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Ah stop no talking to some lads. Look at it what ever way you want but it seems to me some on here are leaving the bitterness get the better of them. You say Wexford had us bet but imploded did Cork not have ye bet also in last years semi. Struggled again Laois really ? Win by 20 points ah sur ye only bet Laois, win by 10 ye struggled to beat Laois. Ye are saying Limerick hammered us this year. Correct. Did Clare hammer ye last year. Similar all Ireland's if you look at them.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1270 - 06/09/2019 12:20:20    2233265

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Ah stop no talking to some lads. Look at it what ever way you want but it seems to me some on here are leaving the bitterness get the better of them. You say Wexford had us bet but imploded did Cork not have ye bet also in last years semi. Struggled again Laois really ? Win by 20 points ah sur ye only bet Laois, win by 10 ye struggled to beat Laois. Ye are saying Limerick hammered us this year. Correct. Did Clare hammer ye last year. Similar all Ireland's if you look at them."
The Clare game was not a provincial final. I cant remember an AI winner so badly beaten in a provincial final. It normally knocks a team back so much they find it hard to recover. Laois and wexford is where tipp got very lucky for this reason. I'm far from bitter just disappointed we didn't show our potential potential against kk and the obvious umoure error that vanr be overestimated how crucial a decision that was. Imagine it was cody or sherry were on the receiving end of that decision.

Well done to tipp for beating who was put in front of them. All they could do sure.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 427 - 06/09/2019 12:52:11    2233275

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Soft side of draw ? Did ye not get Carlow last year ? Any all Ireland champions deserve respect just as Limerick were great champions last year.Dealer you have a lot of ifs and only for in your post, all Ireland's aren't won on ifs, buts or only for....."
Hold on now. Tipp are worthy champions, bur regardless of Carlow, (BTW what is wrong with Carlow- they drew with Galway earlier in the year) Limerick last year beat the league champions and the finalists, the All Ireland Champions and the previous years runners up, the Leinster Champions and the Leinster runners up and the Munster Champions, so even if we lost to Clare, in a game which at a certain level opened up our season, our boys still took out a lot of big guns in '18. However best of luck to Tipp and we eagerly look forward to 2020

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2284 - 06/09/2019 12:56:01    2233278

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Replying To daveboy:  "The Clare game was not a provincial final. I cant remember an AI winner so badly beaten in a provincial final. It normally knocks a team back so much they find it hard to recover. Laois and wexford is where tipp got very lucky for this reason. I'm far from bitter just disappointed we didn't show our potential potential against kk and the obvious umoure error that vanr be overestimated how crucial a decision that was. Imagine it was cody or sherry were on the receiving end of that decision.

Well done to tipp for beating who was put in front of them. All they could do sure."
Apologies for predictive...I was in a hurry!!!

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 427 - 06/09/2019 13:12:31    2233286

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Replying To Dealer:  "I don't think so. Tipp got hammered in the Munster Final and were lucky to escape with just the beating that they got on the day. That spun them into the soft side of the draw with a quarter final against Laois. KK won against Limerick because of the linesman and Tipp won the final because Cathal Barrett took a swan dive before halftime. Tipp might have the cup but that doesn't mean that they're the best team. They're the luckiest one because they avoided both Limerick and Galway in the All Ireland series. You'll need to find a different parish than the Limerick forum for validation.

Of course, everyone is too polite to say it in the media but that's the view that you'll get outside Tipp. Go back to back if you're really after respect."
I don't think we in limerick realise how huge a loss hannon was in the kk match. He was effectively out of the match from the 12th minute on...I know one player doesn't win a match but his loss in the hb line and his presence there to work the line and ability to get the ball to the inside line for me was the reason we lost. Panic didn't set in but the efficiency of our hurling back there was not what it would have been if deccie was running the show.

A huge pity he didn't get through the match but these things happen.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 427 - 06/09/2019 13:24:53    2233291

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Hannon was one of the reasons Limerick lost but it's not because he wasnt on for the full game. It was because he was left on too long. It was a gamble that didn't come off. They were way too slow in taking him off. Nash came on and played a blinder. And besides Hannon it was the wides which seem to never go away. Double digits every game

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1166 - 07/09/2019 21:07:25    2233478

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Hannon was one of the reasons Limerick lost but it's not because he wasnt on for the full game. It was because he was left on too long. It was a gamble that didn't come off. They were way too slow in taking him off. Nash came on and played a blinder. And besides Hannon it was the wides which seem to never go away. Double digits every game"
I agree to an extent. The limerick tactic over the last 3 years when it comes to shooting is to shoot when free to shoot. They're mindset is if we create 44 scoring chances and score 28 we'll win the game. The work rate and savage tackling creates those scoring chances and kiely doesn't mind lads hitting wides. It worked in 18. It didn't work in 19. Now it's easy to say we need to be more accurate but unlike football and Dublin who don't shoot outside the 45 hurling is a split second game. The solution clearly is for the players to be more accurate but that's sometimes easier said than done especially as the game wears on and minds tire. The subs bench normally kicks in here and gets them over the line.

In an ideal world kiely would target this area of the team and hopefully it will bear fruition. We all know that wides are the problem here but the solution is not straight forward due to the game plan. I'm not sure a forwards coach or a tactical coach can solve this but I'd love to be proven wrong.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 427 - 08/09/2019 10:18:25    2233511

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Ah stop no talking to some lads. Look at it what ever way you want but it seems to me some on here are leaving the bitterness get the better of them. You say Wexford had us bet but imploded did Cork not have ye bet also in last years semi. Struggled again Laois really ? Win by 20 points ah sur ye only bet Laois, win by 10 ye struggled to beat Laois. Ye are saying Limerick hammered us this year. Correct. Did Clare hammer ye last year. Similar all Ireland's if you look at them."
We got hammered by Clare Last year when playing our third match in a fortnight. No one had won a game when playing for the third sunday in a row until Clare this year and it could be argued that getting hammered by us in their second outing did not test or tire them. Realtmo no one sought to demean Tipps win but since you started it I think you should hear the facts. 1. We put out the B team against Tipp in Thurles and Tipp struggled to win and needed an illegal goal where Callin threw the ball on the ground to win. 2 after a two week break Tipp got hammered in a Munster final and 3 a poster on here said that people outside Tipp know that Tipp weren't the best team this year but in fact almost everyone I know from Tipp actually admit that themselves and I have never seen a group of fams so low key after winning an All Ireland. Enjoy your All ireland by all means but its not a win that brings bragging rights with it at least n0ot ones that bear up to any scrutiny.

welpastit (Limerick) - Posts: 692 - 08/09/2019 19:22:52    2233621

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Replying To daveboy:  "I agree to an extent. The limerick tactic over the last 3 years when it comes to shooting is to shoot when free to shoot. They're mindset is if we create 44 scoring chances and score 28 we'll win the game. The work rate and savage tackling creates those scoring chances and kiely doesn't mind lads hitting wides. It worked in 18. It didn't work in 19. Now it's easy to say we need to be more accurate but unlike football and Dublin who don't shoot outside the 45 hurling is a split second game. The solution clearly is for the players to be more accurate but that's sometimes easier said than done especially as the game wears on and minds tire. The subs bench normally kicks in here and gets them over the line.

In an ideal world kiely would target this area of the team and hopefully it will bear fruition. We all know that wides are the problem here but the solution is not straight forward due to the game plan. I'm not sure a forwards coach or a tactical coach can solve this but I'd love to be proven wrong."
makes an excellent point here re shots taken and percentage of points vs. wides, in in a game that's being played at semmingly ever increasing speed. Well said!

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1068 - 08/09/2019 23:43:56    2233703

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Soft side of draw ? Did ye not get Carlow last year ? Any all Ireland champions deserve respect just as Limerick were great champions last year.Dealer you have a lot of ifs and only for in your post, all Ireland's aren't won on ifs, buts or only for....."
I'm impressed that your still coming back to me. They way that I wrote the post was deliberately designed to provoke and infuriate but you kept the answer between the ditches.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 685 - 09/09/2019 13:45:07    2233847

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Replying To daveboy:  "I agree to an extent. The limerick tactic over the last 3 years when it comes to shooting is to shoot when free to shoot. They're mindset is if we create 44 scoring chances and score 28 we'll win the game. The work rate and savage tackling creates those scoring chances and kiely doesn't mind lads hitting wides. It worked in 18. It didn't work in 19. Now it's easy to say we need to be more accurate but unlike football and Dublin who don't shoot outside the 45 hurling is a split second game. The solution clearly is for the players to be more accurate but that's sometimes easier said than done especially as the game wears on and minds tire. The subs bench normally kicks in here and gets them over the line.

In an ideal world kiely would target this area of the team and hopefully it will bear fruition. We all know that wides are the problem here but the solution is not straight forward due to the game plan. I'm not sure a forwards coach or a tactical coach can solve this but I'd love to be proven wrong."
Definitely agree with a lot of this. I suppose where you'd think a forwards coach could improve is to help players recognise the times when they do have that extra second and to steady up before taking the shot. Now on a match day scenario in the hear of battle when the wind is blowing across and your mind is going at 100 miles an hour it's still easier said than done.
It's just there were numerous occasions in that semi where lads weren't under that much pressure and still put the ball wide. Those were the ones that really killed us. It wasn't that one particular player was having an off day either. it seemed to be happening across the board. Even Gillane who was well on top of his man put a few wide.
Teams had studied us to death. We weren't able to get as many chances off. In days like that we need to be more accurate. If we are being honest we were probably behind a lot of the top teams this year when it came to chances converted.
We just about got away with it in a few games last year. I'd be hopeful that there will be an improvement next year. There has to be if we are to challenge for more silverware.

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 106 - 09/09/2019 16:59:53    2233910

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Replying To Mads:  "Definitely agree with a lot of this. I suppose where you'd think a forwards coach could improve is to help players recognise the times when they do have that extra second and to steady up before taking the shot. Now on a match day scenario in the hear of battle when the wind is blowing across and your mind is going at 100 miles an hour it's still easier said than done.
It's just there were numerous occasions in that semi where lads weren't under that much pressure and still put the ball wide. Those were the ones that really killed us. It wasn't that one particular player was having an off day either. it seemed to be happening across the board. Even Gillane who was well on top of his man put a few wide.
Teams had studied us to death. We weren't able to get as many chances off. In days like that we need to be more accurate. If we are being honest we were probably behind a lot of the top teams this year when it came to chances converted.
We just about got away with it in a few games last year. I'd be hopeful that there will be an improvement next year. There has to be if we are to challenge for more silverware."
TJ Reid is the classic example of what you touch on here. TJ always takes that extra second or two to assess what his options are. This type of composure comes with experience and a sense of self control that comes with playing in croke park 25-30times.

Limericks attack against kk at times didnt show this under the ultimate physical and psychological pressure. These lads will learn massively for the experience and harsh lesson. Limerick will be contending for the next 5 years minimum but we all know it's not handed to you.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 427 - 09/09/2019 19:22:04    2233941

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Experience doesnt always bring composure. I do recognise the lack of experience amongst the forwards but I just feel it wont automatically come right with more trips to Croke park. They have double digit wides on whatever pitch they play.It's a problem that needs addressing.
It's a touch ironic that a team are so precise in their passing from the goalie out to midfield and beyond but then have a 'scattergun' approach to shooting. The frustration is evident from the fans to the players. Turn 5 sides into points v Kilkenny and they would have run out easy winners.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1166 - 10/09/2019 10:27:43    2234046

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Experience doesnt always bring composure. I do recognise the lack of experience amongst the forwards but I just feel it wont automatically come right with more trips to Croke park. They have double digit wides on whatever pitch they play.It's a problem that needs addressing.
It's a touch ironic that a team are so precise in their passing from the goalie out to midfield and beyond but then have a 'scattergun' approach to shooting. The frustration is evident from the fans to the players. Turn 5 sides into points v Kilkenny and they would have run out easy winners."
The single biggest issue for Limerick is their accuracy and scoring conversion which is why I'm a big proponent of having a specialist forward coach work with the panel. Better scoring technique can be practiced. Also I'm curious about the new S&C coach. I'm guessing that Joe O'Connor is still going to be in the background or I'm hoping that so at least.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 685 - 10/09/2019 11:41:48    2234079

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Not Senior but what do people make of the appointments for the Minor & Under 20 teams for next year?
Diarmuid Mullins seemed to do a good job this year, won Munster which probably was not expected but were well beaten by Kilkenny in the All Ireland semi
Paul Beary only had the one game in charge after such a late appointment but had a decent year previously with Na Piarsaigh

higgins (Limerick) - Posts: 220 - 13/09/2019 10:47:45    2234969

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Disappointed with the appointments to be honest. The minors were bereft of composure and a coherent plan against an inferior Kilkenny team who gave them a lesson in efficiency. A Limerick team with plenty of possession and aimless shooting...your typical Limerick team strategy which we had hoped was consigned to the History books.
The under 20s weren't at the races at all. So you cant say much positive about the 2 managers except they may be better next year. It's the grades underneath minor that are slipping badly. The talent isnt as strong as it was but there is a definite slipping in the academy.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1166 - 14/09/2019 11:19:07    2235169

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Disappointed with the appointments to be honest. The minors were bereft of composure and a coherent plan against an inferior Kilkenny team who gave them a lesson in efficiency. A Limerick team with plenty of possession and aimless shooting...your typical Limerick team strategy which we had hoped was consigned to the History books.
The under 20s weren't at the races at all. So you cant say much positive about the 2 managers except they may be better next year. It's the grades underneath minor that are slipping badly. The talent isnt as strong as it was but there is a definite slipping in the academy."
I think you are being unfair to the minor management of 2019. They had a team that was believed by most observers in Limerick to be average at best with little chance of progressing. They had a clear game plan and after a shaky start vs Cork in 1st round they settled and improved with every game in Munster. We are surely not so spoilt yet that a minor Munster title is not regarded as success.
No doubt things went wrong against KK but they still had a clear strategy. Unfortunately the team underperformed on the day. Some of this in fairness was probably due to the 4 week layoff that affected all other teams also.
Considering the lack of scoring forwards on the team I would say the year was a big success at minor level.
It's hard to tell at u20s when there is no 2nd chance

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 851 - 14/09/2019 14:54:47    2235201

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Replying To Westfester:  "I think you are being unfair to the minor management of 2019. They had a team that was believed by most observers in Limerick to be average at best with little chance of progressing. They had a clear game plan and after a shaky start vs Cork in 1st round they settled and improved with every game in Munster. We are surely not so spoilt yet that a minor Munster title is not regarded as success.
No doubt things went wrong against KK but they still had a clear strategy. Unfortunately the team underperformed on the day. Some of this in fairness was probably due to the 4 week layoff that affected all other teams also.
Considering the lack of scoring forwards on the team I would say the year was a big success at minor level.
It's hard to tell at u20s when there is no 2nd chance"
100% agree very harsh,the minor team done extremely well,think the management can improve but to judge after one game is shocking.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 466 - 15/09/2019 21:10:13    2235799

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Disappointed with the appointments to be honest. The minors were bereft of composure and a coherent plan against an inferior Kilkenny team who gave them a lesson in efficiency. A Limerick team with plenty of possession and aimless shooting...your typical Limerick team strategy which we had hoped was consigned to the History books.
The under 20s weren't at the races at all. So you cant say much positive about the 2 managers except they may be better next year. It's the grades underneath minor that are slipping badly. The talent isnt as strong as it was but there is a definite slipping in the academy."
Clueless post. This years minor team defied all expectations with the year they had and showed phenomenally well given the performances of this group in the under 14/15/16 tournaments of the last few years. Credit to the management team for getting the max out of this group of players. The u20 team started very late last year which was a big disappointment and good to see the management team in place in a timely fashion this year. Again, not much was expected of that particular group and injuries to key players meant they had very little chance in the knockout away to eventual all Ireland finalists Cork.

McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 362 - 16/09/2019 09:27:20    2235937

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Replying To Westfester:  "I think you are being unfair to the minor management of 2019. They had a team that was believed by most observers in Limerick to be average at best with little chance of progressing. They had a clear game plan and after a shaky start vs Cork in 1st round they settled and improved with every game in Munster. We are surely not so spoilt yet that a minor Munster title is not regarded as success.
No doubt things went wrong against KK but they still had a clear strategy. Unfortunately the team underperformed on the day. Some of this in fairness was probably due to the 4 week layoff that affected all other teams also.
Considering the lack of scoring forwards on the team I would say the year was a big success at minor level.
It's hard to tell at u20s when there is no 2nd chance"
We didn't have a competitive group at U20 level this year so I don't think that management team which was appointed very late had much opportunity to either distinguish or disappoint themselves.

I thought that the minors were good. I noticed the spread of clubs that were involved which is a positive indicator

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 685 - 16/09/2019 10:20:23    2235959

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