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I was at the game Saturday evening, we weren't as bad as scoreline would suggest a few fare sloppy goals to give away near the end put dampener on things but at saying that we were still out classed. Iain Corbett give Aidan Oshea a good game of it, Paul White had the better of Cian Hanley who is only back from aussie rules. Seamus Ocarroll should have started he did well when he came on and in my opinion is our best forward. Our shooting was terrible at times and we gave away possession cheaply and seldom had we supporting runners on the counter attack. But in fairness Mayo are a few level well above us Cillian O'connor was unplayable in full forward,Ger Gafferkey and Keith Higgins were like 2 brick walls in the full back line, the Mayo midfield and half back line won most of the games possession and when Lee Keegan and Andy Moran came on Mayo went up a gear again.

The year over now next year we have to get guys back on the panel. Hugh Bourke, Michael Donavan, Tommy and Robert Childs, Brian Fanning, Stephen Cahill, Cian Sheehan, Sean Flanagan are lads off the top of my head that would improve the panel. The football clubs in Limerick should be questioning the county board on the state of the game in Limerick and what effort is made to get our best panel out on the field.

1 thing with underage development the guys over football in Limerick have to campaign to the munster council to let an amalgamation of West Limerick colleges into corn ui mhuiri before football dies altogether in Limerick.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 520 - 11/06/2018 22:36:38    2110295

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The scoreline was unkind to Limerick but Mayo weren't in top gear either. It's a pity that some of the forwards selfishly took on shots from crazy angles with their weaker feet and all. All 6 forwards (Neville, Lee, Fitzgibbon, Liston, Nash and McSweeney) were taken off last Saturday. What does that tell us about the team?
We played a back in the wing forward position for 60 minutes who didn't seem to know what his role was. We coughed up cheap possession trying to solo passed some of the best backs in the country like Barrett, Durcan, Boyle and Keith Higgins. From 13 league and 4 championship games over the past 2 years, we have no defined method of play other than 13 men crowding around the D. When we do have possession, each man runs as far as he can with the ball before turning around and going backwards or laterally.
Limerick need to put the money into a big name football manager who can lift the county. This hasn't happened since Liam Kerins and Mickey Ned, we've gone for mediocrity since then with ordinary club level managers. Is this going to happen? Probably not. Hurling is the cash cow, nothing must affect it.

The question, what next for Limerick Football?
Answer: More of the same

whitefire (Limerick) - Posts: 177 - 14/06/2018 00:09:06    2111352

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Replying To whitefire:  "The scoreline was unkind to Limerick but Mayo weren't in top gear either. It's a pity that some of the forwards selfishly took on shots from crazy angles with their weaker feet and all. All 6 forwards (Neville, Lee, Fitzgibbon, Liston, Nash and McSweeney) were taken off last Saturday. What does that tell us about the team?
We played a back in the wing forward position for 60 minutes who didn't seem to know what his role was. We coughed up cheap possession trying to solo passed some of the best backs in the country like Barrett, Durcan, Boyle and Keith Higgins. From 13 league and 4 championship games over the past 2 years, we have no defined method of play other than 13 men crowding around the D. When we do have possession, each man runs as far as he can with the ball before turning around and going backwards or laterally.
Limerick need to put the money into a big name football manager who can lift the county. This hasn't happened since Liam Kerins and Mickey Ned, we've gone for mediocrity since then with ordinary club level managers. Is this going to happen? Probably not. Hurling is the cash cow, nothing must affect it.

The question, what next for Limerick Football?
Answer: More of the same"
Fully agree White fire. Its not so long ago we had the best coaches in the Country training Limerick (i.e. Cian O'Neill, Donie Buckley) ; Over 50 players for whatever reason decided not to get involved with Limerick this year. We need to make it attractive again for players to put their hand up for the coming year - the only way we can achieve this is by bringing in a high profile name. Also lets not forget - as recent as 5 years ago Limerick, Clare & Tipp were all on a par with each other, & look at the gap now.

passionate_fan (Limerick) - Posts: 23 - 14/06/2018 15:30:03    2111535

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Replying To passionate_fan:  "Fully agree White fire. Its not so long ago we had the best coaches in the Country training Limerick (i.e. Cian O'Neill, Donie Buckley) ; Over 50 players for whatever reason decided not to get involved with Limerick this year. We need to make it attractive again for players to put their hand up for the coming year - the only way we can achieve this is by bringing in a high profile name. Also lets not forget - as recent as 5 years ago Limerick, Clare & Tipp were all on a par with each other, & look at the gap now."
Lads stick to the hurling forum,keyboard warriors

Fieldithigh (Cork) - Posts: 10 - 15/06/2018 20:36:04    2111971

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I couldn't make the u20 game tonight. A bad walloping to get, its not good for young fellas to take beatings like that. Anyone there able to give an account of the game, might sound funny after a game like but could any of our lads make a difference at senior for us next year. It's a season to forget all round for Limerick football.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 520 - 15/06/2018 22:48:18    2112002

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Reasonably strong team selected for this weekend's McGrath Cup opener, and promotion from Division 4 of the league must be a priority. Interesting rumours today that Ronan Lynch is set to join the panel - a strong, athletic player like him would be a decent addition to the squad.

football first (None) - Posts: 1121 - 04/01/2019 22:57:38    2155706

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Terrible performance this afternoon 2 points from play in the whole game is inexcusable for county level , that was far from a brilliant Cork team too and some of our lads looked well out their depth against them. The team looked badly organised in defence especially against the counter attack and runners coming at the backs and we had no guile or craft in attack no movement, no accuracy in our passing and our shooting was very poor too, some of players controll of the ball when soloing and going for 50/50's was disappointing. Cork got 3 handy goals today 1 from a very poor kick out the others losing possession and being hit on the counter attack.Management have to shoulder some of the blame for today's performance too. We need some to find some forwards Jim Liston is a fine back he is not a forward, Peter Nash and Sean Mcsweeney are on the panel a couple of years now and are not up to county level, Nash can run and cover ground all over the pitch but it's to no effect and his distribution and shooting of the ball is very poor and Mcsweeney can kick a few frees but he offers nothing from play, Hugh Bourke and Cian Sheehan would offer alot more to the team and it's also a waste of time keeping Garrett Noonan on the panel. Darragh Treacy was probably our best player on show today but it was hard pick out anyone, hopefully a few more lads can come in to strengthen the team because looking at things today management have alot of work to do to get things some bit right for the league.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 520 - 06/01/2019 21:03:36    2155863

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "Terrible performance this afternoon 2 points from play in the whole game is inexcusable for county level , that was far from a brilliant Cork team too and some of our lads looked well out their depth against them. The team looked badly organised in defence especially against the counter attack and runners coming at the backs and we had no guile or craft in attack no movement, no accuracy in our passing and our shooting was very poor too, some of players controll of the ball when soloing and going for 50/50's was disappointing. Cork got 3 handy goals today 1 from a very poor kick out the others losing possession and being hit on the counter attack.Management have to shoulder some of the blame for today's performance too. We need some to find some forwards Jim Liston is a fine back he is not a forward, Peter Nash and Sean Mcsweeney are on the panel a couple of years now and are not up to county level, Nash can run and cover ground all over the pitch but it's to no effect and his distribution and shooting of the ball is very poor and Mcsweeney can kick a few frees but he offers nothing from play, Hugh Bourke and Cian Sheehan would offer alot more to the team and it's also a waste of time keeping Garrett Noonan on the panel. Darragh Treacy was probably our best player on show today but it was hard pick out anyone, hopefully a few more lads can come in to strengthen the team because looking at things today management have alot of work to do to get things some bit right for the league."
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/limerick-manager-billy-lee-goes-it-alone-in-backing-handpass-limit-896206.html

Billy bucks the trend with his views on the hand pass rule. Fair play to him, too many managers are shooting down any changes even though the game is brutal to watch at senior intercounty level for the last 5 years.

whitefire (Limerick) - Posts: 177 - 08/01/2019 21:02:29    2156180

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Could they do anything in the league Limerick this year? It's a poor enough league really if you take Derry out of it. What do you think? How has training been going?

paddyokane (Longford) - Posts: 69 - 17/01/2019 23:17:39    2157925

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Maybe the answer is to do nothing and wait for Football to hit rock bottom. Some of you will say it's there already but if it is then there should be a recovery spearheaded by those who really care.
I'd contend that there isn't really maroon for Gaelic football to thrive in Limerick. It's the poor relation of Hurling and Rugby and Association football. They cover all the bases. In limerick coty Gaelic is seen as poor game. None of the skill of soccer or hurling and not physically as demanding as Rugby. I think people in Limerick are leading the country in saying "Gaelic Football just isn't any good".

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 20/01/2019 10:05:17    2158355

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Maybe the answer is to do nothing and wait for Football to hit rock bottom. Some of you will say it's there already but if it is then there should be a recovery spearheaded by those who really care.
I'd contend that there isn't really maroon for Gaelic football to thrive in Limerick. It's the poor relation of Hurling and Rugby and Association football. They cover all the bases. In limerick coty Gaelic is seen as poor game. None of the skill of soccer or hurling and not physically as demanding as Rugby. I think people in Limerick are leading the country in saying "Gaelic Football just isn't any good"."
Was watching a re-showing of the Kerry/Monaghan game from last year on tv and thought it was an excellent game.

hamstring (Limerick) - Posts: 274 - 22/01/2019 23:32:58    2159020

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Narrow win yesterday but two points nonetheless. London, Limerick, Waterford & Wicklow are nearly a subgroup in this division and as it happens Limerick face Waterford & Wicklow in the coming 2 match's so victory in the next two match's is essential to give 6 points out of six before the first proper test against Leitrim at the end of February.

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 179 - 28/01/2019 11:48:26    2160330

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Replying To OpenStand:  "Narrow win yesterday but two points nonetheless. London, Limerick, Waterford & Wicklow are nearly a subgroup in this division and as it happens Limerick face Waterford & Wicklow in the coming 2 match's so victory in the next two match's is essential to give 6 points out of six before the first proper test against Leitrim at the end of February."
I'd have to question how the next 2 games are 'essential'. If they win them or lose them will it make a blind bit of difference. 'Essential' to what..to promotion to a slightly higher quality of league next season or do you think Limerick might go on a championship run and catch Kerry on an off day? Let's get real here. Limerick football has structural issues that won't be fixed by beating Wicklow..

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 28/01/2019 15:07:01    2160424

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London , Waterford and Wicklow have been the worst teams in the league over the past decade . Thought it would be essential to beat those 3 for that reason alone .
Not so sure structures are to blame , hurling has more or less the same . Think it's the broader deterioration in Gaelic football entertainment wise. Maybe in 5 or 6 parish's in west limerick Gaelic is number one sport, in all others it's second , third or fourth choice more to do with the national state of the game that anything locally .

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 179 - 29/01/2019 10:37:17    2160651

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Replying To OpenStand:  "London , Waterford and Wicklow have been the worst teams in the league over the past decade . Thought it would be essential to beat those 3 for that reason alone .
Not so sure structures are to blame , hurling has more or less the same . Think it's the broader deterioration in Gaelic football entertainment wise. Maybe in 5 or 6 parish's in west limerick Gaelic is number one sport, in all others it's second , third or fourth choice more to do with the national state of the game that anything locally ."
Openstand.
It is more than five or six parishes. The rise of football in towns like NCW, Rathkeale, and Drom and the fact that a hurley will not be left inside the GAA Pitch in Abbeyfeale should be a matter of concern for anyone involved in promoting hurling in Limerick.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2269 - 30/01/2019 18:56:57    2161028

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Openstand.
It is more than five or six parishes. The rise of football in towns like NCW, Rathkeale, and Drom and the fact that a hurley will not be left inside the GAA Pitch in Abbeyfeale should be a matter of concern for anyone involved in promoting hurling in Limerick."
Oldtourman be fair football is not the problem for hurling in those towns. I went to school in Rathkeale i can guarantee you hurling is the preferred gaa sport in Rathkeale its only the fact they are better at football, even their football team lost 3 or 4 who prioritised soccer last season.

There is a big support for hurling in Newcastlewest too and like that they are just better at football, even alot of their better footballers would prioritise rugby over football.

Now I wouldn't know a whole pile about Abbeyfeale but I know the football team has fierce competition with rugby and soccer for players, the Limerick hurlers have a lot of supporters from Abbeyfeale so their is an interest, I think myself if any fella in Abbeyfeale wanted to hurl, they would play with Templeglantane.

Drom/Broadford just got 5 or 6 very good footballers to come on around the same time and they won a few counties and now those lads are retired they have gone back a bit in football. Even in 2008 when they were playing Crossmaglen in an all Ireland semi final, Their captain said in a newspaper interview most of the lads would prefer to win junior hurling than senior football.

In Limerick we always blame football for the hurling problems which is wrong. William O'Donaghue and Gearoid Hegarty played football for Limerick and it didn't affect their hurling.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 520 - 31/01/2019 17:31:08    2161247

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Maybe the answer is to do nothing and wait for Football to hit rock bottom. Some of you will say it's there already but if it is then there should be a recovery spearheaded by those who really care.
I'd contend that there isn't really maroon for Gaelic football to thrive in Limerick. It's the poor relation of Hurling and Rugby and Association football. They cover all the bases. In limerick coty Gaelic is seen as poor game. None of the skill of soccer or hurling and not physically as demanding as Rugby. I think people in Limerick are leading the country in saying "Gaelic Football just isn't any good"."
Your points are very true Bloodyban, but what can be done about it? Kids look up to Declan Hannon. Conor Murray and premier League footballers etc. In Kerry they want to be the next David Clifford. It all starts from 7/8 years old. My question would be what was done back in the early 00s to kick Gaelic football on in Limerick?? Our senior ream was awful in the mid to late 90s, recall going to league games in Abbeyfeale getting battered in the basement division. All of a sudden, Pat O Shea's minor team came close to winning a Munster, 3 years later the U21s did win the Munster and the majority of that team went on to play in our strongest football team ever up until about 2012/2013. Can the county board not try and replicate what happened then? Or was it just a case of a good group coming along at the same time?

gorby580 (Limerick) - Posts: 162 - 01/02/2019 09:02:00    2161336

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Replying To gorby580:  "Your points are very true Bloodyban, but what can be done about it? Kids look up to Declan Hannon. Conor Murray and premier League footballers etc. In Kerry they want to be the next David Clifford. It all starts from 7/8 years old. My question would be what was done back in the early 00s to kick Gaelic football on in Limerick?? Our senior ream was awful in the mid to late 90s, recall going to league games in Abbeyfeale getting battered in the basement division. All of a sudden, Pat O Shea's minor team came close to winning a Munster, 3 years later the U21s did win the Munster and the majority of that team went on to play in our strongest football team ever up until about 2012/2013. Can the county board not try and replicate what happened then? Or was it just a case of a good group coming along at the same time?"
There's probably never been a more challenging period for Limerick football for a long time.
1. The Hurlers have won the all Ireland, any young lad playing both knows now to focus on hurling if you want success. When Limerick footballers we're playing challenging in Munster 10-15 years ago, hurling was at a low ebb, remember the dual players all picking football under Cregan, wouldn't happen now. We have all heard the anecdotes about Hurlers getting better food after matches and training, better medical treatment and better gear. Unless equality is present from an underage level, a young dual player won't find it difficult to decide which game to pick.
2. Football has become a very laboured, risk averse, defensive, possession based game for almost every team. Few players have the ability to kick the ball, preferring to retain the ball through handpassing. This has also filtered down to the lowest club level, where even junior B teams are now playing sweepers.
3. Good players would give 10-15 years service to their county before, e.g. Quane, Galvin, Buckley etc... With a lack of reward, even interested lads only commit for 5 or 6 years, meaning a high turnover of players. Case in point: Donal O'Sullivan and Iain Corbett are the only footballers who remain from the 2014 Limerick team that played Antrim in the Qualifiers. Remember what Billy Lee said last year about lads turning him down.
4. The quality at club level has dipped dramatically in the county. The county intermediate championship is at about the same standard as the county Junior championship was 10 years ago. Similarly the senior clubs get annual pastings in the Munster club championship. Drom were able to win this in 2009.
5. Limerick County Board have shown a complete lack of interest in employing a noted outside manager to take care of the team. Previously, Mickey Ned and Liam Kearns, two All Ireland winners as players with considerable coaching experience were in charge. Since then, we've gone for Maurice Horan, John Brudair and Billy Lee. Three lads with no experience of training county teams. I believe the County board have deliberately done this because a higher profile manager could pull lads from hurling like what happened with Kearns and Cregan that I mentioned previously.
What if Limerick went out and got a high profile name to come in. Lots of weaker counties manage to appoint proven managers, Offaly have John Maughan, Leitrim have Hyland in Division 4. Let's do the same.

Unless these issues are resolved and there is a willingness to resolve them, then we will continue in the state of flux we currently find ourselves.

whitefire (Limerick) - Posts: 177 - 03/02/2019 09:44:27    2161874

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Replying To whitefire:  "There's probably never been a more challenging period for Limerick football for a long time.
1. The Hurlers have won the all Ireland, any young lad playing both knows now to focus on hurling if you want success. When Limerick footballers we're playing challenging in Munster 10-15 years ago, hurling was at a low ebb, remember the dual players all picking football under Cregan, wouldn't happen now. We have all heard the anecdotes about Hurlers getting better food after matches and training, better medical treatment and better gear. Unless equality is present from an underage level, a young dual player won't find it difficult to decide which game to pick.
2. Football has become a very laboured, risk averse, defensive, possession based game for almost every team. Few players have the ability to kick the ball, preferring to retain the ball through handpassing. This has also filtered down to the lowest club level, where even junior B teams are now playing sweepers.
3. Good players would give 10-15 years service to their county before, e.g. Quane, Galvin, Buckley etc... With a lack of reward, even interested lads only commit for 5 or 6 years, meaning a high turnover of players. Case in point: Donal O'Sullivan and Iain Corbett are the only footballers who remain from the 2014 Limerick team that played Antrim in the Qualifiers. Remember what Billy Lee said last year about lads turning him down.
4. The quality at club level has dipped dramatically in the county. The county intermediate championship is at about the same standard as the county Junior championship was 10 years ago. Similarly the senior clubs get annual pastings in the Munster club championship. Drom were able to win this in 2009.
5. Limerick County Board have shown a complete lack of interest in employing a noted outside manager to take care of the team. Previously, Mickey Ned and Liam Kearns, two All Ireland winners as players with considerable coaching experience were in charge. Since then, we've gone for Maurice Horan, John Brudair and Billy Lee. Three lads with no experience of training county teams. I believe the County board have deliberately done this because a higher profile manager could pull lads from hurling like what happened with Kearns and Cregan that I mentioned previously.
What if Limerick went out and got a high profile name to come in. Lots of weaker counties manage to appoint proven managers, Offaly have John Maughan, Leitrim have Hyland in Division 4. Let's do the same.

Unless these issues are resolved and there is a willingness to resolve them, then we will continue in the state of flux we currently find ourselves."
Very good points listed out there. Unfortunately, I can't see any of the above being addressed anytime soon so we could be resigned for a long spell in this bleak football state. Another thing which is a terrible shame is the loss of extremely talented coaches to other codes/counties. Cian O Neill was Limerick football trainer around 06/07 and still lives in Limerick, granted he's from Kildare so probably would have lost him eventually but surely he could have been given a shot at taking over the senior team? Also, Paul Kinnerk is a football man, I think he was given a role with underage footballers but Clare hurlers snapped him up and now the Limerick hurlers have him.

gorby580 (Limerick) - Posts: 162 - 04/02/2019 10:25:08    2162398

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Losing to Wicklow today brings recent progress down to earth , it appears the bottom 4 of Waterford , Limerick , London and Wicklow has grown to 5 with Wexford well beaten by London today . Waterford look definite to finish as worst team in Ireland ie bottim of division 4

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 179 - 10/02/2019 22:09:03    2164315

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