a player few better in his position. I remember attending ulster semi final as a young kid where he practically beat down on his own. Kieran Hughes on talent alone should be in top 10 but frustrated too often over the years or never nailed down a position to make the list.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1451 - 03/06/2020 15:12:23    2279820

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Replying To latefortraining:  "Eamon McEnaney shouldn't be on that list. He was a descent dead ball specialist at most. his scandalous miss management of Monaghan, overseeing us relegated and a debacle in the Athletic grounds against down where we blew a considerable lead."
Ridiculous comment that about his miss management..when you had a certain player or 2 in training questioning his every decision he was on a hiding to nothing.. unlike the Banty you always knew there was no agenda with Eamonn in his 20 odd years service as both a player and manager..
Was the likes of losing to a poor down and Fermanagh teams in semi finals under Malachi the same type of miss management....

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 06/06/2020 20:47:56    2280035

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Who picked this for Irish independent and suggested Dick is a better midfielder that Owen Lennon?

theborderfox (Monaghan) - Posts: 125 - 10/06/2020 10:06:10    2280249

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Replying To theborderfox:  "Who picked this for Irish independent and suggested Dick is a better midfielder that Owen Lennon?"
Martin Breheny

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 394 - 10/06/2020 11:57:32    2280269

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I suppose it wouldn't have anything to do with Dick having a column in the Independent, being on Sky etc, and just generally getting his face and name out there alot. Compared to Lennon who is more involved in coaching and isn't in the spotlight.

As with most of these sort of polls and lists, there's a large part of them that is a "popularity contest".

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 10/06/2020 12:39:59    2280274

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Replying To patk:  "I suppose it wouldn't have anything to do with Dick having a column in the Independent, being on Sky etc, and just generally getting his face and name out there alot. Compared to Lennon who is more involved in coaching and isn't in the spotlight.

As with most of these sort of polls and lists, there's a large part of them that is a "popularity contest"."
The independent lost all credibility with this farcical selection so I doubt the likes of Lennon, Ryan wylie, Colin Walsh, Gary mc quid, gene sherry are to worried about missing out .. genuinely I both laughed my head off and scratched it in equal measure when I originally read the list.. I was always convinced Martin Breheny wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed and this has only confirmed by suspicions... any true Monaghan supporter wouldn't pick a top 20 selection as bad as this.. if being a limited work horse gets you selected well stop the lights..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 10/06/2020 20:35:38    2280350

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