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So you shout abuse at a ref during the match and then expect them to listen to you after :/ Maybe it was the'I shot JR' made him run for the car.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 07/03/2023 20:31:36    2462642

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You literally said "Look at rugby". There are plenty of referee assaults in rugby. It's not a competition but it's disingenuous to play it down all the time. Maybe not at pro level as it will obviously be documented but are you telling me the GAA is less disciplined than SA or NZ amateur levels? Lower level French rugby is notoriously violent.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11995 - 07/03/2023 15:44:58

Plenty? proof please.
In Ireland. We dont have stats but you dont here of assaults on referees in rugby games across world near that much. Lower level french rugby is very tough but notoriously violent no it isnt.
Yes i think GAA is less disciplined than SA and NZ amateur levels.
South Africans hit hard but its primarily legal. theyre very big physically. used to playing on very hard ground and play accordingly. ive reffed south africans playing on tour here and in a few games theyve sent loads of irish kids to hospital with legal hits.

Also, try to address my point and not me please. I know it's hard to resist but it ultimately undermines your point not mine.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11995 - 07/03/2023 15:46:55
if you try do the same with my other posts. this is completely hypocritical of you to post this unless you do same in future.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 07/03/2023 20:33:55    2462643

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "GAA doesn't care about referees. They are scapegoats every week they go out.

If they did, they would have done something to support the on-field officials by now. They are paid atrociously, while there are people involved with teams who talk about "wholistic views" and similarly tripe.

The omerta when a referee makes a bad decision (e.g. Jimmy Cooney, Martin Strudden) is never met with even an attempt at helping the referees by GAA authorities, nor any form of support for them. Just rinse and repeat.

But look, the standard of supporter is at its worst ever too. GAA supporters are all mouthpieces, moanbags, blinkered, who seem to go out to a match to get frustration off their chest and what better target than a referee.

If its so easy, go out and do a refereeing course and show how it is done. I bet it is harder than expected, especially with the advent of diving in our games."
even then when you do a refereeing course you are not supported. the training officials get isnt good enough. the support isnt there for regular meetings with ref development officers etc where refs get to meet and discuss rule changes, how to ref certain situations. watch clips and how to referee areas of game and how to improve

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 08/03/2023 10:00:37    2462671

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Replying To KillingFields:  "You literally said "Look at rugby". There are plenty of referee assaults in rugby. It's not a competition but it's disingenuous to play it down all the time. Maybe not at pro level as it will obviously be documented but are you telling me the GAA is less disciplined than SA or NZ amateur levels? Lower level French rugby is notoriously violent.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11995 - 07/03/2023 15:44:58

Plenty? proof please.
In Ireland. We dont have stats but you dont here of assaults on referees in rugby games across world near that much. Lower level french rugby is very tough but notoriously violent no it isnt.
Yes i think GAA is less disciplined than SA and NZ amateur levels.
South Africans hit hard but its primarily legal. theyre very big physically. used to playing on very hard ground and play accordingly. ive reffed south africans playing on tour here and in a few games theyve sent loads of irish kids to hospital with legal hits.

Also, try to address my point and not me please. I know it's hard to resist but it ultimately undermines your point not mine.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11995 - 07/03/2023 15:46:55
if you try do the same with my other posts. this is completely hypocritical of you to post this unless you do same in future."
Wasting my time posting here. I'll never learn!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 08/03/2023 10:28:58    2462684

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Absolutely agree, it's a societal problem, just the self-congratulatory rugby stuff is a pet hate of mine. They love to position themselves above everyone else."
Well when it comes to discipline and respect of officials they certainly are .

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 08/03/2023 11:05:45    2462698

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Pretty mad that hospitalising kids is deemed a positive and a defence of discipline in rugby

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 08/03/2023 11:13:30    2462702

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Pretty mad that hospitalising kids is deemed a positive and a defence of discipline in rugby"
Totally agree…. They don't need a referee at all

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 08/03/2023 11:28:18    2462708

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "We are talking about why referee's are getting verbal abuse here…. never did I say or condone the physical assault of any official… that is away over the top.. Did you read my earlier post about a referee making a genuine mistake as regards putting a score down to the wrong side yet despite both teams agreeing to the error he refused to change it…. What respect would that referee deserve in your opinion… ? You would probably say " it's ok .. thank you "… Now that's what I call pathetic…"
That ref deserves plenty of criticism. There should be review panels in place for that sort of mistake and behaviour from a ref. But he doesn't deserve to be escorted off a pitch being verbally abused and threat of physical abuse which is what you seem to be suggesting to me? Or have I got it wrong, you're in this thread going on and on about bad referee performance with the implication that verbal abuse is expected and an escort is the refs fault, not the people who are threatening them?

And putting words in my mouth about how to treat refs who make mistakes. It's absolute nonsense from you, honestly. Refs make mistakes. They deserve better training and supports. They deserve to be criticised if they get things wrong. I know people can lose the head when an injustice goes against your team. But nobody, and I mean nobody, who goes out onto a GAA pitch giving up their time voluntarily for the games, deserves to be verbally abused and a threat of physical abuse to such a level they need an escort from the pitch.

I don't care what has happened, how bad the ref has got something wrong, I'll repeat it til the cows come home - grow up.

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 97 - 08/03/2023 13:46:26    2462759

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Absolutely agree, it's a societal problem, just the self-congratulatory rugby stuff is a pet hate of mine. They love to position themselves above everyone else."
totally agree on that and sure look at how their top level refs are still getting red card decisions wrong at the highest level. They have good respect from players towards the ref but there's not much else I would take from rugby

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 97 - 08/03/2023 13:47:31    2462760

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "GAA doesn't care about referees. They are scapegoats every week they go out.

If they did, they would have done something to support the on-field officials by now. They are paid atrociously, while there are people involved with teams who talk about "wholistic views" and similarly tripe.

The omerta when a referee makes a bad decision (e.g. Jimmy Cooney, Martin Strudden) is never met with even an attempt at helping the referees by GAA authorities, nor any form of support for them. Just rinse and repeat.

But look, the standard of supporter is at its worst ever too. GAA supporters are all mouthpieces, moanbags, blinkered, who seem to go out to a match to get frustration off their chest and what better target than a referee.

If its so easy, go out and do a refereeing course and show how it is done. I bet it is harder than expected, especially with the advent of diving in our games."
100% agreed, well said

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 97 - 08/03/2023 13:48:27    2462761

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Pretty mad that hospitalising kids is deemed a positive and a defence of discipline in rugby"
It's a collision sport. Gaelic games are contact sports. They're not similar sports nor refereed the same.
The rugby referee only talks to the captains and players know that. But they have an easier job, for me, than GAA refs, game is stop start, easier to keep up with than the speed of hurling and football. The communication and decision making for officials looks better defined and more consistent in rugby than GAA. And at top level the rugby refs have the benefits of technology. But top level rugby is a professional game so it's in their interest to have better decisions on rules.

Still, there's no excuse for officials in any sport to be assaulted.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7350 - 08/03/2023 14:39:03    2462782

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Replying To CCFabu:  "That ref deserves plenty of criticism. There should be review panels in place for that sort of mistake and behaviour from a ref. But he doesn't deserve to be escorted off a pitch being verbally abused and threat of physical abuse which is what you seem to be suggesting to me? Or have I got it wrong, you're in this thread going on and on about bad referee performance with the implication that verbal abuse is expected and an escort is the refs fault, not the people who are threatening them?

And putting words in my mouth about how to treat refs who make mistakes. It's absolute nonsense from you, honestly. Refs make mistakes. They deserve better training and supports. They deserve to be criticised if they get things wrong. I know people can lose the head when an injustice goes against your team. But nobody, and I mean nobody, who goes out onto a GAA pitch giving up their time voluntarily for the games, deserves to be verbally abused and a threat of physical abuse to such a level they need an escort from the pitch.

I don't care what has happened, how bad the ref has got something wrong, I'll repeat it til the cows come home - grow up."
Cop onto yourself…. They are not doing it on a voluntary basis but getting paid for it .. unlike the players who train several times a week to have their season ended by some nit wit referee who can't do his job right… The game I mentioned was lost by a point by the team denied a score and exited the competition… But sure it's all right the poor ref made a mistake…. He didn't make any mistakes when looking for his money…that's for sure… I will say it again until your so called cows come home.. no ref ever got escorted of a pitch after doing his job right… Time for referees to be trained properly and for them all to apply the rules in the same way…. Wakey up GAA

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 08/03/2023 16:04:10    2462823

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It's a disgrace to the administration on this forum that the Cavan man's posts on this issue have been allowed. He's an embarrassment

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1502 - 08/03/2023 17:20:49    2462850

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Interesting to read all the comments on this subject..myself no matter how bad an official is doesn't give anyone a right to assault them..I do think that players and managers need to show a bit more respect to..maybe if they didn't question all decisions it might filter down to supporters that it's not acceptable..now I'm not a bloody angel in any way and I have shouted at refs going back a few years ago..now I wouldn't bother,I go to matches now and stay away from a lot of people who would be mouth pieces..clubs need to start taking action to against some of their own..a lot of it is tolerated because joe blogs did a lot for the club,ah sure his brother is s lovely fella..however we can't do anything because he has 2/3 sons(daughters)involved we can't upset them,they have a few pals who might also fall out with the club..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2222 - 08/03/2023 17:52:38    2462861

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "It's a collision sport. Gaelic games are contact sports. They're not similar sports nor refereed the same.
The rugby referee only talks to the captains and players know that. But they have an easier job, for me, than GAA refs, game is stop start, easier to keep up with than the speed of hurling and football. The communication and decision making for officials looks better defined and more consistent in rugby than GAA. And at top level the rugby refs have the benefits of technology. But top level rugby is a professional game so it's in their interest to have better decisions on rules.

Still, there's no excuse for officials in any sport to be assaulted."
rugby refs have lot more to look out for around tackle/ruck in terms of technical offences. i wouldnt say its easier to ref because of the speed of the games.
even at an amateur level i think what rugby refs get in terms of nearly everything its better than GAA.
That rugby is pro at the top level doesnt mean it is in more of an interest of rugby bodies to get decisions right than the GAA do with their games. it should be the same be it an amateur or professional sport

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 08/03/2023 21:25:58    2462890

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Cop onto yourself…. They are not doing it on a voluntary basis but getting paid for it .. unlike the players who train several times a week to have their season ended by some nit wit referee who can't do his job right… The game I mentioned was lost by a point by the team denied a score and exited the competition… But sure it's all right the poor ref made a mistake…. He didn't make any mistakes when looking for his money…that's for sure… I will say it again until your so called cows come home.. no ref ever got escorted of a pitch after doing his job right… Time for referees to be trained properly and for them all to apply the rules in the same way…. Wakey up GAA"
They're not getting paid for it. Get expenses same as players. When was the last time got a car for a year or paid for endorsements?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7350 - 08/03/2023 22:05:06    2462896

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Not one bit over the top…. The suggestion is don't question the ref regardless of what mess he makes of the match…hence you might as well give him a round of applause…"
We can respect referees by refraining from abuse, verbal or otherwise. Nobody, apart from yourself, is suggesting that we give them a round of applause.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 545 - 09/03/2023 09:16:38    2462907

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "It's a disgrace to the administration on this forum that the Cavan man's posts on this issue have been allowed. He's an embarrassment"
He's entitled to his view. This is a forum. Personally I don't think refs should be abused in any way. And I also happen to know personally that its very hard to recruit referees at the minute, and abuse is not helping, although it wasn't a reason cited by anyone I know who was asked about volunteering to be a referee. Tbh time was cited as being the main reason. Players will make time because they enjoy playing, and hopefully winning, as part of belonging to a team and the camaraderie associated with that. Really I can't think of anything enjoyable about being a referee.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11943 - 09/03/2023 10:39:20    2462917

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Cop onto yourself…. They are not doing it on a voluntary basis but getting paid for it .. unlike the players who train several times a week to have their season ended by some nit wit referee who can't do his job right… The game I mentioned was lost by a point by the team denied a score and exited the competition… But sure it's all right the poor ref made a mistake…. He didn't make any mistakes when looking for his money…that's for sure… I will say it again until your so called cows come home.. no ref ever got escorted of a pitch after doing his job right… Time for referees to be trained properly and for them all to apply the rules in the same way…. Wakey up GAA"
I didn't say it was all right for god sake I said he shouldn't need escorted off a pitch, they are not the same thing!

I'm sure refs are rolling in it across the country alright. god save us if you're the norm in terms of attitudes on this

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 97 - 09/03/2023 10:51:43    2462921

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Replying To CCFabu:  "I didn't say it was all right for god sake I said he shouldn't need escorted off a pitch, they are not the same thing!

I'm sure refs are rolling in it across the country alright. god save us if you're the norm in terms of attitudes on this"
These sort of situations caused by the referee leads to him needing an escort from the field… are you not able to work that out.. I know you wouldn't think what the ref done was right but standing there with your mouth shut lets him think he was right… no harm in letting of a bit of steam… not just accept incompetence…!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1933 - 09/03/2023 11:20:40    2462932

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