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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Sexton didn't miss 'another 3 in the second half'. Plus, at least one of the kicks to the corner resulted in an Irish try."
He missed 3 points was my point, not 3 more kicks. One try from how many kicks to the corner? If it's more than two, you're losing, if you've a kicker confident enough to nail all his goals. England had in 2003. Sexton wasn't confident enough on the goal kicks last night. The miss proved it, but the early kick to the corner hinted at it too, disturbingly from my perspective at least.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 15/10/2023 11:50:57    2508417

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Replying To cavanman47:  "We got a try off the drop out from that missed kick. South Africa got a try off one of theirs coming back off the post.

Kicking didn't lose us the match last night.

Handling errors and the NZ tackle height not being reffed probably the 2 biggest contributors."
I didn't say kicking lost us the match. One the panel themes was that NZ could score tries quickly 'out of nothing!!', while Ireland had to score them by being systematic, and going through phases. Nobody mentioned the scalding irony that even the 'Ireland' tries on the night were scored by two New Zealanders.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 15/10/2023 11:58:48    2508419

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Heroic? there's like 10 maximum serious rugby countries in the world, and they can't get out of top eight. Like I said before. no different to Offaly beating Dublin in O'Byrne Cup or indeed Dublin beating Cats in Walsh."
I don't really buy this quarter final bs this time. Ireland clearly proved themselves top4 material at this world cup, but that top4 met in just 2 of the qfinals. On the other hand, you have to admit that 3 of our backs are New Zealanders, and one is an Aussie, and we're all the better for it!!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 15/10/2023 12:04:54    2508422

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I don't watch much rugby but I had a look at it last night, in a way Ireland last night reminded me of how Donegal played in the 2014 All Ireland final,
I think we were favs for that final going in against Kerry which was unusual and I think the pressure and expectation took it's toll, Ireland favs against the traditional big team in world rugby didn't sit well with them either.
Donegal just weren't ready to play that day and never got going, taking nothing away from Kerry's victory.
I think Ireland last night had a touch of the same problem.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2664 - 15/10/2023 12:08:50    2508423

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Heroic? there's like 10 maximum serious rugby countries in the world, and they can't get out of top eight. Like I said before. no different to Offaly beating Dublin in O'Byrne Cup or indeed Dublin beating Cats in Walsh."
That isnt true about 10 max serious rugby countries. name the 10 please?
its disapointing but havent seen game fully yet so wont comment properly on the game itself.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3451 - 15/10/2023 12:11:40    2508424

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "I don't really buy this quarter final bs this time. Ireland clearly proved themselves top4 material at this world cup, but that top4 met in just 2 of the qfinals. On the other hand, you have to admit that 3 of our backs are New Zealanders, and one is an Aussie, and we're all the better for it!!"
Irish rugby will be strong for foreseeable future. The young replacements Jimmy O' Brien and Joe McCarthy performed heroically when introduced, and we could have stolen it at the death. Probably one of the best games I have ever witnessed.

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 189 - 15/10/2023 12:12:17    2508425

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I always feared the tough draw we had would be our undoing .NZ came in to the game a lot fresher,We played the almost perfect game against Scotland and we would have needed similar last night which is hard to do but we fought really hard and despite some mistakes in set pieces it could still have gone our way.Despite all that there was one thing that stood out for me and that was that we lost the second half 10 to 7 even though we totally dominated possession and territory and that was the losing of the game.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1037 - 15/10/2023 12:16:34    2508426

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No excuses, we were told this was different. It wasn't despite the effort. Flopped first 20 mins and played a quarter of the game with an extra man. It was there to be won.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7777 - 15/10/2023 12:18:41    2508428

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Replying To KillingFields:  "That isnt true about 10 max serious rugby countries. name the 10 please?
its disapointing but havent seen game fully yet so wont comment properly on the game itself."
The Six Nations - one of whom is Taliteann cup level, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, A few second tier others like the Pacific islands and Argentina. that be it really? Winner will always come from 4/5 of them.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 15/10/2023 12:29:18    2508430

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The Six Nations - one of whom is Taliteann cup level, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, A few second tier others like the Pacific islands and Argentina. that be it really? Winner will always come from 4/5 of them."
Your GAA terms are wrong and second tier? Argentina isnt a 2nd tier side at all.
you havent a clue

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3451 - 15/10/2023 12:43:24    2508434

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "No excuses, we were told this was different. It wasn't despite the effort. Flopped first 20 mins and played a quarter of the game with an extra man. It was there to be won."
It was.......different. We beat SA, and lost to NZ by 4 points. That indicates clearly to me that Ireland were closer to the top standard than they've ever exhibited before at a RWC. I don't ever remember Ireland being particularly competitive v SA & NZ at a world cup, correct me if I'm wrong there.

The grey haired auld barman in the Paddy Power advert knew more about it than all the shiny young wans the whole time.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3355 - 15/10/2023 12:47:17    2508435

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "No excuses, we were told this was different. It wasn't despite the effort. Flopped first 20 mins and played a quarter of the game with an extra man. It was there to be won."
But it wasnt a choke.
You can lose a game without choking. thats what happened. it was there to be won but it was a 1 score game between 2 of the best sides in the world. we unfortunately fell short.
hopefully we will do it at the next world cup

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3451 - 15/10/2023 12:50:21    2508436

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I'm surprised with a lot of negative comments towards the rugby..the last few weeks have lifted the whole country and taken minds off a lot of horrible …te going on in the world..it's going to be hard to watch rest of World Cup with Ireland now gone..they were possibly 6 inches away from a winning try only for Barrett getting his hand under the ball,it's small margins..special mention to Johnny and Keith earls who are now finished on the international stage..I wonder will a few more follow..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2142 - 15/10/2023 12:59:07    2508438

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Your GAA terms are wrong and second tier? Argentina isnt a 2nd tier side at all.
you havent a clue"
The odds on who will win it at the start and even now tell me all i need to know about the relative rankings. Very similar in fact to the odds the hurling next year. Fiji and Argentina had and have as much chance of winning as Dublin and Wexford.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2414 - 15/10/2023 13:11:22    2508440

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "It was.......different. We beat SA, and lost to NZ by 4 points. That indicates clearly to me that Ireland were closer to the top standard than they've ever exhibited before at a RWC. I don't ever remember Ireland being particularly competitive v SA & NZ at a world cup, correct me if I'm wrong there.

The grey haired auld barman in the Paddy Power advert knew more about it than all the shiny young wans the whole time."
Ireland have beaten the top sides before in group stages. Why do people look for excuses everywhere, all the time. They were tipped to win by every pundit across the board because of what they did pre WC and pre quarter final. They had to get it done and they didn't perform for first 20 and played a quarter of the game with an extra man and didn't take advantage of it. I have been a defender of our rugby teams for many years on here but spare me the hard luck stories.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7777 - 15/10/2023 13:13:56    2508441

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "It was.......different. We beat SA, and lost to NZ by 4 points. That indicates clearly to me that Ireland were closer to the top standard than they've ever exhibited before at a RWC. I don't ever remember Ireland being particularly competitive v SA & NZ at a world cup, correct me if I'm wrong there.

The grey haired auld barman in the Paddy Power advert knew more about it than all the shiny young wans the whole time."
SA lost to Japan 4 years ago and won it. Will probably do it again this time out. Quarter final the only show in town.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7777 - 15/10/2023 13:15:47    2508442

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I'm surprised with a lot of negative comments towards the rugby..the last few weeks have lifted the whole country and taken minds off a lot of horrible …te going on in the world..it's going to be hard to watch rest of World Cup with Ireland now gone..they were possibly 6 inches away from a winning try only for Barrett getting his hand under the ball,it's small margins..special mention to Johnny and Keith earls who are now finished on the international stage..I wonder will a few more follow.."
There is really no surprise, some have just being waiting to put the booth in, I agree last few weeks have been great and majority of sports fans have gotten behind team, fantastic crowds from all walks of life and great tv viewing figures. I take the view Irish Rugby is in a good place going forward, lots of talent coming through and hopefully we can get Andy F to commit until after next WC. Need a shake up in backroom team, set pieces, especially line out has been an issue and again let us down yesterday when we needed it to be spot on. Overall a very enjoyable two years, plenty more to come from Irish Rugby. No doubt one or two more will step aside, sad to see two of our best JS and KE ending career's on such a downer.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2114 - 15/10/2023 13:55:32    2508446

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "Irish rugby will be strong for foreseeable future. The young replacements Jimmy O' Brien and Joe McCarthy performed heroically when introduced, and we could have stolen it at the death. Probably one of the best games I have ever witnessed."
Indeed we were involved in two of the best games of this and many other WC's. Little or nothing between the three teams. Onwards and upwards, the future is bright for Irish Rugby.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2114 - 15/10/2023 14:02:36    2508448

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "It was.......different. We beat SA, and lost to NZ by 4 points. That indicates clearly to me that Ireland were closer to the top standard than they've ever exhibited before at a RWC. I don't ever remember Ireland being particularly competitive v SA & NZ at a world cup, correct me if I'm wrong there.

The grey haired auld barman in the Paddy Power advert knew more about it than all the shiny young wans the whole time."
Choked big time, not near good enough , ref tried his best for them. Saxton as usual couldn't take his beating pointing and crying at opposing players after the final whistle. Up to now winning matches and playing stupid Zombie song reminded me of the way the English go on . Back down to earth with a bump. Keep your rugby and keep your Zombie song.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1986 - 15/10/2023 14:51:18    2508454

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How about 'When You Say Nothing at All' ?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1059 - 15/10/2023 15:38:39    2508461

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