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1996 Vs 2018

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I think we are in the best place we have been in a long time hurling wise - however how many lads would make the 1996 team? And who would beat who if they played now? ( I know fitness levels etc have changed)

What would your combined 15 be if you had to pick?

Fitzhenry

Kehoe Ryan J O Connor

R Guiney Dunne O Gorman

Fenlon. G O Connor

Chin Storey R O Connor

Mc Carthy Mc Donald Dempsey

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 115 - 06/03/2018 23:07:36    2082355

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Strange that you'd have G O Connor on it when he wasn't going to be on 96 team only for Floods injury. And R O Connor is not making the current team? I think Kevin Foley would probably be on mine.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 07/03/2018 09:09:57    2082376

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Im pretty sure Rory's absence from team is only due to him being back from injury. He was the best hurler in Wexford in this years club championship IMO.

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 115 - 07/03/2018 10:28:01    2082396

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we could do with scallan on frees,and for the bit of cut he brought to the forwards..........

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2504 - 07/03/2018 12:31:25    2082426

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Strange that you'd have G O Connor on it when he wasn't going to be on 96 team only for Floods injury. And R O Connor is not making the current team? I think Kevin Foley would probably be on mine."
Was it not John O'Connor who replaced Sean Flood in the 1996 final?

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 840 - 07/03/2018 22:13:59    2082582

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If you were to pick the best team from 1996 to 2018 there wouldn't be anymore than 1 or 2 of the current teams on the pitch.

Hurling was a better game skill wise back then in my opinion, too many tactics and more about fitness now, the hurls are bigger, the balls are lighter.

The 2018 are making the right progress and strides forward. Maybe a year or two off a title yet but wouldn't rule it out happening under Davy Fitz.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 840 - 07/03/2018 22:16:52    2082584

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "If you were to pick the best team from 1996 to 2018 there wouldn't be anymore than 1 or 2 of the current teams on the pitch.

Hurling was a better game skill wise back then in my opinion, too many tactics and more about fitness now, the hurls are bigger, the balls are lighter.

The 2018 are making the right progress and strides forward. Maybe a year or two off a title yet but wouldn't rule it out happening under Davy Fitz."
A better game skillwise? Don't be ridiculous. The only skill that has gone out of the game is ground hurling, and thats for the better. Generally ground strokes are inaccurate and therefore easily defended. Someone pulling on the ground and driving the ball 60 yards up the field might get a big cheer from the crowd but most of the time they resulted in the ball going to the opposition. So other than ground hurling name 1 skill that players in general were better at in 96 than they are now? Players are far more skilful now and they are fitter, faster and more tactically aware than ever before.

And it was George O Connor who replaced Sean flood. John O Connor was corner back all year

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 07/03/2018 23:31:20    2082596

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comparing generations is fools talk,games change,evolve,etc.
all you can be,is the best of your own generation.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2504 - 08/03/2018 14:52:57    2082714

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "If you were to pick the best team from 1996 to 2018 there wouldn't be anymore than 1 or 2 of the current teams on the pitch.

Hurling was a better game skill wise back then in my opinion, too many tactics and more about fitness now, the hurls are bigger, the balls are lighter.

The 2018 are making the right progress and strides forward. Maybe a year or two off a title yet but wouldn't rule it out happening under Davy Fitz."
I pressume this is a joke!!

hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 432 - 08/03/2018 15:19:32    2082728

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Replying To Onfor15:  "A better game skillwise? Don't be ridiculous. The only skill that has gone out of the game is ground hurling, and thats for the better. Generally ground strokes are inaccurate and therefore easily defended. Someone pulling on the ground and driving the ball 60 yards up the field might get a big cheer from the crowd but most of the time they resulted in the ball going to the opposition. So other than ground hurling name 1 skill that players in general were better at in 96 than they are now? Players are far more skilful now and they are fitter, faster and more tactically aware than ever before.

And it was George O Connor who replaced Sean flood. John O Connor was corner back all year"
The art of ground hurling that got our only goal in the 1996 final. Just my personal opinion game is not as good now as in the 90' and early 00's. Rory MCarthys goal in 1996 semi final was athing of absolute beauty. The goalkeepers of that era were far more skillful than current ones. Fitzhenry had the skill to not only save a ball but get it 20 yards away with a flick.
The technology in the game now reduces the skill in my opinion. Good chance within 10 years goalkeepers will be pointing from puck outs.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 840 - 08/03/2018 23:48:28    2082840

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "The art of ground hurling that got our only goal in the 1996 final. Just my personal opinion game is not as good now as in the 90' and early 00's. Rory MCarthys goal in 1996 semi final was athing of absolute beauty. The goalkeepers of that era were far more skillful than current ones. Fitzhenry had the skill to not only save a ball but get it 20 yards away with a flick.
The technology in the game now reduces the skill in my opinion. Good chance within 10 years goalkeepers will be pointing from puck outs."
No there is not!

hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 432 - 09/03/2018 01:38:55    2082851

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "The art of ground hurling that got our only goal in the 1996 final. Just my personal opinion game is not as good now as in the 90' and early 00's. Rory MCarthys goal in 1996 semi final was athing of absolute beauty. The goalkeepers of that era were far more skillful than current ones. Fitzhenry had the skill to not only save a ball but get it 20 yards away with a flick.
The technology in the game now reduces the skill in my opinion. Good chance within 10 years goalkeepers will be pointing from puck outs."
you see ground shots all of the time but rarely see defenders pulling on the ball or midfielders because now people realise that the most effective way is to take the ball into the hand and place a pass rather than just having a wild swipe at it.

In relation to goalkeepers, i dont see any evidence to suggest that goalkeeping has got worse, in fact the evidence points to improvements in goalkeeping. i think all current goalkeepers are capable of saving a shot and hitting a ball 20 yards with a flick. and goalkeepers now are not pucking the ball very much further than their counterparts 10/20 years ago. No difference in the distance fanning and fitzhenry strike a puckout. No difference in distance between Murphy and McGarry, no difference in Nash and Og cusack etc.

And you claim that technology has reduced skill is mad. Have you any evidence of an technology which has reduced skill levels?

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 852 - 09/03/2018 11:02:45    2082898

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Was it not John O'Connor who replaced Sean Flood in the 1996 final?"
No- It was George

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1493 - 09/03/2018 12:35:49    2082921

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This is madness....

Particularly the remark about skill levels.

It's like comparing two totally different sports. Hurling was tougher in the 90s but much much slower.

I wouldn't take from Rory macs scores against Galway but that sort of space no longer exists.

Much faster and more skillful now in my opinion.

I'd wager our team of 07 was a better side than the 96 team but they were still a mile behind the top teams at that time.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 1631 - 09/03/2018 21:48:27    2083052

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "This is madness....

Particularly the remark about skill levels.

It's like comparing two totally different sports. Hurling was tougher in the 90s but much much slower.

I wouldn't take from Rory macs scores against Galway but that sort of space no longer exists.

Much faster and more skillful now in my opinion.

I'd wager our team of 07 was a better side than the 96 team but they were still a mile behind the top teams at that time."
I'd wager the team of 96 and 07 would out hurl the current crew.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 840 - 10/03/2018 00:00:08    2083075

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "This is madness....

Particularly the remark about skill levels.

It's like comparing two totally different sports. Hurling was tougher in the 90s but much much slower.

I wouldn't take from Rory macs scores against Galway but that sort of space no longer exists.

Much faster and more skillful now in my opinion.

I'd wager our team of 07 was a better side than the 96 team but they were still a mile behind the top teams at that time."
Wexford v Cork On August 10th 2003 that was hurling at its brilliant best.
Wexford v Offaly in 1998
Wexford v Offaly 1996
Wexford v Kilkenny 1997 you wouldn't see a man catch a ball now like Billy Byrne did that day not only caught it but bounced it off the ground and kicked it over the bar.
It's hard to believe we have only won one All Ireland in 49 years
Be great to win one in 2018 50 years after 68.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 840 - 10/03/2018 00:17:39    2083077

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You mustn't have seen conor McDonalds catch against Clare? All of Jack O Connors, Lee Chins?

Your either on the wind up or just totally deluded

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 10/03/2018 10:01:55    2083122

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Did any of the three brilliant hurlers above catch it , bounce it off the ground and kick it over the bar?

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 840 - 10/03/2018 10:30:52    2083125

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Replying To hurlorhurley:  "Did any of the three brilliant hurlers above catch it , bounce it off the ground and kick it over the bar?"
The bounce off the ground is a free by the way!!

hurler101 (Wexford) - Posts: 432 - 10/03/2018 10:39:17    2083127

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It's the skill of deceiving the referee and annoying the cats

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 840 - 10/03/2018 11:33:55    2083137

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