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How To Prevent Referee Assaults

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Replying To CCFabu:  "No I don't expect anyone to clap a ref off if they're angry at him or even if there's a huge sense of injustice or plain old wrong has been done because of a mistake from the ref but I'm sorry it's not being a "nanny state" to expect grown bloody adults to control their behaviour for gods sake. Grow the hell up will ya"
Ah just clap them off regardless of what mess they leave behind after lads training for months… a ref can just end their season and you expect players or supporters to not voice their anger.. Get a grip of yourself .. A nanny state for sure

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 07/03/2023 13:54:11    2462543

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Of course rugby is famously disciplined and the referees are a benchmark for all in poring over video footage for ages in-game to ALWAYS make the right decision

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12331 - 07/03/2023 14:01:43    2462545

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "No cop out …. Earn respect and you will get it.. No training means no good so it's poor by the GAA so.."
How do you want officials to earn respect more than what happens now?
What more should they be doing that they are not right now?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 07/03/2023 14:49:33    2462559

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Of course rugby is famously disciplined and the referees are a benchmark for all in poring over video footage for ages in-game to ALWAYS make the right decision"
It is quite disciplined in terms of respect for officials and how often is there brawls in games. people assaulted in games. coaches physically attacking refs like other sports.
Have never said rugby is a benchmark for anything
And looking at video footage to get decisions made is a good thing. yes mistakes can be made. never said otherwise. typical you would just go to that angle and not actually discuss the point at hand.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 07/03/2023 14:51:36    2462560

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Replying To KillingFields:  "How do you want officials to earn respect more than what happens now?
What more should they be doing that they are not right now?"
Maybe by getting more decisions right and admitting when they make a mess of things… The GAA will back a ref to the hilt regardless of how badly they officiate the game but are very quick to come down on anyone who calls them out…. Double standards which leads to a lack of respect for officials..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 07/03/2023 15:18:52    2462566

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "So give him a round of applause and tell him he did a wonderful job… get a grip.. He needed escorting off because of the mess he made… Look at the mess Sludden made of the Leinster final when he denied Louth a genuine win.. Did you expect Louth supporters to clap him off… get a grip of yourself.. it's not a bit of wonder we are known as a nanny state…"
In fairness, nobody has suggested that the ref should get a round of applause, regardless of how he handles a game. Your response to a very reasonable comment from the Donegal poster is way over the top.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 603 - 07/03/2023 15:30:21    2462569

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Ah just clap them off regardless of what mess they leave behind after lads training for months… a ref can just end their season and you expect players or supporters to not voice their anger.. Get a grip of yourself .. A nanny state for sure"
And if a player from your club made a mistake, do you also shout abuse at them?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 07/03/2023 15:31:58    2462570

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It is quite disciplined in terms of respect for officials and how often is there brawls in games. people assaulted in games. coaches physically attacking refs like other sports.
Have never said rugby is a benchmark for anything
And looking at video footage to get decisions made is a good thing. yes mistakes can be made. never said otherwise. typical you would just go to that angle and not actually discuss the point at hand."
You literally said "Look at rugby". There are plenty of referee assaults in rugby. It's not a competition but it's disingenuous to play it down all the time. Maybe not at pro level as it will obviously be documented but are you telling me the GAA is less disciplined than SA or NZ amateur levels? Lower level French rugby is notoriously violent.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12331 - 07/03/2023 15:44:58    2462574

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It is quite disciplined in terms of respect for officials and how often is there brawls in games. people assaulted in games. coaches physically attacking refs like other sports.
Have never said rugby is a benchmark for anything
And looking at video footage to get decisions made is a good thing. yes mistakes can be made. never said otherwise. typical you would just go to that angle and not actually discuss the point at hand."
Also, try to address my point and not me please. I know it's hard to resist but it ultimately undermines your point not mine.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12331 - 07/03/2023 15:46:55    2462575

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0307/1360798-two-involved-in-row-not-members-say-naomh-fionnbarra/

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4228 - 07/03/2023 15:59:32    2462579

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Ah just clap them off regardless of what mess they leave behind after lads training for months… a ref can just end their season and you expect players or supporters to not voice their anger.. Get a grip of yourself .. A nanny state for sure"
Voice anger is not the same as a man having to be escorted off a pitch because supposed adults can't control themselves! It's pathetic behaviour and there's no getting round it no matter how much you go on about a nanny state to justify your own ridiculous view on this

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 163 - 07/03/2023 16:12:28    2462582

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "And if a player from your club made a mistake, do you also shout abuse at them?"
According to that poster anyone making a mistake should have abuse hurled at them and threat of violence so that they need escorted away from the incident, it's justifiable because lads have been training all winter don't you know

Pathetic from a supposed adult and then wants to cry about a nanny state taking away his right to be an abusive eejit.

One of the first things we try teach children, literal children, is how to control their emotions so they don't lash out verbally or physically at other kids. And this adult is trying to say that behaviour is ok because someone made a mistake.

Like I said, pathetic.

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 163 - 07/03/2023 16:16:35    2462585

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Replying To Breffni40:  "You literally said "Look at rugby". There are plenty of referee assaults in rugby. It's not a competition but it's disingenuous to play it down all the time. Maybe not at pro level as it will obviously be documented but are you telling me the GAA is less disciplined than SA or NZ amateur levels? Lower level French rugby is notoriously violent."
This problem is not unique to GAA by any means, there were reports of difficulties in finding referees at the lower levels of soccer around Ireland because of similar incidents unfortunately.

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 163 - 07/03/2023 16:18:57    2462586

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I think VAR should be brought into the GAA. It will highlight how impossible their job is!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 07/03/2023 16:23:14    2462587

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Replying To CCFabu:  "Voice anger is not the same as a man having to be escorted off a pitch because supposed adults can't control themselves! It's pathetic behaviour and there's no getting round it no matter how much you go on about a nanny state to justify your own ridiculous view on this"
I have never seen a ref escorted of a pitch for doing a good job… have you..? The standard of refereeing the GAA have allowed to develop is shocking…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 07/03/2023 16:35:24    2462589

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Replying To CCFabu:  "According to that poster anyone making a mistake should have abuse hurled at them and threat of violence so that they need escorted away from the incident, it's justifiable because lads have been training all winter don't you know

Pathetic from a supposed adult and then wants to cry about a nanny state taking away his right to be an abusive eejit.

One of the first things we try teach children, literal children, is how to control their emotions so they don't lash out verbally or physically at other kids. And this adult is trying to say that behaviour is ok because someone made a mistake.

Like I said, pathetic."
We are talking about why referee's are getting verbal abuse here…. never did I say or condone the physical assault of any official… that is away over the top.. Did you read my earlier post about a referee making a genuine mistake as regards putting a score down to the wrong side yet despite both teams agreeing to the error he refused to change it…. What respect would that referee deserve in your opinion… ? You would probably say " it's ok .. thank you "… Now that's what I call pathetic…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 07/03/2023 16:43:40    2462591

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Replying To midlands:  "In fairness, nobody has suggested that the ref should get a round of applause, regardless of how he handles a game. Your response to a very reasonable comment from the Donegal poster is way over the top."
Not one bit over the top…. The suggestion is don't question the ref regardless of what mess he makes of the match…hence you might as well give him a round of applause…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 07/03/2023 16:48:48    2462593

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Replying To CCFabu:  "This problem is not unique to GAA by any means, there were reports of difficulties in finding referees at the lower levels of soccer around Ireland because of similar incidents unfortunately."
Absolutely agree, it's a societal problem, just the self-congratulatory rugby stuff is a pet hate of mine. They love to position themselves above everyone else.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12331 - 07/03/2023 17:37:11    2462612

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It starts at juniors level

Education and real guidance by responsible adults who take pride in themselves and their positive contributions to their club and that will naturally be adopted by the boys/girls

It needs to be targeted and solved at that level and it needs funding. Education programs put in motion.

In the meantime, Lifetime bans for individual's. Fan/player alike.

Unfortunately there's an unhealthy tribal element involved too that is capable of bringing the worst out of some people, but that's still no excuse and a hard line needs to be taken.

Even if fines/bans for the club's themselves is warranted.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 07/03/2023 17:48:31    2462614

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GAA doesn't care about referees. They are scapegoats every week they go out.

If they did, they would have done something to support the on-field officials by now. They are paid atrociously, while there are people involved with teams who talk about "wholistic views" and similarly tripe.

The omerta when a referee makes a bad decision (e.g. Jimmy Cooney, Martin Strudden) is never met with even an attempt at helping the referees by GAA authorities, nor any form of support for them. Just rinse and repeat.

But look, the standard of supporter is at its worst ever too. GAA supporters are all mouthpieces, moanbags, blinkered, who seem to go out to a match to get frustration off their chest and what better target than a referee.

If its so easy, go out and do a refereeing course and show how it is done. I bet it is harder than expected, especially with the advent of diving in our games.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1336 - 07/03/2023 18:37:51    2462630

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