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Replying To eduardo66:  "I feel that many are confusing having very talented players with those players being good enough when it comes to performing when the pressure is on. Why ignore that we see our highly talented players fall apart when pressure is on, we see guys mishandle the ball constantly, be unable to toe to hand without losing control of the ball, we even see them have difficulty performing the basic skills, even something as simple as picking the ball up off the ground. Call it what you like, brain freeze, panic stations, losing their heads, but being unable to handle the pressure or the expectations of the Cavan GAA public, really does mean the players are not good enough, regardless of talent.
How often do we hear the soundbite that Cavan play better as the underdog, is this not an admission that our players find it hard to cope with expectations, pressure.
The the game v Tip, players looked great the first half, everything was going well, but as soon as Tip upped it in the second half, the Cavan players fell apart, wrong decisions, skill failures, even an element of panic.
1 Ulster title in 47 years, in a county that has a fan base that thinks we have a divine right to be winning All Ireland's, let alone Ulsters, puts massive pressure on players. The fact that the actual standard of football in the county is awful does not prepare players to cope with the pressure. They have no experience of coping with pressure to call upon to get them through when the big games come round.
Constantly we give debuts to 5 or 6 new players every championship, young guys not long out of minor, many of whom have not even played Senior Club football in Cavan. Now our Senior club football is poor, so how big a step up is it for a lad to go from Junior or Intermediate club football in Cavan, to actually playing Senior County in the Ulster Championship or in the qualifiers.

Back in the time that Cavan were kingpins of Ulster football, and won our All Ireland's, we had a rule where once a player was called up to the senior county team, if he was not with a Senior club, he moved to the nearest one, this meant that the better players were playing with and against the best players in the county, raising their standard and the overall standard.
By the way the movement of players to the senior clubs was not all one way, it was not unusual for young up and coming players at the senior clubs to go to junior clubs and play with them till they were good enough to get their place on their club's senior team.
Also if a junior club who had county players move to a senior club, went on to make it to senior, their county players would return to them.

For some reason this practice was stopped, and not only that, but player transfers are totally frowned upon by many in the GAA."
Thank you!!!

It appears you're the only one on here capable of reading and understanding my post and the entire point we are here discussing!


Some lads are too quick to try and stick the boot in to suit their own agenda without actually trying to comprehend the point being put to them!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3592 - 14/07/2017 13:19:23    2016507

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Thank you!!!

It appears you're the only one on here capable of reading and understanding my post and the entire point we are here discussing!


Some lads are too quick to try and stick the boot in to suit their own agenda without actually trying to comprehend the point being put to them!"
I have no agenda, I couldn't care less if there never was a player from my club on panel or I'd be on for my club imalgamating if it was to help Cavan, I think we have quality players and I think there's quality players not on panel for one reason or another that anything should be done to get them in if possible, another thing cavan wasn't fit enough not near fit enough if they were and played with more intensity and aggression we would go a good bit futher, another thing dara mcvitty pulled up in 1st half v tipp and play was bypassing him he was static should have been replaced if injured anyone cop that?

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 705 - 14/07/2017 13:39:02    2016516

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Thank you!!!

It appears you're the only one on here capable of reading and understanding my post and the entire point we are here discussing!


Some lads are too quick to try and stick the boot in to suit their own agenda without actually trying to comprehend the point being put to them!"
I'm sick to the teeth of this "own agenda" rubbish. Why would people have agendas?
If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they have an agenda. They have a different opinion to yours. That's all.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/07/2017 13:47:58    2016519

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "I'm sick to the teeth of this "own agenda" rubbish. Why would people have agendas?
If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they have an agenda. They have a different opinion to yours. That's all."
Then put forward that different opinion!


You do realise posters have argued with my posts by making the exact same point as I made?

They haven't a different opinion, they just aren't reading or understanding the post they're arguing with!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3592 - 14/07/2017 15:24:16    2016567

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Then put forward that different opinion!


You do realise posters have argued with my posts by making the exact same point as I made?

They haven't a different opinion, they just aren't reading or understanding the post they're arguing with!"
Some posters have undoubtedly, in the past, had agendas. It seems like most of those posters have cleared off.

For example, if a poster doesn't like the manager's defensive style of play then that's fine. But then to use every other thread or discussion to knock him would suggest that there's an agenda.

I'm not saying any current posters have one. I'm just pointing out that such people exist.

Skelling (USA) - Posts: 288 - 14/07/2017 16:42:43    2016598

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Replying To Skelling:  "Some posters have undoubtedly, in the past, had agendas. It seems like most of those posters have cleared off.

For example, if a poster doesn't like the manager's defensive style of play then that's fine. But then to use every other thread or discussion to knock him would suggest that there's an agenda.

I'm not saying any current posters have one. I'm just pointing out that such people exist."
To have an agenda is to have a purpose though, something to gain. There are surely better ways to try and achieve it than this.
What can they gain by trying to achieve it on an anonymous social media forum? They must be mad altogether.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/07/2017 18:35:02    2016636

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "To have an agenda is to have a purpose though, something to gain. There are surely better ways to try and achieve it than this.
What can they gain by trying to achieve it on an anonymous social media forum? They must be mad altogether."
Next steps - Get Pete McGrath when the opportunity is there.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1230 - 14/07/2017 21:31:15    2016698

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There really are not many top class managers in the country.
You really have to spend the money to get them in, something which Cavan Co. Board aren't willing to do.
Then the really top class managers probably don't want to manage Cavan.
If Mickey Harte and his team were theyre for last 5 years Cavan would probably be a serious outfit by now.

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 15/07/2017 10:12:53    2016789

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Replying To fredflint:  "Next steps - Get Pete McGrath when the opportunity is there."
We could have had McGrath in 2011/2012 but opted differently.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 954 - 15/07/2017 10:47:04    2016809

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "There really are not many top class managers in the country.
You really have to spend the money to get them in, something which Cavan Co. Board aren't willing to do.
Then the really top class managers probably don't want to manage Cavan.
If Mickey Harte and his team were theyre for last 5 years Cavan would probably be a serious outfit by now."
Next steps - Get Pete McGrath when the opportunity is there.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:807 - 14/07/2017 21:31:15 also the dagger

Pete McGrath is available.


It's very disrespectful to our current man to not give him a chance. Yes you are right no one wants the job reason is because of people wanting the managers after a few months. Get off his back give him a chance he should make a few changes he will know where and lets see this time next year.
Feck me if a person was offered €100000 I don't think they would take it if most of the posts here are anything to go by.
To be honest so many players are pumped up to be super stars yet they are light years away from being that. Let's give Mattie a chance to put his stamp on things.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4489 - 15/07/2017 11:17:10    2016826

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Replying To theDagger1986:  "There really are not many top class managers in the country.
You really have to spend the money to get them in, something which Cavan Co. Board aren't willing to do.
Then the really top class managers probably don't want to manage Cavan.
If Mickey Harte and his team were theyre for last 5 years Cavan would probably be a serious outfit by now."
There really are not many top class managers in the country.
You really have to spend the money to get them in, something which Cavan Co. Board aren't willing to do.
Then the really top class managers probably don't want to manage Cavan.
If Mickey Harte and his team were theyre for last 5 years Cavan would probably be a serious outfit by now.

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts:57 - 15/07/2017 10:12:53 2016789

Players not there it doesn't matter who is managing the team.

Even going back through the history of Cavan football a return of 5 all irelands from 39 Ulster's is poor and Ulsters were won year after year.

Out of the 39 ulsters we have only managed to reach the All - Ireland final 11 times.

Maybe its time to realise that a Ulster final appearance every 20 years might be as good as its going to get.





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RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 582 - 15/07/2017 11:29:55    2016835

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Next steps - Get Pete McGrath when the opportunity is there.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:807 - 14/07/2017 21:31:15 also the dagger

Pete McGrath is available.


It's very disrespectful to our current man to not give him a chance. Yes you are right no one wants the job reason is because of people wanting the managers after a few months. Get off his back give him a chance he should make a few changes he will know where and lets see this time next year.
Feck me if a person was offered €100000 I don't think they would take it if most of the posts here are anything to go by.
To be honest so many players are pumped up to be super stars yet they are light years away from being that. Let's give Mattie a chance to put his stamp on things."
Sean, I'll make a prediction now that we will be worse off this time next year. What about getting McGrath in now and cutting our losses. You seem to be showing some sort of loyalty to Mattie when he has failed badly in year one.

If you had a bull and he only got a few cows in calf the whole year he'd be for the hook. I think its time Mattie goes up on the hook in the butchers win down in Cootehill.

foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 15/07/2017 11:32:46    2016836

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Replying To fredflint:  "Next steps - Get Pete McGrath when the opportunity is there."
Fredflint you didn't like posts like that when Hyland was in charge did you?

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 954 - 15/07/2017 11:56:57    2016849

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Replying To fredflint:  "Next steps - Get Pete McGrath when the opportunity is there."
We gave Hyland 5 years but your only prepared to give Mattie 9 months?
Why?

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 954 - 15/07/2017 12:03:34    2016850

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Replying To foxes_denn:  "Sean, I'll make a prediction now that we will be worse off this time next year. What about getting McGrath in now and cutting our losses. You seem to be showing some sort of loyalty to Mattie when he has failed badly in year one.

If you had a bull and he only got a few cows in calf the whole year he'd be for the hook. I think its time Mattie goes up on the hook in the butchers win down in Cootehill."
County board should make a bold and decisive decision and get Pete McGrath now. Hard on Mattie - maybe, but this is a results business. Sean you were talking the same talk when Andrews was manager and everyone knew he wasn't improving the team. This is the same. Back then a brace decision was taken to remove Andrews and put Hyland in which resulted in a big improvement over the years. We need the same now.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1230 - 15/07/2017 12:30:36    2016861

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This will probably be my last post until the league campaign next year,regarding the Cavan team that is.
I've read most of the comments made and sad to say the end result is the same.
Cavan are out of the championship with a whimper again.
To many so called big players only showing up against mediocre teams.
When asked the big question against quality teams they're found wanting.
"No" forwards!!!!!!!
We need to concentrate on speedy front players who will show for the ball.
Last Saturday we did what Meath have been doing for the last few years, big start and poor finish.
Don't know what any manager can do.
If Mackey hangs up the boots we've got no play maker and no flare.
Let's hope the minors who seem to concentrate on attack can do better especially against a big Derry team.
Best of luck to them.

Virginia (Cavan) - Posts: 84 - 15/07/2017 12:59:43    2016876

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Replying To fredflint:  "County board should make a bold and decisive decision and get Pete McGrath now. Hard on Mattie - maybe, but this is a results business. Sean you were talking the same talk when Andrews was manager and everyone knew he wasn't improving the team. This is the same. Back then a brace decision was taken to remove Andrews and put Hyland in which resulted in a big improvement over the years. We need the same now."
BIG improvement over the years??? You are on the wined up aren't you?? Never got to an ulster final.. couldn't beat Roscommon.. Tyrone or Monaghan then either.
Beat London Carlow and Derry
That's some improvement in 5 years.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 954 - 15/07/2017 13:10:41    2016880

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "BIG improvement over the years??? You are on the wined up aren't you?? Never got to an ulster final.. couldn't beat Roscommon.. Tyrone or Monaghan then either.
Beat London Carlow and Derry
That's some improvement in 5 years."
Yes if you are a glass half empty man then you can say that or you could say we went from the brink of being a div4 team for the 1st time in our history to a div1 team and made the last 8 in one year. Only an idiot would not call that progress.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1230 - 15/07/2017 13:41:32    2016889

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "BIG improvement over the years??? You are on the wined up aren't you?? Never got to an ulster final.. couldn't beat Roscommon.. Tyrone or Monaghan then either.
Beat London Carlow and Derry
That's some improvement in 5 years."
Don't forget Fermanagh twice and Armagh twice, it was a big improvement when terry came in.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 705 - 15/07/2017 14:52:48    2016924

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Replying To fredflint:  "Yes if you are a glass half empty man then you can say that or you could say we went from the brink of being a div4 team for the 1st time in our history to a div1 team and made the last 8 in one year. Only an idiot would not call that progress."
We made the last 8 by beating London. That's some achievement .
Our former manager was part of a management team that nearly had us in Div 4. Let's not forget that.
You haven't answered my question why your only prepared to give Mattie 9 months and want him replaced but you could see no wrong in Hyland being there 5 years.
Hyland had the pick of 4 successful u21 squads. A ulster minor winning team of 6 years ago.
A winning Mc Rory team.
And he couldn't get us to an Ulster final in 5 years.
And you expect Mattie to work miricles in 9 months?
Ain't even reading any more of your posts.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 954 - 15/07/2017 14:54:33    2016926

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