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I'd take a bunch of unvetted immigrants a lot quicker than a bunch of thugs from that area. No interest in anything other than crime. Time for the bleeding hearts to pull their necks in. Giving scrotes everything they want and expecting them to become functioning members of society doesn't work. They have every opportunity they want.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 78 - 24/11/2023 12:49:42
I'd take a bit of exception to some of this.
1. Those that caused the trouble yesterday came from all over the city and surrounding areas, not just the North inner city. They were organising to get themselves into town as soon as the news broke of the incident on Parnell Sq yesterday afternoon.
2. "every opportunity they want" just isn't true. Kids from disadvantaged areas do not have the same opportunities as those from more affluent areas. You may argue that too much is given too easily in social welfare etc but that's a different argument in my opinion. You shouldn't pretend that we all start climbing the ladder from the same place. Someone from a middle class background in Leitrim starts life a few rungs up the ladder in comparison to a kid born into poverty in the flats on Joyce St. That's undeniable but it also doesn't excuse what we have seen in the last 24 hours.
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Replying To MesAmis: "I'd take a bunch of unvetted immigrants a lot quicker than a bunch of thugs from that area. No interest in anything other than crime. Time for the bleeding hearts to pull their necks in. Giving scrotes everything they want and expecting them to become functioning members of society doesn't work. They have every opportunity they want.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 78 - 24/11/2023 12:49:42
I'd take a bit of exception to some of this.
1. Those that caused the trouble yesterday came from all over the city and surrounding areas, not just the North inner city. They were organising to get themselves into town as soon as the news broke of the incident on Parnell Sq yesterday afternoon.
2. "every opportunity they want" just isn't true. Kids from disadvantaged areas do not have the same opportunities as those from more affluent areas. You may argue that too much is given too easily in social welfare etc but that's a different argument in my opinion. You shouldn't pretend that we all start climbing the ladder from the same place. Someone from a middle class background in Leitrim starts life a few rungs up the ladder in comparison to a kid born into poverty in the flats on Joyce St. That's undeniable but it also doesn't excuse what we have seen in the last 24 hours." Spot on lad
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 24/11/2023 13:45:46
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Replying To MesAmis: "I'd take a bunch of unvetted immigrants a lot quicker than a bunch of thugs from that area. No interest in anything other than crime. Time for the bleeding hearts to pull their necks in. Giving scrotes everything they want and expecting them to become functioning members of society doesn't work. They have every opportunity they want.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 78 - 24/11/2023 12:49:42
I'd take a bit of exception to some of this.
1. Those that caused the trouble yesterday came from all over the city and surrounding areas, not just the North inner city. They were organising to get themselves into town as soon as the news broke of the incident on Parnell Sq yesterday afternoon.
2. "every opportunity they want" just isn't true. Kids from disadvantaged areas do not have the same opportunities as those from more affluent areas. You may argue that too much is given too easily in social welfare etc but that's a different argument in my opinion. You shouldn't pretend that we all start climbing the ladder from the same place. Someone from a middle class background in Leitrim starts life a few rungs up the ladder in comparison to a kid born into poverty in the flats on Joyce St. That's undeniable but it also doesn't excuse what we have seen in the last 24 hours." Yes a bit of nuance is needed here, something which increasingly goes missing regularly on most topics of discussion nowadays.
Look at the Israel-Palestine issue. Every Tom, Dick and Harry wading in giving their hot take, on one side or the other.
On an issue that is centuries old. Christian, Arab and Jew have been at each other's throats for centuries and Karen on Twitter has all the answers.
Call me cyncial, but in an era where someone like Donald Trump can become US president, and the UK voted for Brexit, I'm sceptical that the situation in the Middle East will be resolved anytime soon,.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9359 - 24/11/2023 13:53:20
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Replying To MesAmis: "I'd take a bunch of unvetted immigrants a lot quicker than a bunch of thugs from that area. No interest in anything other than crime. Time for the bleeding hearts to pull their necks in. Giving scrotes everything they want and expecting them to become functioning members of society doesn't work. They have every opportunity they want.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 78 - 24/11/2023 12:49:42
I'd take a bit of exception to some of this.
1. Those that caused the trouble yesterday came from all over the city and surrounding areas, not just the North inner city. They were organising to get themselves into town as soon as the news broke of the incident on Parnell Sq yesterday afternoon.
2. "every opportunity they want" just isn't true. Kids from disadvantaged areas do not have the same opportunities as those from more affluent areas. You may argue that too much is given too easily in social welfare etc but that's a different argument in my opinion. You shouldn't pretend that we all start climbing the ladder from the same place. Someone from a middle class background in Leitrim starts life a few rungs up the ladder in comparison to a kid born into poverty in the flats on Joyce St. That's undeniable but it also doesn't excuse what we have seen in the last 24 hours." So you'd happily spend an hour walking around Sean Mac Street, Marlborough St. etc. etc. after darkness? You'd expect to be safe? Get real.
Of course its not confined to the North inner city but its always been a huge problem. If they're from other parts of the city at least the rest of us don't have to suffer them but this is our premier street. It should be spotless and safe for law abiding people.
With regard to people having a better start in life, stop it. These are the same excuses that we've been sold for years. There's an entire industry built up around people trying to mollycoddle these people. Blaming everyone else. I know plenty of people who came from nothing and have made a life for themselves. At the very least they live a decent life and behave as functioning members of society. They have family members who chose to get involved in crime. Same start. Same opportunities. Different choices.
The days of the Bugsy Malone gang and having to rob to eat are long gone. These toerags aren't short of anything least of all excuses.
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Eh, these people from "disadvantaged" areas are actually more advantaged than they make out.
Young people in my village don't have a bus that stops at their doorstep (or very near it) to take them to work. Or to go to university, instead of having to pay extortionate rent in cities...
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "So you'd happily spend an hour walking around Sean Mac Street, Marlborough St. etc. etc. after darkness? You'd expect to be safe? Get real.
Of course its not confined to the North inner city but its always been a huge problem. If they're from other parts of the city at least the rest of us don't have to suffer them but this is our premier street. It should be spotless and safe for law abiding people.
With regard to people having a better start in life, stop it. These are the same excuses that we've been sold for years. There's an entire industry built up around people trying to mollycoddle these people. Blaming everyone else. I know plenty of people who came from nothing and have made a life for themselves. At the very least they live a decent life and behave as functioning members of society. They have family members who chose to get involved in crime. Same start. Same opportunities. Different choices.
The days of the Bugsy Malone gang and having to rob to eat are long gone. These toerags aren't short of anything least of all excuses." These lads are brought up not knowing how to work. No education either. On the street from 10 years old. They are unemployable. Until they are 18 they have no money from social welfare. Until they are 25 they have 100 yos a week. At the same time they need to have phones, fancy clothes etc because the TV and Internet tells them so, every young person has these things. If they want to drive they have to steal a car. And you wonder why they end up being criminals?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 24/11/2023 15:19:31
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "So you'd happily spend an hour walking around Sean Mac Street, Marlborough St. etc. etc. after darkness? You'd expect to be safe? Get real.
Of course its not confined to the North inner city but its always been a huge problem. If they're from other parts of the city at least the rest of us don't have to suffer them but this is our premier street. It should be spotless and safe for law abiding people.
With regard to people having a better start in life, stop it. These are the same excuses that we've been sold for years. There's an entire industry built up around people trying to mollycoddle these people. Blaming everyone else. I know plenty of people who came from nothing and have made a life for themselves. At the very least they live a decent life and behave as functioning members of society. They have family members who chose to get involved in crime. Same start. Same opportunities. Different choices.
The days of the Bugsy Malone gang and having to rob to eat are long gone. These toerags aren't short of anything least of all excuses." Would you prefer a Duterte-style solution to deal with these 'toerags'?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7529 - 24/11/2023 15:53:57
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "So you'd happily spend an hour walking around Sean Mac Street, Marlborough St. etc. etc. after darkness? You'd expect to be safe? Get real.
Of course its not confined to the North inner city but its always been a huge problem. If they're from other parts of the city at least the rest of us don't have to suffer them but this is our premier street. It should be spotless and safe for law abiding people.
With regard to people having a better start in life, stop it. These are the same excuses that we've been sold for years. There's an entire industry built up around people trying to mollycoddle these people. Blaming everyone else. I know plenty of people who came from nothing and have made a life for themselves. At the very least they live a decent life and behave as functioning members of society. They have family members who chose to get involved in crime. Same start. Same opportunities. Different choices.
The days of the Bugsy Malone gang and having to rob to eat are long gone. These toerags aren't short of anything least of all excuses." I regularly walk those streets at all times of the day/ night as they part of the place I grew up in and still live and work in.
I'm not excusing behaviour but it is ludicrous to suggest that everyone starts life with the same opportunities. That has never been true in the whole of human civilisation. To deny it is to deny reality.
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Time for the government to get their finger out and arm the Garda to the hilt…. These toe rags have no fear of the Garda in their current form as they pose them no real threat… If a couple of the thugs had a bullet put in them last night the rest wouldn't be long fleeing home afraid of their lives… Sending Guards into a situation like that armed with nothing but a baton is a complete waste of time and not fair on them or their families… Is it any wonder Garda are leaving the force in their droves… Who in their right minds would put themselves in these situations with the type of mindless thugs that are roaming our streets at present…. Time to take action… Wakey up gomeless Government…!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2341 - 24/11/2023 16:47:20
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Discussions like this make it clear how much the middle class Irish dislike the lower class, I couldn't read much of the Boards.ie thread. They will take any chance to degrade and abuse them. There were thousands of peasants in Dublin who weren't out rioting but the middle/upper class ignore that.
I find it ironic given that the immigrants they always stick up for are also usually part of the lower class. So when you make your jibes about the lower class you are insulting them too.
PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 234 - 24/11/2023 16:53:48
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Replying To MesAmis: "I regularly walk those streets at all times of the day/ night as they part of the place I grew up in and still live and work in.
I'm not excusing behaviour but it is ludicrous to suggest that everyone starts life with the same opportunities. That has never been true in the whole of human civilisation. To deny it is to deny reality." Live in a lot of places down the country and you'll have no choice but to accept that more than likely you'll have to live a long way from home to go to college or get a job. No place is perfect but most of us get on with it. What are these lads expecting? That they'll walk into the MD job on their first day?
It wasn't a crowd of culchies or immigrants that were thieving and burning buses. Its a cultural thing. Everything should be free and its someone elses fault. Its the Guards or the government. Its never their own fault. Plenty of pearl clutchers to tell them they're right.
Having a city on your doorstep provides you with plenty of opportunities in life if you're willing to take them. Let's be honest, chances are your parent(s) isn't out working to pay a mortgage because the state has provided a free house/apartment. Obviously it's a disgrace if they don't provide their offspring with a free place as well!
If you feel safe enough to walk around those areas fair play. A lot of people don't feel safe and they're right. To deny that is to deny the reality that is staring us in the face.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 123 - 24/11/2023 18:27:35
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Time for the government to get their finger out and arm the Garda to the hilt…. These toe rags have no fear of the Garda in their current form as they pose them no real threat… If a couple of the thugs had a bullet put in them last night the rest wouldn't be long fleeing home afraid of their lives… Sending Guards into a situation like that armed with nothing but a baton is a complete waste of time and not fair on them or their families… Is it any wonder Garda are leaving the force in their droves… Who in their right minds would put themselves in these situations with the type of mindless thugs that are roaming our streets at present…. Time to take action… Wakey up gomeless Government…!!!" Just start shooting people? Do you know your Island's history, north and south? Some of our worst days/years began with law enforcement shooting at the public. I agree, last night in Dublin was a disgrace but it would be wise to bare in mind the consequences of hard line actions too. America use bullets, has it solved their public disorder issues? Some of their reactions to hard line policing need no introduction at this stage but they make what happened in Dublin last night, look like a pillow fight. Nothing wrong with cops making arrests and those involved being charged with fines or sentences but shooting at people for non fatal offences? Come on now!
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Replying To Viking66: "Half those lads or more are unemployable. They are raised up not knowing how to work. Their "education " consists of whatever nonsense they read on social media. They are ripe to be exploited by more sinister elements." Why aren't the Department of Social Protection putting these people on work schemes?
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Replying To Viking66: "These lads are brought up not knowing how to work. No education either. On the street from 10 years old. They are unemployable. Until they are 18 they have no money from social welfare. Until they are 25 they have 100 yos a week. At the same time they need to have phones, fancy clothes etc because the TV and Internet tells them so, every young person has these things. If they want to drive they have to steal a car. And you wonder why they end up being criminals?" But the DEASP will harass and hound the s**t out of people who genuinely want to work and are out of work through little fault of their own.
bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 176 - 24/11/2023 19:04:15
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Time for the government to get their finger out and arm the Garda to the hilt…. These toe rags have no fear of the Garda in their current form as they pose them no real threat… If a couple of the thugs had a bullet put in them last night the rest wouldn't be long fleeing home afraid of their lives… Sending Guards into a situation like that armed with nothing but a baton is a complete waste of time and not fair on them or their families… Is it any wonder Garda are leaving the force in their droves… Who in their right minds would put themselves in these situations with the type of mindless thugs that are roaming our streets at present…. Time to take action… Wakey up gomeless Government…!!!" Glad you have nothing to do with policing . Last night was bad , especially turning on guards and property and they should be dealt with accordingly but there are worse people on our streets. Drug dealers, knife attacks on children, sex attacks.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2097 - 24/11/2023 19:07:33
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Replying To Lockjaw: "The ordinary decent folk of the North Inner City are as genuine a people as you could meet mo chara.
There is no doubt that there is a sinister right-wing element festering away, not just in Ireland. They have a big problem with it in the UK, and unfortunately in other EU countries rightwing parties have made grounds in Italy, Holland and Slovakia.
But it's not just that. As you say last night's events can't solely be blamed on the far right though. A good proportion of them would also appear to adhere to the ideology of just being a ****." Who are these right wing boogeymen
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Replying To bruffgael: "Why aren't the Department of Social Protection putting these people on work schemes?" They probably are trying to. And the young lads are probably not going, or not taking it seriously if they do.
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Live in a lot of places down the country and you'll have no choice but to accept that more than likely you'll have to live a long way from home to go to college or get a job. No place is perfect but most of us get on with it. What are these lads expecting? That they'll walk into the MD job on their first day?
It wasn't a crowd of culchies or immigrants that were thieving and burning buses. Its a cultural thing. Everything should be free and its someone elses fault. Its the Guards or the government. Its never their own fault. Plenty of pearl clutchers to tell them they're right.
Having a city on your doorstep provides you with plenty of opportunities in life if you're willing to take them. Let's be honest, chances are your parent(s) isn't out working to pay a mortgage because the state has provided a free house/apartment. Obviously it's a disgrace if they don't provide their offspring with a free place as well!
If you feel safe enough to walk around those areas fair play. A lot of people don't feel safe and they're right. To deny that is to deny the reality that is staring us in the face." It might shock you but the majority of people in or around the North Inner City are working. A huge proportion of people living in the North Inner City are immigrants or country people.
The notion that everyone turns 18 and gets a free gaf beside their Ma's house is such middle class lads in a pub BS.
Hundreds of thousands of people walk around those streets in completely safety every single day.
It is easier for kids from middle and upper class backgrounds to get on in life, that is undeniable. That doesn't excuse the criminality that exists to a larger extent in some areas but again to try and pretend that these lads just have to work as hard as the middle class lad from Leitrim to get to the same level is ludicrous.
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Replying To tommyjohn: "Who are these right wing boogeymen" Thankfully there aren't any who look likely to form an official political party & challenge the status quo anytime soon. But maybe that's what they said in Holland once upon a time as well and look who they've just elected.
We simply can't be blasé about it. The Internet is such a powerful tool for those who want to stir things up. I don't want to come across as some sort of tin hat wearing conspiracy theorist. But it's very easy to go down a rabbit hole online & find any amount of "facts" which would validate even the most of extreme views, no matter how preposterous they would seem to most level headed people.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9359 - 25/11/2023 11:07:22
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Replying To Viking66: "They probably are trying to. And the young lads are probably not going, or not taking it seriously if they do." Maybe so. But they are still getting welfare of some sort it's fair to say. Otherwise they would be starving.
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