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Replying To seamusorinn:  "Banty introduced them to the periphery only . When it came to the big learning days,he sat them on the bench,thus ensuring 3 or 4 walkways and after match infighting. Banty's 3 years have brought us back 5 years. If we are leaning to an ex Dub,why not wait to see what happens in their set up and maybe Farrell becomes available. If we stay in county,it has to be Callan for me with Counihan next on list. If an outside man comes in why not have these two men involved also. Why must managers come with their whole backroom team assembled. Could the Co. Board along with the new man not assemble it,involving Callan,Counihan and the Corrys or whoever else might be needed."
Mohan and Woods are hardly on the periphery. Conor Leonard looked like he'd feature prominently before he got injured too. The biggest problem to fix is getting the players back who walked - O'Hanlon was told he couldn't start when the league campaign started so had to walk. Other young lads have been let down too. That's the rebuild that is needed.

SoNearYetSoFarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 32 - 26/07/2022 20:53:36    2434713

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Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney:  "Mohan and Woods are hardly on the periphery. Conor Leonard looked like he'd feature prominently before he got injured too. The biggest problem to fix is getting the players back who walked - O'Hanlon was told he couldn't start when the league campaign started so had to walk. Other young lads have been let down too. That's the rebuild that is needed."
So the 15 over the age of 30 in the panel isn't the reason for the rebuild?

Few lads on here need to wake up, we've one of the oldest squads in the country never mind ulster and we play the majority of out football against ferocious opposition. Either wake up to the issue with the age in the current squad and lack of development or suffer the consequences for years to come. This blind-less opinion is exactly what's wrong in the county..

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 149 - 26/07/2022 21:59:31    2434727

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Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney:  "Mohan and Woods are hardly on the periphery. Conor Leonard looked like he'd feature prominently before he got injured too. The biggest problem to fix is getting the players back who walked - O'Hanlon was told he couldn't start when the league campaign started so had to walk. Other young lads have been let down too. That's the rebuild that is needed."
Starting 15 v Derry had one player that was brought in to the panel during Banty's 3 year reign. That was young Mohan. I think that answers all the questions about his motivation.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 265 - 27/07/2022 08:42:41    2434742

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The strange thing about Bantys time is he seemed to be integrating new players into the side woods o hanlon Mulligan etc in 2nd year but as last season wore on he went back to players that had been there under Malachy and the younger players had either left or were just impact subs. I agree the team needs a rebuild but not as big a one as people might think. There is the nucleus of a decent side there with players early to mid 20s. We just need a manager brave enough to play them and yes that means likes of mcmanus o connell Kelly Carey Wylies Hughes either leaving the panel or being content to be impact subs. Might mean relegations but better longer term to blood younger players than go on flogging the older guys to death and either more last day heroics or going down with the oldest side in country.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1692 - 27/07/2022 10:22:14    2434768

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Article in the Irishnews sport on Mark Counihan's ticket.

If true, extremely impressive team put together. Colin Malone of Ballybay, Colm Nally previously of Meath and Paul McIver previously of Kilcoo/Fermanagh/Donegal/Derry.

Great blend of homegrown coaching talent in Mark and Malone with outside expertise.
This appears to be the strongest ticket in the race.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 149 - 29/07/2022 10:41:09    2435197

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "Article in the Irishnews sport on Mark Counihan's ticket.

If true, extremely impressive team put together. Colin Malone of Ballybay, Colm Nally previously of Meath and Paul McIver previously of Kilcoo/Fermanagh/Donegal/Derry.

Great blend of homegrown coaching talent in Mark and Malone with outside expertise.
This appears to be the strongest ticket in the race."
While mark has been relatively impressive at minor level it's a different ball game all together at senior level dealing with egos and big characters etc within the dressing room so I wouldn't be as over joyed as some people on here with counihan getting the job..
Regarding malone there's a myth out there that's he a coaching messiah which is certainly not the case.. ask Lavey in Cavan for instance..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 350 - 29/07/2022 18:54:18    2435309

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Replying To mick2007:  "While mark has been relatively impressive at minor level it's a different ball game all together at senior level dealing with egos and big characters etc within the dressing room so I wouldn't be as over joyed as some people on here with counihan getting the job..
Regarding malone there's a myth out there that's he a coaching messiah which is certainly not the case.. ask Lavey in Cavan for instance.."
I was just thinking the same, I believe Mark needs a go at the club circuit to prove himself in regards to managing senior players. I have no doubt he will be Monaghan manager in the future, but maybe this time isn't the right time.
Also if I'm right Malone was part of that disaster of an under 20 setup from this year, which had to be the worst coached team that ever came out of the county. Followed closely by the tactic of Kick it to Andrew Woods which the banty employed in the 2019 under 20 season.

This appointment is vital, we took a step back with Eamon McEnaney in 2011&12. We then took a step back with banty for 3 years .

It seems the county board are lacking in ambition, Antrim went and head hunted McEntee. Monaghan should be moving heaven and earth to get the right manager for Monaghan.

On the Jason Sherlock rumour im not so certain either, going for celebrity name without the right pedigree.

Jason hasn't really managed any team and the one year he had the Dublin minors was a diaster. Being a number two to Jim Gavin isn't enough of a qualification for me.
Also you have to remember that was arguably the greatest team of all time.

The county board should go through the interview process with an open mind but if the candidates in front of them don't impress, they shouldn't be afraid to look elsewhere.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1875 - 30/07/2022 10:45:30    2435340

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Replying To mick2007:  "While mark has been relatively impressive at minor level it's a different ball game all together at senior level dealing with egos and big characters etc within the dressing room so I wouldn't be as over joyed as some people on here with counihan getting the job..
Regarding malone there's a myth out there that's he a coaching messiah which is certainly not the case.. ask Lavey in Cavan for instance.."
I think that's a bit harsh on Malone. You can cherry pick any manager/coaches career with that attitude. He was No2 in the Monaghan Under Age structure for the best part of a decade and we've had the most successful decade in our history at that level. I think he won a Championship with Blackhill after them trying for ages to get over the line with more illustrious names. I know Blayney were sorry to see him go, he won a league with Ballybay and got them to a Championship Final. And I think Corduff are unbeaten this year so far and as far as I can see, the only thing different from last year in Corduff is him. Think he would be an addition to any ticket.
If we had so many options, we would have a manager in place by now but obviously no one is banging down the door to get this job. So maybe it's time to accept reality that the Monaghan job is not an attractive gig at the moment. We're heading into the most competitive Ulster Championship in history, with 5 potential winners with an aging team. It's time to blood the youngsters, take the hits and plan for the future. If not, we're in danger of being the Jimmy White of the GAA.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 540 - 04/08/2022 10:32:04    2436136

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "I think that's a bit harsh on Malone. You can cherry pick any manager/coaches career with that attitude. He was No2 in the Monaghan Under Age structure for the best part of a decade and we've had the most successful decade in our history at that level. I think he won a Championship with Blackhill after them trying for ages to get over the line with more illustrious names. I know Blayney were sorry to see him go, he won a league with Ballybay and got them to a Championship Final. And I think Corduff are unbeaten this year so far and as far as I can see, the only thing different from last year in Corduff is him. Think he would be an addition to any ticket.
If we had so many options, we would have a manager in place by now but obviously no one is banging down the door to get this job. So maybe it's time to accept reality that the Monaghan job is not an attractive gig at the moment. We're heading into the most competitive Ulster Championship in history, with 5 potential winners with an aging team. It's time to blood the youngsters, take the hits and plan for the future. If not, we're in danger of being the Jimmy White of the GAA."
Right on the money. Has been an integral part of our under age system for many years. Have spoke to many lads in the development system over the years and all spoke highly of him. Very open minded and treated the lads with great respect.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 265 - 04/08/2022 12:16:07    2436178

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Replying To seamusorinn:  "Right on the money. Has been an integral part of our under age system for many years. Have spoke to many lads in the development system over the years and all spoke highly of him. Very open minded and treated the lads with great respect."
Absolutely, Malone is very highly thought of within the county especially those who have directly worked with him.
His Ballybay pushed Scotstown the closest of all them with a last min goal changing the outcome in normal time.

I really like the look of this set up. I've also heard Sherlock has gone off the idea of taking the role on now, combination of not being able to fill his backroom team along with wat appeared to be not all that bothered, just glad his interest/intentions were evident before he got in through the door.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 149 - 05/08/2022 12:01:21    2436306

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Replying To patmouse:  "i see Seamus the USA man is setting up faults threads about Banty on the main page, has this man no shame. if Banty lost the coin toss in a game, this was a national disaster for our man in the USA , not winning Ulster's and ALL Irelands was complete and utter failure, yet he's willing to give the new team 5 years to build a team that only 3 weeks ago, he said should have been winning AL finals."
Seen a recent thread " banty 2 in wexford" created by seamususa. Saying he heared banty heading back to Wexford and now saying philly mc mahon is part of bantys background team. Was very bored last night and went through this forum and nearly every post he has mentions banty and how bad of a job he done. Does it bring joy to him when he is slating another man behind a fake name on a social media website. Sometimes you've to wonder whats going on in one's life to try bring another man down.

Can we all not appreciate the time and effort that goes into inter county management and be thankful that he took on the job instead of being hateful and jealous like Seamus. Now we are struggling to bring in someone with good credentials. Im involved in senior club mgt and it take a toll on your life nevermind county management.

MonaghanBoi (Monaghan) - Posts: 37 - 07/08/2022 14:42:17    2436538

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With round one of the championship completed in junior intermediate and senior did it tell us much?

monaghanman99 (Monaghan) - Posts: 42 - 07/08/2022 19:43:54    2436572

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Replying To monaghanman99:  "With round one of the championship completed in junior intermediate and senior did it tell us much?"
Blayney management team are gone

MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 17 - 08/08/2022 08:07:12    2436591

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Blayney are in big trouble, management after walking out and they just look so poor. Couldn't beat half an Inniskeen team Saturday night despite Inniskeen playing with 14 for most of the game. They always manage to do enough but surely this is the year they're sent packing from Senior football. Donaghmoyne and Aughnamullen seem strong with good young teams so think the writing is on the wall for this Blayney team.

Don't expect anyone to get within 10 points of Killanny in any game in Junior, far too strong to be down there.

Monaghansclown (Monaghan) - Posts: 130 - 08/08/2022 09:47:22    2436606

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Clones very strong too but time will tell with them seem to **** the load in finals for some reason but look good this year so far

Lad79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 42 - 08/08/2022 12:32:38    2436637

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Replying To MonaghanBoi:  "Seen a recent thread " banty 2 in wexford" created by seamususa. Saying he heared banty heading back to Wexford and now saying philly mc mahon is part of bantys background team. Was very bored last night and went through this forum and nearly every post he has mentions banty and how bad of a job he done. Does it bring joy to him when he is slating another man behind a fake name on a social media website. Sometimes you've to wonder whats going on in one's life to try bring another man down.

Can we all not appreciate the time and effort that goes into inter county management and be thankful that he took on the job instead of being hateful and jealous like Seamus. Now we are struggling to bring in someone with good credentials. Im involved in senior club mgt and it take a toll on your life nevermind county management."
Well I am delighted that you were interested enough to trawl thru all my posts on the Banty shambles. If you can read you will have realised I am sure, from the day of his appointment I had predicted exactly where he would lead us. His attempt at winning an Ulster title, by running ageing players into the ground, while our underage stars sat on the bench or in many cases walked away leaves us where we are now. I will re-iterate for you the fact that 3 years into his stewardship that only ONE player who didn't play under Malachy,started this year's Ulster semi v Derry ant that in itself is a damning indictment of this man's motives. So far from my writings being a hindrance towards a finding a manager with "credentials", maybe you should wake up and realise the state Banty has left our county team in is a much bigger issue when it comes to replacing him. It is also a bit rich for you to mention hiding behind a fake name, when you do exactly the same.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 265 - 08/08/2022 14:55:35    2436672

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Replying To seamusorinn:  "Well I am delighted that you were interested enough to trawl thru all my posts on the Banty shambles. If you can read you will have realised I am sure, from the day of his appointment I had predicted exactly where he would lead us. His attempt at winning an Ulster title, by running ageing players into the ground, while our underage stars sat on the bench or in many cases walked away leaves us where we are now. I will re-iterate for you the fact that 3 years into his stewardship that only ONE player who didn't play under Malachy,started this year's Ulster semi v Derry ant that in itself is a damning indictment of this man's motives. So far from my writings being a hindrance towards a finding a manager with "credentials", maybe you should wake up and realise the state Banty has left our county team in is a much bigger issue when it comes to replacing him. It is also a bit rich for you to mention hiding behind a fake name, when you do exactly the same."
ahh good auld Seamus loves Banty.

setting up faults threads in the main page.

The man, who demanded him to go because we didnt win Ulster / AI Final is now prepared to give the new management team loads of time. The same man who with praise his management team if we won a game but slated him if they loss.

You have been found out, by a number of posters. No wonder no one wants the job.

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 93 - 08/08/2022 18:46:53    2436710

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Replying To Lad79:  "Clones very strong too but time will tell with them seem to **** the load in finals for some reason but look good this year so far"
Clones have been ok,but could you trust them against a Drumhowan or an Eire Og on a damp September day in a Semi Final.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 265 - 08/08/2022 20:18:09    2436724

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According to today's IrishTimes the Mark Counihan setup is expected to be announced as the new management team later in the week.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 105 - 09/08/2022 14:23:46    2436823

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Replying To patmouse:  "ahh good auld Seamus loves Banty.

setting up faults threads in the main page.

The man, who demanded him to go because we didnt win Ulster / AI Final is now prepared to give the new management team loads of time. The same man who with praise his management team if we won a game but slated him if they loss.

You have been found out, by a number of posters. No wonder no one wants the job."
Ah mousey are you naive enough to believe that it is my posts rather than the shape the team is in, that in your words nobody wants the job. Let's face it your buddy Banty has left it in that shape with 3 years and NO development of young players. If you did your research you would find that I not only criticised Banty during his failed tenure but stated 3 years ago that he should never have got the job. What likely sticks in your throat, is that I was 100% right. 3 years down the line and we start against Derry with ONE player who didn't play under Malachy O'Rourke. Now even in your little world that cannot be considered progress. And just to set you straight I know of one very fine manager that wants the job. Whether he gets it or not is up to the powers that be.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 265 - 09/08/2022 15:44:09    2436833

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