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Replying To theweanling:  "true enough however mc stay kept Roscomon in division 1 and got them to a semi final playing some brilliant football. All throughout the league he made no secret of the fact that their eye was on the connaucht championship. Cavan have won 2 competitive games this year and lost against roscommon when they really needed the win. in fact they've gone back from last year. the lads just look clueless and tbf people saying we don't have the footballers is totally wrong. we've seen them in years gone past. they are good players they've just fallen of the wagon somewhat. I will be very surprised if cavan come out next year under Mc Gleenon a rejuvinated side with potential to win ulster."
There was me thinking that roscommon were relegated! Start doing a bit of research. Your making yourself look foolish

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 542 - 11/07/2017 16:29:53    2015050

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "I still think we should stick with Mattie for at least another year minimum .
I'd expect a swift return to Div 1. That itself might give us a bit of momentum going into the championship as this year we were a bit deflated having been relegated.
If Mattie can put his own stamp on things, make make up his own mind on players he sees and not be relying on hearsay which he was doing this year.
It will be interesting to see if there will be any new additions from the club championships .
Because if we go with the same we'll get the same results.
Hopefully he can convince some players that left for one reason or another to return"
Agreed. Also, the idea that there are no scoring forwards in cavan is frankly rubbish. Let's hope that mattie can convince a few to come in. Imagine having a combination of Barry reilly, Kevin Tierney, David Givney, Conor Bradley, Martin Dunne, Ryan Connolly, Caoimhin Reilly, Gearoid Mckiernan, Cian Mackey, Dara Mcvitty, Conor Madden, etc as your forward line? The problem is getting the best 15 on the field. Can mattie achieve this? If he can get some of these on board then we will be a force to be reckoned with.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 542 - 11/07/2017 16:42:34    2015061

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Replying To sceptical:  "Agreed. Also, the idea that there are no scoring forwards in cavan is frankly rubbish. Let's hope that mattie can convince a few to come in. Imagine having a combination of Barry reilly, Kevin Tierney, David Givney, Conor Bradley, Martin Dunne, Ryan Connolly, Caoimhin Reilly, Gearoid Mckiernan, Cian Mackey, Dara Mcvitty, Conor Madden, etc as your forward line? The problem is getting the best 15 on the field. Can mattie achieve this? If he can get some of these on board then we will be a force to be reckoned with."
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:528 - 11/07/2017 16:42:34 2015061


Same names being mentioned is there any other player's than what you have just mentioned off course there are. Who was Ramor's best forward last year lets hope he gives the county his time for 2018 Look at Killygarry's young lads and I am sure there will be many more. This year I intend to note the players I feel played well it will be interesting to see how many will be from the present set up.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4491 - 11/07/2017 17:29:04    2015100

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Replying To seanorinn:  "sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:528 - 11/07/2017 16:42:34 2015061


Same names being mentioned is there any other player's than what you have just mentioned off course there are. Who was Ramor's best forward last year lets hope he gives the county his time for 2018 Look at Killygarry's young lads and I am sure there will be many more. This year I intend to note the players I feel played well it will be interesting to see how many will be from the present set up."
They are the best forwards in the county end of. Conor Bradley is Ramors best forward and was senior player of the year last year. We need as many of those players back as is possible.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 542 - 11/07/2017 18:04:26    2015120

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Replying To sceptical:  "They are the best forwards in the county end of. Conor Bradley is Ramors best forward and was senior player of the year last year. We need as many of those players back as is possible."
Replying To sceptical: "Agreed. Also, the idea that there are no scoring forwards in cavan is frankly rubbish. Let's hope that mattie can convince a few to come in. Imagine having a combination of Barry reilly, Kevin Tierney, David Givney, Conor Bradley, Martin Dunne, Ryan Connolly, Caoimhin Reilly, Gearoid Mckiernan, Cian Mackey, Dara Mcvitty, Conor Madden, etc as your forward line? The problem is getting the best 15 on the field. Can mattie achieve this? If he can get some of these on board then we will be a force to be reckoned with."
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:528 - 11/07/2017 16:42:34 2015061
Replying To seanorinn: "sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:528 - 11/07/2017 16:42:34 2015061


Same names being mentioned is there any other player's than what you have just mentioned off course there are. Who was Ramor's best forward last year lets hope he gives the county his time for 2018 Look at Killygarry's young lads and I am sure there will be many more. This year I intend to note the players I feel played well it will be interesting to see how many will be from the present set up."
They are the best forwards in the county end of. Conor Bradley is Ramors best forward and was senior player of the year last year. We need as many of those players back as is possible.
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:529 - 11/07/2017 18:04:26

Strange isn't it the first five are not on the panel and the last six five played Saturday????

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4491 - 11/07/2017 19:48:00    2015206

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "Our next steps:
Try get Givney back in panel.
Try sort out midfield.
Try sort out a few direct forwards with pace.
Try sort out CHB.
Try get a settled team ASAP.
Survival in Division 2 a must.
It was always going to be a tough baptism for Mattie this year. I wouldn't be too hard on him yet although he didn't really help himself at times. Next year will tell a lot about him as a manager as it is more our level and he can try and develop his style. Whatever new players he drafts in will be critical to his success here and alot will hinge on how he can develop some of the U21s. People calling for his head need to relax. He will almost certainly be here next year unless there is some sort of mutiny with the players."
Agree with those requirements but. . .

Givney lives in London. Will the CB pay for him to come over to play (without training with the panel)?

How do we 'sort out midfield'? Galligan looks out best prospect, and Buchanan has improved. Corr good backup and while I prefer Gearoid on the 40 he can drop out there too (as could givney if we do manage to get him back).

Who are these direct running forwards? Mcvitty is one - do we need more of that type of player?

Who would you pick for CHB?




For what it's worth, I'd prioritise the following:

Kickout strategy (make runs to free up a man and guarantee possession, so we can control the tempo of the game, particularly when in the lead)

Experience (Mattie needs to watch as many games as he can over the summer and get a few established players into the panel to provide leadership (just examples and depends on their form and circumstances, but Ronan Flanagan, Ray Cullivan and 1 or 2 more might be the kind of player who would make an impact off the bench and help close out games).

Gameplan (if we win I genuinely don't care how we play. Get our gameplan right and install it in every player so everyone knows what their role is!)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3603 - 11/07/2017 20:05:40    2015214

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Agree with those requirements but. . .

Givney lives in London. Will the CB pay for him to come over to play (without training with the panel)?

How do we 'sort out midfield'? Galligan looks out best prospect, and Buchanan has improved. Corr good backup and while I prefer Gearoid on the 40 he can drop out there too (as could givney if we do manage to get him back).

Who are these direct running forwards? Mcvitty is one - do we need more of that type of player?

Who would you pick for CHB?




For what it's worth, I'd prioritise the following:

Kickout strategy (make runs to free up a man and guarantee possession, so we can control the tempo of the game, particularly when in the lead)

Experience (Mattie needs to watch as many games as he can over the summer and get a few established players into the panel to provide leadership (just examples and depends on their form and circumstances, but Ronan Flanagan, Ray Cullivan and 1 or 2 more might be the kind of player who would make an impact off the bench and help close out games).

Gameplan (if we win I genuinely don't care how we play. Get our gameplan right and install it in every player so everyone knows what their role is!)"
Who are these players who will show this leadership?
There was absolutely none last Saturday so come on now and name them.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/07/2017 21:17:27    2015251

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Replying To sceptical: "Agreed. Also, the idea that there are no scoring forwards in cavan is frankly rubbish. Let's hope that mattie can convince a few to come in. Imagine having a combination of Barry reilly, Kevin Tierney, David Givney, Conor Bradley, Martin Dunne, Ryan Connolly, Caoimhin Reilly, Gearoid Mckiernan, Cian Mackey, Dara Mcvitty, Conor Madden, etc as your forward line? The problem is getting the best 15 on the field. Can mattie achieve this? If he can get some of these on board then we will be a force to be reckoned with."
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:528 - 11/07/2017 16:42:34 2015061
Replying To seanorinn: "sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:528 - 11/07/2017 16:42:34 2015061


Same names being mentioned is there any other player's than what you have just mentioned off course there are. Who was Ramor's best forward last year lets hope he gives the county his time for 2018 Look at Killygarry's young lads and I am sure there will be many more. This year I intend to note the players I feel played well it will be interesting to see how many will be from the present set up."
They are the best forwards in the county end of. Conor Bradley is Ramors best forward and was senior player of the year last year. We need as many of those players back as is possible.
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:529 - 11/07/2017 18:04:26

Strange isn't it the first five are not on the panel and the last six five played Saturday????"
Whats your point? What is strange? I merely listed the ten or so forwards who are the best we have. I then said that six of the best from those would make us formidable. I believe that Bradley and Tierney are the key two. That's my opinion which many may disagree with. Bradley is our best prospect, my opinion. I believe that Kevin Tierney has the power and directness to give us a hard edge in the forwards. Put one or two others such as Caoimhin Reilly, Connolly, or Mcvitty into that mix along with Mckiernan at 11 and you have an attack that can score. We have good potential at centre field. Buchanan, Galligan, David Brady, and maybe even the big Patterson lad off the minors. No reason we can't get out of div 2 next season.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 542 - 11/07/2017 21:28:10    2015256

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Replying To sceptical:  "Whats your point? What is strange? I merely listed the ten or so forwards who are the best we have. I then said that six of the best from those would make us formidable. I believe that Bradley and Tierney are the key two. That's my opinion which many may disagree with. Bradley is our best prospect, my opinion. I believe that Kevin Tierney has the power and directness to give us a hard edge in the forwards. Put one or two others such as Caoimhin Reilly, Connolly, or Mcvitty into that mix along with Mckiernan at 11 and you have an attack that can score. We have good potential at centre field. Buchanan, Galligan, David Brady, and maybe even the big Patterson lad off the minors. No reason we can't get out of div 2 next season."
Buchanan, Galligan, David Brady,
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts:530 - 11/07/2017 21:28:10 2015256

I hope I am wrong but I don't think any of them will make midfielders. Young Brady is far to light and will he cut it at senior county level??? Anyway we need to like I said several years establish a spine we don't have one the branches will follow.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4491 - 11/07/2017 21:45:09    2015266

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Replying To sceptical:  "Whats your point? What is strange? I merely listed the ten or so forwards who are the best we have. I then said that six of the best from those would make us formidable. I believe that Bradley and Tierney are the key two. That's my opinion which many may disagree with. Bradley is our best prospect, my opinion. I believe that Kevin Tierney has the power and directness to give us a hard edge in the forwards. Put one or two others such as Caoimhin Reilly, Connolly, or Mcvitty into that mix along with Mckiernan at 11 and you have an attack that can score. We have good potential at centre field. Buchanan, Galligan, David Brady, and maybe even the big Patterson lad off the minors. No reason we can't get out of div 2 next season."
Excellent post, ado cole? I'd look for barkey too for corner back strong fast and aggressive man marker? Definitely Bradley for no 11, g mckiernan no 10?

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 705 - 11/07/2017 22:34:01    2015303

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Replying To sceptical:  "There was me thinking that roscommon were relegated! Start doing a bit of research. Your making yourself look foolish"
I think it's you that is foolish sceptical. surely you can understand that post, without me explaining it to you. He is talking about Roscommon's first year back in Div 1 , not this year. ...You're welcome .

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5233 - 12/07/2017 01:27:01    2015350

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Agree with those requirements but. . .

Givney lives in London. Will the CB pay for him to come over to play (without training with the panel)?

How do we 'sort out midfield'? Galligan looks out best prospect, and Buchanan has improved. Corr good backup and while I prefer Gearoid on the 40 he can drop out there too (as could givney if we do manage to get him back).

Who are these direct running forwards? Mcvitty is one - do we need more of that type of player?

Who would you pick for CHB?




For what it's worth, I'd prioritise the following:

Kickout strategy (make runs to free up a man and guarantee possession, so we can control the tempo of the game, particularly when in the lead)

Experience (Mattie needs to watch as many games as he can over the summer and get a few established players into the panel to provide leadership (just examples and depends on their form and circumstances, but Ronan Flanagan, Ray Cullivan and 1 or 2 more might be the kind of player who would make an impact off the bench and help close out games).

Gameplan (if we win I genuinely don't care how we play. Get our gameplan right and install it in every player so everyone knows what their role is!)"
I did say try in all those requirements. Easier said than done. Faulkner worth a try at CHB. Think C O'Reilly has a bit of pace that we are missing. Bradley also has potential that may be developed. If Givney was at 14 as well then we would have an extra dimension. Midfield is a big problem and no obvious solution so I'd forgive Mattie the tinkering here this year. Maybe if Buchanan can get fit he could blossom. Corr still probably our best midfielder but more a work horse. Galligan has potential. C Daly too but probably another one who needs to work on fitness. We'll see who shines in the club championship.
A lot of suggestions there but little to hang your coat on. So I'd cut management a little slack.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 12/07/2017 05:54:58    2015361

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Feile was held in these parts a few weeks back, not one team from Cavan qualified to the winners section, yet teams from the Clare & Tipperary qualified for the winners section, and its no co-incidence that these sides are now doing well at senior level. A lot of interesting comments from people well entitled to their opinions, some good points, some dont make any sense.

Very easy to blame a manager, but where was McKiernan and those experienced guys that played under Hyland for the last 5 years?

At the end of the day, we are simply, simply not good enough, wouldn't matter what manager we had in place, if players cant think for themselves on the field of play, there's absolutely nothing any manager could do. There is a massive onus on the County Board to accept responsibility for the state of football in Cavan, we had a chairman with an election promise to look after club football, but things have got worse since he took over.

Again, I will repeat this over and over again, you need to go back to grass roots football. Club Football and club players need to be respected and looked after. The ACFL needs to be important, the prize for winning the league needs to be greater, replace the club champions with the league champions and let them go onto represent the County. If we had regular league football, taken seriously, the County Manager can look at in form players and draft them into the panel as the year goes on.

Cavan Football is in a serious situation right now, we went from promotion to Division One, back to Division Two and if I'm honest, we are going to find survival very hard.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 12/07/2017 09:40:51    2015402

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "Who are these players who will show this leadership?
There was absolutely none last Saturday so come on now and name them."
I named 2 in my post and would suggest more of that type.
I do think Ronan Flanagan would be ideal.

When we went well in 2013 we had Alan Clarke who in terms if footballing ability I would've said was a strong club player but not intercounty level. . .but he was a leader and a calming influence on those around him.

You're right, nobody was there to lead last Saturday and it looks like no genuine leaders have emerged from the successful underage teams, hence my point - we need to look at established club players who will come in and give us this.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3603 - 12/07/2017 10:11:12    2015413

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "Feile was held in these parts a few weeks back, not one team from Cavan qualified to the winners section, yet teams from the Clare & Tipperary qualified for the winners section, and its no co-incidence that these sides are now doing well at senior level. A lot of interesting comments from people well entitled to their opinions, some good points, some dont make any sense.

Very easy to blame a manager, but where was McKiernan and those experienced guys that played under Hyland for the last 5 years?

At the end of the day, we are simply, simply not good enough, wouldn't matter what manager we had in place, if players cant think for themselves on the field of play, there's absolutely nothing any manager could do. There is a massive onus on the County Board to accept responsibility for the state of football in Cavan, we had a chairman with an election promise to look after club football, but things have got worse since he took over.

Again, I will repeat this over and over again, you need to go back to grass roots football. Club Football and club players need to be respected and looked after. The ACFL needs to be important, the prize for winning the league needs to be greater, replace the club champions with the league champions and let them go onto represent the County. If we had regular league football, taken seriously, the County Manager can look at in form players and draft them into the panel as the year goes on.

Cavan Football is in a serious situation right now, we went from promotion to Division One, back to Division Two and if I'm honest, we are going to find survival very hard."
You make some good valid points there.
Our chairman promised reform of Club football.
We are nearing the end of July . We have played 3 county matches since the league ended 3 months ago yet not 1 club championship game has been played.
How does that keep clubs interested ?

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 956 - 12/07/2017 10:25:27    2015424

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "You make some good valid points there.
Our chairman promised reform of Club football.
We are nearing the end of July . We have played 3 county matches since the league ended 3 months ago yet not 1 club championship game has been played.
How does that keep clubs interested ?"
cavanblueman: are you saying the league champions I presume you mean the senior champions and get them to represent the county. Well If this is what you are saying sure they can not even win an Ulster title so we would be in dire trouble for sure.

What we need are some neutral people watching games around the county and to bring back a list of players to the manager and along with the name a report on each as to why he thinks that player or players are worth a few trial games. These neutrals should only be known to the manager and they should not be from Cavan. {Pay them to do this if needs be}This is the only way that a true reflection on the players will be got because these people will not know the players background. It would be a start for we would be getting unbiased assessments from them.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4491 - 12/07/2017 11:04:00    2015446

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Replying To seanorinn:  "cavanblueman: are you saying the league champions I presume you mean the senior champions and get them to represent the county. Well If this is what you are saying sure they can not even win an Ulster title so we would be in dire trouble for sure.

What we need are some neutral people watching games around the county and to bring back a list of players to the manager and along with the name a report on each as to why he thinks that player or players are worth a few trial games. These neutrals should only be known to the manager and they should not be from Cavan. {Pay them to do this if needs be}This is the only way that a true reflection on the players will be got because these people will not know the players background. It would be a start for we would be getting unbiased assessments from them."
Sean o rinn I understand your point in principal but first you need to get a list of who's interested in playing for the county.
Too often lads have been spotted, picked , only to turn down the chance when a panel was been drawn up. Which also they are entitled to do for various reasons.
Clubs should be asked who's interested. Who's available, and then these players looked at during the championships to see is there potential to reach the required level.
For example how many Ramor, kingscourt, castlerahan, gaels players are not interested regardless of how they perform in the championship?
Quite a few I would imagine.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 956 - 12/07/2017 11:25:44    2015461

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Next steps? - Acceptance is the first step towards recovery, we need to accept that we aren't very good at football and we haven't been very good for some time now.

IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 251 - 12/07/2017 14:59:49    2015635

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "
Replying To seanorinn:  "cavanblueman: are you saying the league champions I presume you mean the senior champions and get them to represent the county. Well If this is what you are saying sure they can not even win an Ulster title so we would be in dire trouble for sure.

What we need are some neutral people watching games around the county and to bring back a list of players to the manager and along with the name a report on each as to why he thinks that player or players are worth a few trial games. These neutrals should only be known to the manager and they should not be from Cavan. {Pay them to do this if needs be}This is the only way that a true reflection on the players will be got because these people will not know the players background. It would be a start for we would be getting unbiased assessments from them."
Sean o rinn I understand your point in principal but first you need to get a list of who's interested in playing for the county.
Too often lads have been spotted, picked , only to turn down the chance when a panel was been drawn up. Which also they are entitled to do for various reasons.
Clubs should be asked who's interested. Who's available, and then these players looked at during the championships to see is there potential to reach the required level.
For example how many Ramor, kingscourt, castlerahan, gaels players are not interested regardless of how they perform in the championship?
Quite a few I would imagine."
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts:126 - 12/07/2017 11:25:44 2015461


In an earlier post I suggested that if clubs felt they had lads with potential and were interested in playing for Cavan and were missed for one reason or another to send in their name to either the manager or Lorcan Martin and over a period of intense trials many will have gone and you will have a fair idea where you are going. This includes the current county players as well each and every one of the potential county players will have earned their slot like the rest. I feel it's a step in the right direction BUT this has to be done by neutrals as well this way quality will not be ignored it has gone on far too long.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4491 - 12/07/2017 15:18:29    2015645

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Sean o Rinn the CB need to help the clubs out first and maybe they might get help in return.
How many championship games last year were fixed for 8pm on a Sunday night. ?
I remember one instance where kingscourt were playing at 8pm on a Sunday night . School next day. It's a long trip home to Kingscourt at 10pm for anyone with kids.
Little consideration must be given in the timing of these fixtures.
I believe when the CB help and respect clubs well clubs will help and respect the CB.
At the moment it doesn't work either way .

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 956 - 12/07/2017 15:43:33    2015666

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