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Format Of Club Championships 2020

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Replying To soreknee:  "I think the decision will be made next week. A lot of teams back training anyway just in case.
Looking like 2 rounds of football and possibly one hurling?"
2 rounds in April ruin the club championship, can you imagine a team losing 2 games, all you'll see is lads booking flights to America for the summer

Moorehead (Westmeath) - Posts: 105 - 15/01/2020 18:22:04    2260056

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Replying To Moorehead:  "2 rounds in April ruin the club championship, can you imagine a team losing 2 games, all you'll see is lads booking flights to America for the summer"
Sure it will be grand, nothing agreed yet but whats new. Underage (odds or evens) still hanging and clubs trying to find coaches for teams and still not knowing what age groups will be for year ahead. Groundhog day yet again.

Convert2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 16 - 16/01/2020 08:42:39    2260129

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Yes it does ruin our club championship which has been excellent over the last number of years.

Unfortunately with the possibility of Westmeath playing longer in the summer in a Tier 2 championship & with the first round of Leinster club matches brought back two weeks, there is no alternative.

Change on this issue will need to come from the top level in the GAA. For club football to prosper in the future, the number of inter county matches needs to seriously reduce. However, the GAA will not bite the hand that feeds it.

ondeball (Westmeath) - Posts: 101 - 16/01/2020 09:06:59    2260131

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Replying To ondeball:  "Yes it does ruin our club championship which has been excellent over the last number of years.

Unfortunately with the possibility of Westmeath playing longer in the summer in a Tier 2 championship & with the first round of Leinster club matches brought back two weeks, there is no alternative.

Change on this issue will need to come from the top level in the GAA. For club football to prosper in the future, the number of inter county matches needs to seriously reduce. However, the GAA will not bite the hand that feeds it."
You say there's no alternative but I'm not convinced. If memory serves me right both st lomans and garrycastle had a 5 week break between group stage and semi final and another 3 week break between semi final and final. I know there were quarter finals played in that time too but why not play every 2 weeks and that's an 8 week window broken down to a 6 week window straight away and your Leinster championship will start 2 weeks after the county final like always and there's that problem solved

Iarmhi04 (Westmeath) - Posts: 27 - 16/01/2020 12:48:23    2260180

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Replying To Iarmhi04:  "You say there's no alternative but I'm not convinced. If memory serves me right both st lomans and garrycastle had a 5 week break between group stage and semi final and another 3 week break between semi final and final. I know there were quarter finals played in that time too but why not play every 2 weeks and that's an 8 week window broken down to a 6 week window straight away and your Leinster championship will start 2 weeks after the county final like always and there's that problem solved"
You obviously think dual players don't exist.

Lets deal with facts. Here was the fixture list from last year:

17th/18th August - Football R5 Group Stage
30/31st August - Hurling R5 Group Stage
7th/8th September -Football Quarter Final
15th September - Hurling Quarter Final
21st/22nd September - Football Semi Finals
29th September - Hurling Semi Final
13th October - Football Final
20th October - Hurling Final

A dual player played every week up to the semi-finals. This is before any allowance for potential playoffs & replys.

Now add in Westmeath potentially staying longer in the championship, losing a weekend due to the Fleadh and the club championship being brought back two weeks.

So no, the problem is not solved.

ondeball (Westmeath) - Posts: 101 - 16/01/2020 16:12:44    2260251

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Replying To ondeball:  "You obviously think dual players don't exist.

Lets deal with facts. Here was the fixture list from last year:

17th/18th August - Football R5 Group Stage
30/31st August - Hurling R5 Group Stage
7th/8th September -Football Quarter Final
15th September - Hurling Quarter Final
21st/22nd September - Football Semi Finals
29th September - Hurling Semi Final
13th October - Football Final
20th October - Hurling Final

A dual player played every week up to the semi-finals. This is before any allowance for potential playoffs & replys.

Now add in Westmeath potentially staying longer in the championship, losing a weekend due to the Fleadh and the club championship being brought back two weeks.

So no, the problem is not solved."
Given that championships are being squeezed from both sides as you say, games in April are understandable, even though I'd prefer if they didn't have to happen. But, if they do put games on in April, I think it's really unfair for teams to not know until mid January that this will be the case. Training regimes will be completely different depending on what stage of the season it is and coaches will need to alter their training schedules accordingly. I don't see why this couldn't have been decided a couple of months ago and at least everyone would know where they stood and could plan properly for it.

anon (None) - Posts: 327 - 17/01/2020 09:19:24    2260386

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Why the huge rush to get the leagues run off? Surely the last few rounds could be in October, when the weather is usually better than in March or April

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1708 - 17/01/2020 23:09:15    2260544

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As a player, running the leagues off early & playing the finals in June was an excellent decision by the county board. Regardless of weather, nobody wants to be still playing league matches in October / November when you are out of the championship.

ondeball (Westmeath) - Posts: 101 - 18/01/2020 15:36:42    2260600

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Replying To valley84:  "Why the huge rush to get the leagues run off? Surely the last few rounds could be in October, when the weather is usually better than in March or April"
Teams that get knocked out of championship in
August or September will not want to go out in October to play a nothing league game.
Getting the league done before championship has been a huge success.
If I'm not wrong 95% of league games in the last 3 years have been played without any games being walk overs which gives more games for our players to improve

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 18/01/2020 17:32:34    2260623

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Replying To ondeball:  "As a player, running the leagues off early & playing the finals in June was an excellent decision by the county board. Regardless of weather, nobody wants to be still playing league matches in October / November when you are out of the championship."
The leagues should be just as important as the championship
Do players want to be finished the season in September or October?
There are plenty of junior b footballers and hurlers still playing championship in November and often in December

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1708 - 18/01/2020 19:41:55    2260653

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Replying To valley84:  "The leagues should be just as important as the championship
Do players want to be finished the season in September or October?
There are plenty of junior b footballers and hurlers still playing championship in November and often in December"
Agree the leagues just as important as the championship. More games and a settled structure with chance of playing in a final and getting promoted. Everything in its own time.. Bloods younger players in adult games as well. Prepares everyone for championship later in year. If it is not broken, no need to fix it.

Convert2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 16 - 19/01/2020 08:49:09    2260700

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Draft planning report for football now with clubs in advance of tomorrow night's county board meeting.
No mention of dates for championship. Leagues to start Feb 23rd.
Senior and Inter formats to stay the same.
Junior restructured into Junior 1 (2 groups of 6 = 8 junior and 4 senior that came out of their groups last year)
Junior 2: at least 6 second teams from senior / inter clubs
Junior B (not full championship) : second team of all other clubs
U19 league and championship - assumed to be dependent on restructured underage grades to odd years and to replace U20 ?
Maybe they will play a one-off U20 this year just to cater for this years lads who would miss out otherwise.

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 659 - 21/01/2020 13:47:07    2261325

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So the draft planning report was adopted at tonight's County Board meeting. Also uneven age grades carried by just a couple of votes I believe. At least the club can get on with it now. Interesting to see when U19 league and championship will be played. What about all the lads expecting to play U20 this year ?

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 659 - 22/01/2020 23:24:42    2261690

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Replying To BigSur:  "So the draft planning report was adopted at tonight's County Board meeting. Also uneven age grades carried by just a couple of votes I believe. At least the club can get on with it now. Interesting to see when U19 league and championship will be played. What about all the lads expecting to play U20 this year ?"
So what were the main points in it anyone?

upyabhoy (Westmeath) - Posts: 22 - 23/01/2020 09:41:04    2261716

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Replying To BigSur:  "So the draft planning report was adopted at tonight's County Board meeting. Also uneven age grades carried by just a couple of votes I believe. At least the club can get on with it now. Interesting to see when U19 league and championship will be played. What about all the lads expecting to play U20 this year ?"
So the under age structure has officially changed to U-13, U-15 and U-17??

the21yardline (Westmeath) - Posts: 119 - 23/01/2020 10:04:43    2261723

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Any word on starting dates for senior championships?

Westy (Westmeath) - Posts: 34 - 23/01/2020 10:17:37    2261725

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Championship to start in April. With one round for football and hurling
This will really mess up the great league structure that has been put in place the last 3 years.
Players that only play one code will not like this decision.

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 23/01/2020 10:47:46    2261732

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Replying To Temple56:  "Championship to start in April. With one round for football and hurling
This will really mess up the great league structure that has been put in place the last 3 years.
Players that only play one code will not like this decision."
Dates?

Westy (Westmeath) - Posts: 34 - 23/01/2020 10:52:57    2261734

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Junior football championship changed with two groups of junior clubs and second teams of four senior clubs, two groups of six, junior 2 competition for second teams of other senior clubs and intermediate clubs, underage structures changed to 13, 15 and 17. New under 19 competition. Senior and intermediate football as previously with one round on third weekend in April, senior and senior b and intermediate hurling championships on first weekend in April, last county final scheduled for 11th October. Senior and intermediate championships to recommence on 12th July. League finals on 5th July in football. Meeting was chaired by Frank Mescall. Did a superb job.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 23/01/2020 11:04:56    2261738

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Replying To Bellewest:  "Junior football championship changed with two groups of junior clubs and second teams of four senior clubs, two groups of six, junior 2 competition for second teams of other senior clubs and intermediate clubs, underage structures changed to 13, 15 and 17. New under 19 competition. Senior and intermediate football as previously with one round on third weekend in April, senior and senior b and intermediate hurling championships on first weekend in April, last county final scheduled for 11th October. Senior and intermediate championships to recommence on 12th July. League finals on 5th July in football. Meeting was chaired by Frank Mescall. Did a superb job."
Gone to U19, U17, U15, U13, U11, U9 and now U7

Don't know why this wasn't decided last October or November.

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1708 - 23/01/2020 20:38:08    2261843

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