A few things as we wait for extra time here

1:- As of now, I really doubt Wexford have the bottle to see this through. This is twice now the game has been there and they haven't gotten over the line (so far), For 22 minutes today Clare where down to 13 men, Last day Wexford where ahead by 9 or 10 and threw it away, For me.

2:- Its a sham of a rule that Clare are now allowed to play extra time with their full compliment from here on in. (Was the same when Dublin went to ET v Wexford in 2011.

3:- Clare deserve massive credit from here, They have shown great heart and passion and hunger to get back into the game.

Still want the underdog to win, So come on Wexford, But if they dont do it, They will only have themselves to blame.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/07/2014 18:47:32    1617856

Well done Wexford, Commiserations to Clare

Two wonderful games.

Great entertainment.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/07/2014 19:14:58    1617878

Great entertainment from a neutrals point of view. Delighted for Wexford despite their own best efforts to throw it away. The Clare players for the most part went out like men

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 12/07/2014 19:23:25    1617893

Yeah two great games although the appalling display from the referee tonight is very worrying. I'm no conspiracy theorist but maybe the GAA would like to help get some new teams into the latter stages of the championship for the good of the game.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 12/07/2014 19:27:01    1617900

I'm not sure, I thought the ref was okay. Not perfect but no referee ever is. It's a tough job.

I'm presuming by your comment above that you believe the ref was harsh on Clare?

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/07/2014 19:45:38    1617932

Is it time for Davy to go?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 12/07/2014 20:29:16    1617976

Former poster disallowing a perfectly valid goal doesnt do much for your conspiracy theory.

As for the sending offs Bugler is to blame and Davey is to blame. Why did he leave browne on McGovern. If he had switched Morey on him then Morey could have also foulde McgOvern 3 times and got away with a yellow. In fairness the rules have to be in place to protect the player who wants to play.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 12/07/2014 20:40:48    1617987

Fair play to Wexford - great to see them being competitive again. Mighty display

The ref was very poor - made some big calls, mainly against Clare especially towards the end to help Wexford over the line..

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1418 - 12/07/2014 20:48:42    1617998

bert09
County: Meath
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1617976 Is it time for Davy to go?

Let's wait and see what Peter O'Connell of the Clare Champion thinks.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2482 - 12/07/2014 20:52:42    1618001

I dont buy the theories disillusiondfan but Cunningham and Conlon were pulled down at the end when a point down and both times free's went against them

He gave a free to a Wexford lad then when he pulled Donnellans hurl off him (right in front of the ref..

If I was a Clare man I would have been raging..

Also, I havent seen too many occasions in hurling matches where the Donnellan incident would have resulted in red - probably never seen it actually..

The Wexford goal before half time should have stood but in general, Clare have taken two really poor performances by ref's in this years championship - I think these lads and any county deserves better - allot better

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1418 - 12/07/2014 20:55:39    1618004

Will agree that the ref made some funny decisions tonight but I think its a bit rich to blame him for clares loss. They were completely outplayed throughout ordinary time and but for the legit wexford goal being disallowed and some woeful shooting by wexford clare could have taken a good trimming tonight.
Form of a number of the main clare men has been shocking this year. Also how in gods name was jack browne left on the same man in the run up to the 2nd sending off - you could see what was coming - surely a switch in the full back line was called for..

blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 12/07/2014 21:11:53    1618017

Clare deserve great credit for the battling effort they have shown over both days. Both games they performed way below their best but never threw the towel in and almost done it.
Wexford almost didn't want to get through it seems as they almost invented new ways of blowing a game.
Some woeful shooting in two days in which they dominated almost coat them dearly

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/07/2014 21:24:02    1618029

Well done Wexford.

The structures down there are really paying dividends.

Gonna be difficult playing again next weekend though.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3743 - 13/07/2014 09:07:24    1618078

Who would have thought Clare footballers would still be in championship after hurlers had exited??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/07/2014 09:08:11    1618079

One thing that frustrates me and has for a long while is that the punishment of being a man down does not fit the crime. The handicap of losing a player is absolutely huge and in most games your fate is decided when you lose a man (Look at Pat Horgan, henry Shelfin and Ryan O'Dwyer last year when their teams went a man down). For Clare to hang on with only 13 men for 25 minutes was incredible.

Red cards should only be for very very serious offences. We seen Brendan Bugler have a wild enough swipe at the Wexford player but we are deluding ourselves if we think that kind of thing doesn't go on off the ball all of the time. There are usually a few wild pulls any time there's any kind of pile-up. To single this incident and ignore the others is frustrating. This is back to the old problem of consistency.

The same with Jack Browne. There was no malice or danger in dragging the player down. The penalty for that kind of thing should be a simple free-in. It's not even a yellow card. The frontal charge by the Wexford player on Tony Kelly for example posed a far bigger danger and there was not even a yellow card for that. To be sent-off you need to be committing a completely reckless or danger challenge. Dragging a man down should not be a sending-off.

The referee and linesmen should be able to go through a game without being noticed. Once again we are debating their decisions after a game. Why create trouble for themselves by singling out certain incidents every so often and letting others pass.

When the game was Wexford 2-23 and Clare 2-22, Clare had a blatant free-in and the ref gave a free-out. Again that kind of thing ultimately decides games because Wexford got a point from the resulting free and instead of going for a point, Clare need a goal.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 13/07/2014 09:40:25    1618087

People are not giving Wexford the proper credit for this. Given where both teams are coming from this is equivalent of Armagh beating Dubs in football. So hats off to the yella bellies. They are back!

There was some wayward shooting but I put that down to the tension of the occasion. Two best games of the year by far. So far!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 13/07/2014 10:04:26    1618101

Johnny Ryan was not the difference between the 2 teams last night. Wexford were denied a perfectly legitimate goal for what seems a square ball decision. That was a poor decision and fair play to Wexford they got on with the game and did not let that decision affect them.
They finished the stronger and the subs they brought in made a big difference. A big night for Wexford hurling and for Clare they have a year to ponder in what might have been. That's sport!

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 13/07/2014 13:51:07    1618209

Clare got everything in Ennis last week. There would have been no replay if not for the ref.

Ryan was poor last night but on the balance of the 2 games the right team went through. These things happen in sport.

How can anybody say Brown didn't deserve it ?? The clear tactic was to fowl McGovern every time he got the ball. That was 100% deserved. You can't let lads away with that.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2736 - 13/07/2014 14:26:51    1618223

nobody taking away from wexford on both days they were the better team
but on both days had the game won numerous times and blew it.
clare had men sent off both days had 10 point deficit first day and 13 men only second day for long period of match
so you have to give them huge credit as they were not playing well at all but still brought both games to extra time.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/07/2014 15:46:51    1618279

hill16no1man

Indeed. That's what champions are made of but a more clinical side than us would have hammered them out of sight

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2736 - 13/07/2014 16:02:25    1618299