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Replying To seadog54:  "Same team that started against the Scots, MacCarthy replaces injured JR on bench. McCluskey looses out to Jimmy O Brien who can cover all across back line, lesson learned from last game. Overall a very strong team. Best of luck to all."
From reading what Farrell said O'Brien wasn't really available for the first two games which I hadn't seen mentioned anywhere. Better decision all-round with Henshaw missing. They didn't say if Ryan was out if they get through. Ryan is a loss but he was the one player that was not performing at the level he could up to this so Henderson may have got it anyway. Massive game for McCarthy, I though Baird would have got the call as he has that bit more experience in big games but McCarthy carried a bit more physicality and with him and Conan coming off the bench it will add more power to the pack.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1770 - 11/10/2023 18:42:40    2507944

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Contradicting yourself there...'would never point fingers', and then jump in with a severe criticism that he's 'become the centre of attention far too often in games'."
Not contradicting myself I would never blame a ref for a loss. That was my point. I can say a ref can be poor at times but I will never blame them for a loss.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7779 - 11/10/2023 20:25:22    2507949

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Contradicting yourself there...'would never point fingers', and then jump in with a severe criticism that he's 'become the centre of attention far too often in games'."
You seem to have an issue with every post I have since you were rambling about Ewan Mackenna and not understanding what that debate was about.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7779 - 11/10/2023 20:28:52    2507951

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "Well its time now for Ireland to make it happen and win the QF. There is nothing to say that NZ are a better team and its now up to Ireland to prove it. I believe they will, the QF will more similar to the SA game than the Scotland game with the forwards to the fore. Hopefully the injuries are not as bad as they seemed.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1675 - 09/10/2023 19:17:23

Hopefully we win. wont try and say anything about if we dont until after as all depends on the performance as all too often we've not performed at all in a knock out game. we've just been well beaten


Wayne Barnes! As popular with Irish alickadoos, as James Owens is with knowledgeable Galway hurling fans.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3221 - 10/10/2023 14:40:55

Barnes will not be an issue. he's one of the best in the world. we're very used to him refereeing our players be it with provinces or national side and it isnt a problem"
We will need that little bit of luck too. If both teams play their best there will be nothing in it."
I heard Gregor Paul?, an NZ rugby correspondent, tell Newstalk last evening that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably. This lad has written 7 books about rugby I see, so clearly knows what he's talking about!!"]"Gregor Paul?, an NZ rugby correspondent, tell Newstalk last evening that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably."
Some part of him? His rectum?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2398 - 11/10/2023 20:30:38    2507952

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "Well its time now for Ireland to make it happen and win the QF. There is nothing to say that NZ are a better team and its now up to Ireland to prove it. I believe they will, the QF will more similar to the SA game than the Scotland game with the forwards to the fore. Hopefully the injuries are not as bad as they seemed.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1675 - 09/10/2023 19:17:23

Hopefully we win. wont try and say anything about if we dont until after as all depends on the performance as all too often we've not performed at all in a knock out game. we've just been well beaten


Wayne Barnes! As popular with Irish alickadoos, as James Owens is with knowledgeable Galway hurling fans.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3221 - 10/10/2023 14:40:55

Barnes will not be an issue. he's one of the best in the world. we're very used to him refereeing our players be it with provinces or national side and it isnt a problem"
We will need that little bit of luck too. If both teams play their best there will be nothing in it."
I heard Gregor Paul?, an NZ rugby correspondent, tell Newstalk last evening that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably. This lad has written 7 books about rugby I see, so clearly knows what he's talking about!!"]He thinks Josh Van De Flier is from Cape Town rather than Wicklow...

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 11/10/2023 21:39:10    2507960

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "You seem to have an issue with every post I have since you were rambling about Ewan Mackenna and not understanding what that debate was about."
No, I don't think that was any source of concern for me really.

I was probably more irritated by our Ciara MaGeean posts, and your daft appraisal that you knew more about my disposition, opinion and motive on the subject, than I'd known myself.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 12/10/2023 09:56:19    2507982

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Sure......

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7779 - 12/10/2023 10:17:14    2507984

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "
Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "Well its time now for Ireland to make it happen and win the QF. There is nothing to say that NZ are a better team and its now up to Ireland to prove it. I believe they will, the QF will more similar to the SA game than the Scotland game with the forwards to the fore. Hopefully the injuries are not as bad as they seemed.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1675 - 09/10/2023 19:17:23

Hopefully we win. wont try and say anything about if we dont until after as all depends on the performance as all too often we've not performed at all in a knock out game. we've just been well beaten


Wayne Barnes! As popular with Irish alickadoos, as James Owens is with knowledgeable Galway hurling fans.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3221 - 10/10/2023 14:40:55

Barnes will not be an issue. he's one of the best in the world. we're very used to him refereeing our players be it with provinces or national side and it isnt a problem"
We will need that little bit of luck too. If both teams play their best there will be nothing in it."
I heard Gregor Paul?, an NZ rugby correspondent, tell Newstalk last evening that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably. This lad has written 7 books about rugby I see, so clearly knows what he's talking about!!"]He thinks Josh Van De Flier is from Cape Town rather than Wicklow..."]Etc, etc, etc, in the meantime tenacity mental strength and the ability to play this game at the highest level will bring out a hard-earned win for Andy Farrells all-inclusive squad, I'm going to challenge Mr. Gregor Paul after he tells Newstalk that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably.

This game in my opinion will be tighter than tight, nothing between the two sides with time almost up, I predict a full-time score with Ireland being victorious on a score of 25point to 22, I'll go further and predict the sides being level with a couple of minutes to go to full time when Johnny Sexton sends over a penalty for the winning score. Ireland 25 - - - - NZ 22, - final answer.

Sorry for spoiling George Paul's party.

PS - Surely there must be one or two posters out there who appear to know lots more about the game of rugby than I do that are brave enough to predict a final score.??

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2904 - 13/10/2023 09:14:05    2508111

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Replying To supersub15:  "
Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "[quote=Pope_Benedict:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "Well its time now for Ireland to make it happen and win the QF. There is nothing to say that NZ are a better team and its now up to Ireland to prove it. I believe they will, the QF will more similar to the SA game than the Scotland game with the forwards to the fore. Hopefully the injuries are not as bad as they seemed.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1675 - 09/10/2023 19:17:23

Hopefully we win. wont try and say anything about if we dont until after as all depends on the performance as all too often we've not performed at all in a knock out game. we've just been well beaten


Wayne Barnes! As popular with Irish alickadoos, as James Owens is with knowledgeable Galway hurling fans.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3221 - 10/10/2023 14:40:55

Barnes will not be an issue. he's one of the best in the world. we're very used to him refereeing our players be it with provinces or national side and it isnt a problem"
We will need that little bit of luck too. If both teams play their best there will be nothing in it."
I heard Gregor Paul?, an NZ rugby correspondent, tell Newstalk last evening that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably. This lad has written 7 books about rugby I see, so clearly knows what he's talking about!!"]He thinks Josh Van De Flier is from Cape Town rather than Wicklow..."]Etc, etc, etc, in the meantime tenacity mental strength and the ability to play this game at the highest level will bring out a hard-earned win for Andy Farrells all-inclusive squad, I'm going to challenge Mr. Gregor Paul after he tells Newstalk that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably.

This game in my opinion will be tighter than tight, nothing between the two sides with time almost up, I predict a full-time score with Ireland being victorious on a score of 25point to 22, I'll go further and predict the sides being level with a couple of minutes to go to full time when Johnny Sexton sends over a penalty for the winning score. Ireland 25 - - - - NZ 22, - final answer.

Sorry for spoiling George Paul's party.

PS - Surely there must be one or two posters out there who appear to know lots more about the game of rugby than I do that are brave enough to predict a final score.??"]As you say a very tight one to call, NZ have not been tested since French game and come in fresh, whereas Ireland are coming off the back of two wins against top five opposition, have had their system tested and found the answers in real time, this ability will hopefully swing in our way. Ryan and Henshaw big losses coming off bench for final quater. Still think we squeese into semi by 4/5 points. 25 to 21.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2114 - 13/10/2023 14:44:03    2508199

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Replying To seadog54:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "[quote=TerribleFootwork:  "[quote=Pope_Benedict:  "[quote=Viking66:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "Well its time now for Ireland to make it happen and win the QF. There is nothing to say that NZ are a better team and its now up to Ireland to prove it. I believe they will, the QF will more similar to the SA game than the Scotland game with the forwards to the fore. Hopefully the injuries are not as bad as they seemed.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1675 - 09/10/2023 19:17:23

Hopefully we win. wont try and say anything about if we dont until after as all depends on the performance as all too often we've not performed at all in a knock out game. we've just been well beaten


Wayne Barnes! As popular with Irish alickadoos, as James Owens is with knowledgeable Galway hurling fans.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3221 - 10/10/2023 14:40:55

Barnes will not be an issue. he's one of the best in the world. we're very used to him refereeing our players be it with provinces or national side and it isnt a problem"
We will need that little bit of luck too. If both teams play their best there will be nothing in it."
I heard Gregor Paul?, an NZ rugby correspondent, tell Newstalk last evening that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably. This lad has written 7 books about rugby I see, so clearly knows what he's talking about!!"]He thinks Josh Van De Flier is from Cape Town rather than Wicklow..."]Etc, etc, etc, in the meantime tenacity mental strength and the ability to play this game at the highest level will bring out a hard-earned win for Andy Farrells all-inclusive squad, I'm going to challenge Mr. Gregor Paul after he tells Newstalk that some part of him expects it to be over by HT......NZ winning comfortably.

This game in my opinion will be tighter than tight, nothing between the two sides with time almost up, I predict a full-time score with Ireland being victorious on a score of 25point to 22, I'll go further and predict the sides being level with a couple of minutes to go to full time when Johnny Sexton sends over a penalty for the winning score. Ireland 25 - - - - NZ 22, - final answer.

Sorry for spoiling George Paul's party.

PS - Surely there must be one or two posters out there who appear to know lots more about the game of rugby than I do that are brave enough to predict a final score.??"]As you say a very tight one to call, NZ have not been tested since French game and come in fresh, whereas Ireland are coming off the back of two wins against top five opposition, have had their system tested and found the answers in real time, this ability will hopefully swing in our way. Ryan and Henshaw big losses coming off bench for final quater. Still think we squeese into semi by 4/5 points. 25 to 21."]seadog54 (Meath) Thank you for your reply and for your final score prediction. I believe as a country we are on the cusp of sporting greatness so if, and when we achieve victory on Saturday, we will have one hand on the cup and the country will come to a near full stop.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2904 - 13/10/2023 21:29:34    2508273

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Heroic effort. I thought Jonny Sexton was a bit anxious of the place kicks. The first penalty of the game needed to be kicked, but we didn't seem to fancy it, and kicked to the corner losing the lineout. JS missed another 3 in the second half. That's 6, and we lost by 4. England won the 2003 RWC largely because they took points from ALL these kicking opportunities. Indeed if SA had a competent kicker in the recent pool game v Ireland, we'd have lost that game too.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 14/10/2023 22:33:54    2508380

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Hard to swallow

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 14/10/2023 23:05:50    2508384

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Heroic effort. I thought Jonny Sexton was a bit anxious of the place kicks. The first penalty of the game needed to be kicked, but we didn't seem to fancy it, and kicked to the corner losing the lineout. JS missed another 3 in the second half. That's 6, and we lost by 4. England won the 2003 RWC largely because they took points from ALL these kicking opportunities. Indeed if SA had a competent kicker in the recent pool game v Ireland, we'd have lost that game too."
NZ missed couple also, so loss not down to place kicking. Lineout, especiall in first half was once again poor and most of our team were that little bit off, however credit to NZ played their best rugby when it really mattered. Enjoyed the journey while it lasted, dissapointed for all concerned, Just have to get behind the English now. All together now, Swing Low Sweet........

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2114 - 14/10/2023 23:15:38    2508385

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Heroic effort. I thought Jonny Sexton was a bit anxious of the place kicks. The first penalty of the game needed to be kicked, but we didn't seem to fancy it, and kicked to the corner losing the lineout. JS missed another 3 in the second half. That's 6, and we lost by 4. England won the 2003 RWC largely because they took points from ALL these kicking opportunities. Indeed if SA had a competent kicker in the recent pool game v Ireland, we'd have lost that game too."
Heroic? there's like 10 maximum serious rugby countries in the world, and they can't get out of top eight. Like I said before. no different to Offaly beating Dublin in O'Byrne Cup or indeed Dublin beating Cats in Walsh.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 14/10/2023 23:17:43    2508387

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Heroic effort. I thought Jonny Sexton was a bit anxious of the place kicks. The first penalty of the game needed to be kicked, but we didn't seem to fancy it, and kicked to the corner losing the lineout. JS missed another 3 in the second half. That's 6, and we lost by 4. England won the 2003 RWC largely because they took points from ALL these kicking opportunities. Indeed if SA had a competent kicker in the recent pool game v Ireland, we'd have lost that game too."
They left it all on the pitch, and lost to a good team by small margin. Proud of them!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 189 - 15/10/2023 00:04:33    2508392

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I remember some of the rugby crew here used to take great delight in calling the Dub "losers".

I prefer the term "fast track bullies." First in the world during the friendly season. Who won the O'Byrne Cup or the McGrath?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 15/10/2023 02:16:21    2508397

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NZ sucked ye in. Played the poor mouth. Call a spade a spade of that was Mayo it would be called a pure bottle job. People waffling about Ireland 10+

You can't beat tradition and culture and rugby in NZ is what GAA is here.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11216 - 15/10/2023 07:09:07    2508398

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Heroic effort. I thought Jonny Sexton was a bit anxious of the place kicks. The first penalty of the game needed to be kicked, but we didn't seem to fancy it, and kicked to the corner losing the lineout. JS missed another 3 in the second half. That's 6, and we lost by 4. England won the 2003 RWC largely because they took points from ALL these kicking opportunities. Indeed if SA had a competent kicker in the recent pool game v Ireland, we'd have lost that game too."
We got a try off the drop out from that missed kick. South Africa got a try off one of theirs coming back off the post.

Kicking didn't lose us the match last night.

Handling errors and the NZ tackle height not being reffed probably the 2 biggest contributors.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4909 - 15/10/2023 08:46:57    2508400

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Heroic effort. I thought Jonny Sexton was a bit anxious of the place kicks. The first penalty of the game needed to be kicked, but we didn't seem to fancy it, and kicked to the corner losing the lineout. JS missed another 3 in the second half. That's 6, and we lost by 4. England won the 2003 RWC largely because they took points from ALL these kicking opportunities. Indeed if SA had a competent kicker in the recent pool game v Ireland, we'd have lost that game too."
Sexton didn't miss 'another 3 in the second half'. Plus, at least one of the kicks to the corner resulted in an Irish try.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2398 - 15/10/2023 09:11:52    2508403

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It's the same old theme since 2019...

Might beat them in a friendly or two before Australia 2027 though.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 15/10/2023 10:41:50    2508412

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