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So if I think it's unacceptable for an escort to be needed, I'm accepting referee incompetence? you don't think there's a situation where we can criticise a ref and even let off a bit of steam without that same ref needing an escort for their own safety, or are you only able to let off steam in a way that intimidates and threatens others, like a bully in a playground?
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 97 - 09/03/2023 14:58:26 2462999 Link 0 |
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Not saying that… it's only seldom a ref has to get an escort from the pitch thank goodness but when it does happen it's because of an absolute mess he has made of the game and that is totally his own fault…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 09/03/2023 15:41:57 2463015 Link 0 |
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Do you do much refereeing? If a forward butchers a goal chance and his team lose by 1 or 2 points should he be assaulted? Should the Kerry goalie have been assaulted last Sunday for dropping a ball into his own net? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1427 - 09/03/2023 16:02:38 2463022 Link 2 |
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B******t. People should be held responsible for their own actions. Irrespective of whether a referee has had a poor game or not nobody has the right to assault another human being. We all have to deal with frustration and anger in life. Frustration and anger do not give you the right to commit assault. If people cannot practise self discipline and control their own behaviour even in the face of frustration and anger then they should be held accountable by both the GAA and the Gardaí. Anyone who assaults a match official, a player or a supporter chooses to do so. They are not forced to do so. Officials have to be escorted from the field because people behave like thugs. Such incidents should be dealt with by the GAA at national not local level. They should also be dealt with by the Gardaí. The Gardaí should be allowed to press charges as opposed to the victim requesting them to do so.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 09/03/2023 16:04:49 2463024 Link 3 |
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Just because a referee has to be escorted off doesn't necessarily mean he has made "an absolute mess" of the game. It sometimes happens simply because a small group of "supporters" THINK he has made a mess of it, and invariably those responsible were supporting the losing team, or maybe had big money on the losing team.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 545 - 09/03/2023 16:08:31 2463025 Link 2 |
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As I said it thankfully happens on rare occasions but every time it's because the ref made a mess of officiating the match…. You for some reason don't want to accept that but it's a fact…. Take your head out of the sand
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 09/03/2023 16:46:02 2463033 Link 0 |
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Greengrass … anyone who physically assaults any official is as you say a thug… but when a referee makes a mess of a match don't expect them to leave the pitch without anything been said to them… That simply is not going to happen no matter what the GAA think… The standard of refereeing is terrible and it would suit the GAA far better to sort that out first and maybe then more respect would be shown to the man with the whistle…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 09/03/2023 16:53:45 2463039 Link 0 |
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I never once said anyone should be assaulted… Get a grip of yourself and don't be talking scutter…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 09/03/2023 16:56:24 2463040 Link 0 |
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No ref should be assaulted or fear being assaulted. But I have watched many games as a neutral where it hasn't surprised me at all that the ref had to be escorted off. The Louth Meath game in 2010 springs to mind.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11930 - 09/03/2023 17:07:59 2463047 Link 0 |
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Well said. People's opinion in relation to the performance of a match official is subjective and is often poorly informed due to a lack of knowledge of the rules.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 09/03/2023 17:31:39 2463057 Link 0 |
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ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1132 - 09/03/2023 17:58:33 2463060 Link 0 |
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I didnt say that. never implied it or anything else. nobody said kids getting injured is a defence of rugby
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 09/03/2023 19:47:41 2463077 Link 0 |
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That poster doesn't do any refereeing. Too busy whinging, trying to get a rise out of posters on their anonymous keyboard for their AKAs.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7349 - 09/03/2023 20:32:49 2463078 Link 3 |
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I think a good strong deterrent is needed to prevent attacks on officials. If you're serious about laying hands on someone who's not laying his hands on you but it just trying to apply the rules of the game that you're playing, then there should be a minimum ban of, I dunno, three years? five years? more? with the flexibility to extend it based on the circumstances. Investigations and punishments to be done centrally, not at local level. That is, if the referee gets clobbered at a Longford Junior C hurling game in front of 10 spectators, he'll get his punishment same as if he did in front of 50,000 in Croke Park, and get a similar punishment to such a player. Additionally, whichever Unit is hosting the competition, make it mandatory for them to report it up the chain for fear of suspension. In my example, the club(s) have to report it to the Longford GAA, who have to report it to Leinster GAA, who have to report it to Croke Park. Or a step can be skipped, or maybe the county committee can start off the chain of reporting, or Croke Park can start investigating it themselves off their own bat, or whatever, but no-one can sit on it. Assaults on officials should go all the way to the top. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1032 - 09/03/2023 21:39:02 2463100 Link 0 |
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A referee getting verbally abused usually comes from the said ref not knowing the rules or unable to apply them properly…. Time for them to be properly trained including physically… half of them not fit to walk and are making ridiculous decisions from 40/50 metres away…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 10/03/2023 09:52:34 2463113 Link 0 |
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A referee getting verbally abused usually comes from the said ref not knowing the rules or unable to apply them properly…. Time for them to be properly trained including physically… half of them not fit to walk and are making ridiculous decisions from 40/50 metres away…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 10/03/2023 10:00:11 2463115 Link 0 |
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You are obsessed with putting blame on officials. Yes officials make mistakes and yes the training they receive from county boards and centrally from GAA isnt near good enough but a ref getting verbal abuse usually comes from misinformed "fans" not supporters being right. Yes officials need better training but the abuse they get isnt their fault which you are making it out to be. When you say proper training what specifically do you want done as you seem to find all the fault with officials and not with the people giving out abuse. hurling/gaelic are fast games. refs cant be expected to be up with the ball all the time even most of time with hurling so have to make decisions from a fair distance away. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 10/03/2023 10:29:14 2463123 Link 0 |
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A huge problem for most people would be an understanding of the rules..I've watched matches in past few weeks with different people,what I thought were frees the others with me disagree and vice verse with other things..it happened in both hurling and football..also not all referees penalize the same things..there is no place for abuse of any official,yes they do make mistakes,but only for them no matches take place.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2222 - 10/03/2023 12:46:52 2463179 Link 0 |
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You can disagree with the ref's decisions and you can make that known to the ref but you do so in a manner that respects the ref's dignity. People are responsible for how they behave. Verbal or physical abuse is wrong.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 10/03/2023 12:54:35 2463181 Link 2 |
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I don't condone physical abuse but if people can't question a ref for some of their ridiculous calls then we really are a nanny state… If a ref is continuously making poor decisions he should be called out by the GAA… I know exactly the referees that will handle a game properly and the ones that always court controversy yet they still get major games and are never called to answer for their continuous blunders… I agree anyone can make a mistake but if they continue to make the same mistakes is it any wonder they get verbally abused..?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 10/03/2023 13:21:01 2463189 Link 0 |