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Replying To southleitrim_mafia: "I posted before about the state of the underage setup. People will look at the recent u20 team losing to Mayo by a point. But that was possibly Mayo weakest ever u20 team and they took there best players off and let the foot off the gas. We actually need to make stand to the county board to get the underage academy run properly. There needs to be someone put in place to run the whole academy. Not someone who gets the job cause of what courses they've done or who they know an actual gaa person with experience. From my experience there's a massive disconnect between clubs and underage panel set ups. Leaving 13,14,15 year olds to go back to there clubs to tell them they cant play said game or train or whatever is unfair.... it shouldnt have to come from them it should be from the academy coach or director etc. Most young people don't want to be involved in these panels these days and there needs to be a serious amount of work and resources put into the academy to find out why and how to improve for the future." Very few are disagreeing with you about underage... the stats very clearly show the state of affairs. The last decent team we had at underage, that actually won something, was nearly 10 years ago (minor 2013 if I recall correctly). Terry Hyland was constantly banging the drum about underage structures during his time... I also recall him saying that we should pick a handful of players to concentrate on at underage and put all our resources into that. I haven't heard our current management team making any noise about that. Like anything, there's very few people on the ground who have the time to put into coaching underage county setups.... never mind underage at club level... and the ones who have, are clearly not up to the mark. I don't know what the answer is... however I will say we have a games manager who has been in place for quite some time. Might be time to start there first.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 07/05/2022 09:40:17
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Replying To Leitrim_12: "It was more alot of luck when we got promoted in 2019. Anyone who was at most game that year would say that. One game spring to mind was down in Limerick. No progress was made under Terry Hyland and that was proven when we got hammered in Dr Hyde Park in championship. If we got within 10points then yea progress was made but we didn't. Yea division 3 campaign alot of games left behind us but again not a massive step up in quality between division 3 and 4.. One thing Andy has brought in this year is strength and conditioning, you can see it within some of the players and only another year will help.." You don't win games by luck alone... Terry brought his experience with Cavan to the table and it's exactly what we needed at the time. He certainly doesn't take slackers and it showed in 2019... we won games that perhaps in the past we'd have lost... point being the Limerick game you referenced. However no one was expecting miracles... progression at that point was always going to be promotion from Div 4. I would argue that Terry hadnt really had a chance to take that further with Covid. At the end of the day we can talk all day long about Leitrim and where we should be but small counties like ourselves can I'll afford to be spending large sums of money on management teams without progress. We'll see what happens in 2023.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 07/05/2022 11:59:05
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Replying To Leitrim_12: "It was more alot of luck when we got promoted in 2019. Anyone who was at most game that year would say that. One game spring to mind was down in Limerick. No progress was made under Terry Hyland and that was proven when we got hammered in Dr Hyde Park in championship. If we got within 10points then yea progress was made but we didn't. Yea division 3 campaign alot of games left behind us but again not a massive step up in quality between division 3 and 4.. One thing Andy has brought in this year is strength and conditioning, you can see it within some of the players and only another year will help.." Lucky? Finished 6 points ahead of 3rd in 2019 and were promoted with a few games to spare. This year promotion hopes was in tatters once beaten by London.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2953 - 07/05/2022 13:07:30
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Lucky? Finished 6 points ahead of 3rd in 2019 and were promoted with a few games to spare. This year promotion hopes was in tatters once beaten by London." Yes Luck that wasn't with us this year.. Limerick game we beat them by 1point after their keeper letting 2 balls bounce Infront of him over the bar.. Antrim game in Carrick we also won by a point after Antrim kicking something like 10wides. If we lost both of them we would have been in a dog fight for promotion in 2019. Fast forward to this year league campaign against london we had a chance at the end to win it. If we did beat london, I do think we would have got promoted.
I'm not dissing our promotion in 2019. I'm more pointing out Leitrim made no progress under Terry hyland and that was proven against both Roscommon 2019 and mayo last year in the championship.. Something Leitrim have improved this year is S&C, the only issue now is our defence.
Leitrim_12 (Leitrim) - Posts: 16 - 07/05/2022 14:58:53
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Replying To Leitrim_12: "Yes Luck that wasn't with us this year.. Limerick game we beat them by 1point after their keeper letting 2 balls bounce Infront of him over the bar.. Antrim game in Carrick we also won by a point after Antrim kicking something like 10wides. If we lost both of them we would have been in a dog fight for promotion in 2019. Fast forward to this year league campaign against london we had a chance at the end to win it. If we did beat london, I do think we would have got promoted.
I'm not dissing our promotion in 2019. I'm more pointing out Leitrim made no progress under Terry hyland and that was proven against both Roscommon 2019 and mayo last year in the championship.. Something Leitrim have improved this year is S&C, the only issue now is our defence." But you are dissing it. 2nd in Div 4 and competitive in the Croke Park final v Derry was progress. Since then Leitrim have regressed.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2953 - 07/05/2022 16:50:04
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Replying To Leitrim_12: "Yes Luck that wasn't with us this year.. Limerick game we beat them by 1point after their keeper letting 2 balls bounce Infront of him over the bar.. Antrim game in Carrick we also won by a point after Antrim kicking something like 10wides. If we lost both of them we would have been in a dog fight for promotion in 2019. Fast forward to this year league campaign against london we had a chance at the end to win it. If we did beat london, I do think we would have got promoted.
I'm not dissing our promotion in 2019. I'm more pointing out Leitrim made no progress under Terry hyland and that was proven against both Roscommon 2019 and mayo last year in the championship.. Something Leitrim have improved this year is S&C, the only issue now is our defence." Mayo, Galway & Roscommon were playing Div 1 football in 2019... what progress could we have possibly made in 2019 bar promotion from Division 4? You were hardly expecting that we'd beat any of those teams back then? Christ on a bike....
We spent the best part of 10 years in Division 4 before that so promotion in 2019 was definitely progress. We still wouldn't beat any of those teams today but divisional promotion is the only progression we can look forward to for the foreseeable future. We're not going to win Connacht that's for sure.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 07/05/2022 17:40:44
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Replying To Square_B: "Mayo, Galway & Roscommon were playing Div 1 football in 2019... what progress could we have possibly made in 2019 bar promotion from Division 4? You were hardly expecting that we'd beat any of those teams back then? Christ on a bike....
We spent the best part of 10 years in Division 4 before that so promotion in 2019 was definitely progress. We still wouldn't beat any of those teams today but divisional promotion is the only progression we can look forward to for the foreseeable future. We're not going to win Connacht that's for sure." Haha never once said anything about beating Roscommon/Mayo or Galway.. I said keeping the score within 10 and staying competitive would show progression. Not getting hammered by a team who never left first gear. Anyways we can agree to disagree. I would rather see Andy given a few year then calling for him to be sacked after 6months. Billy Lee in Limerick is good example if given time..
Leitrim_12 (Leitrim) - Posts: 16 - 07/05/2022 18:19:05
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Replying To Leitrim_12: "Haha never once said anything about beating Roscommon/Mayo or Galway.. I said keeping the score within 10 and staying competitive would show progression. Not getting hammered by a team who never left first gear. Anyways we can agree to disagree. I would rather see Andy given a few year then calling for him to be sacked after 6months. Billy Lee in Limerick is good example if given time.." But you're saying it was 'luck' that got us promoted... and that apparently wasn't progression in your eyes. So I'm not sure what you're on about if you don't think promotion isn't progression. I'm not sure how much further we could have progressed that year starting from Division 4. Anf anyhow teams who work hard can get luck... hardly a big deal.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 07/05/2022 20:02:48
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Replying To Square_B: "But you're saying it was 'luck' that got us promoted... and that apparently wasn't progression in your eyes. So I'm not sure what you're on about if you don't think promotion isn't progression. I'm not sure how much further we could have progressed that year starting from Division 4. Anf anyhow teams who work hard can get luck... hardly a big deal." 2019 we got promoted from Division 4, then hammered in championship. 2020 we got relegated from Division 3 and hammered in championship.. So would you say Leitrim made progress or the competition in division 4 in 2019 wasn't as high as other years. Have a look at Limerick. That what you call progress. Getting promoted and managing to stage up and push on..
Leitrim_12 (Leitrim) - Posts: 16 - 07/05/2022 20:24:34
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Replying To Leitrim_12: "2019 we got promoted from Division 4, then hammered in championship. 2020 we got relegated from Division 3 and hammered in championship.. So would you say Leitrim made progress or the competition in division 4 in 2019 wasn't as high as other years. Have a look at Limerick. That what you call progress. Getting promoted and managing to stage up and push on.." Hammered by Roscommon who were a Division 1 team in 2019. Kept Mayo to 11 points in 2020... progression under Moran apparently is keeping Galway to 10 points. We have gone backwards since promotion (obviously) which was not entirely our fault... maybe we were too nice on that front when you hear of teams training away in secret and so forth. The fact of the matter is Leitrim did progess under Hyland... the last two years were unprecedented and I certainly didn't judge Hyland that exclusively. However, the fact of the matter is that Moran was expected to secure promotion and didnt. Anyhow... there will be no excuses in 2023.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 07/05/2022 21:03:26
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In a positive outlook on the future :
Our under 17's drew with Roscommon on Friday and in all honesty should have beaten them (that is not a criticism) I was at it - and the Ross goal lead a charmed life to say the least. Any other day we would have scored 4 if not 5 goals was it not for some freak events and good goalkeeping from Ross. For me we were far the better team and deserved at least a draw in reality deserved a win. It would be so Ross like to snatch it at the end and not deserving it against us - but credit to Leitrim for getting the draw. This result is massive.
I can't remember a time we didn't last lose to Roscommon at competitive underage level, let alone be the better team on the day.
Our under 15's after beating Clare last time out lost to an extremely good Sligo team by just a goal in the Fr. manning cup also in an evenly matched game. (Sligo underage is motoring along nicely)
From these results the future is looking brighter than before for sure.
Leitrim u17 and U15 holding their own in their age levels. We'll done to all concerned
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 535 - 07/05/2022 21:18:04
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Replying To Square_B: "Hammered by Roscommon who were a Division 1 team in 2019. Kept Mayo to 11 points in 2020... progression under Moran apparently is keeping Galway to 10 points. We have gone backwards since promotion (obviously) which was not entirely our fault... maybe we were too nice on that front when you hear of teams training away in secret and so forth. The fact of the matter is Leitrim did progess under Hyland... the last two years were unprecedented and I certainly didn't judge Hyland that exclusively. However, the fact of the matter is that Moran was expected to secure promotion and didnt. Anyhow... there will be no excuses in 2023." Ok let's just say it this way.. 2019 we got promoted from Division 4, then hammered in championship. 2020 we got relegated from Division 3 and beat by 11 in championship by Mayo. 2021 finished bottom of division 4 and got hammered by Mayo in Castlebar.. Yes Leitrim can't control/compete with Division 1 teams, but that showing in castlebar last year shows Terry hyland done nothing for Leitrim football.. the referee was fitter then most of the Leitrim players.. Even mayo themselves said the training session after the game was harder then the game itself..
Coming into 2022 season, Leitrim football was at its lowest point possible. In Division 4 coming off a hammering in Championship. You could hardly expect promotion was on the cards..
I would rather not see Leitrim getting promoted in 2023 either, if 2020 is to be repeated.. Young squad with huge potential but this is a 4/5 year gig not 6-18months.. S&C needs alot of work, which Andy is doing and it's showing..
As for today against Galway, this Leitrim team has nothing to loose and it'll be a learning curve. I would love to see them keep it within 10 or atleast make Galway work for their scores. Just really depends what Galway team turn up, but I won't be calling for a man's head after 6 months in the job.
Leitrim_12 (Leitrim) - Posts: 16 - 08/05/2022 07:00:45
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Best of luck to head coach Moran and tbe troops today
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1026 - 08/05/2022 08:12:50
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Replying To Square_B: "Hammered by Roscommon who were a Division 1 team in 2019. Kept Mayo to 11 points in 2020... progression under Moran apparently is keeping Galway to 10 points. We have gone backwards since promotion (obviously) which was not entirely our fault... maybe we were too nice on that front when you hear of teams training away in secret and so forth. The fact of the matter is Leitrim did progess under Hyland... the last two years were unprecedented and I certainly didn't judge Hyland that exclusively. However, the fact of the matter is that Moran was expected to secure promotion and didnt. Anyhow... there will be no excuses in 2023." Leitrim will do very well to get promoted next year no matter who is the manager. Due to the squad of players available. Sligo Wicklow andLaois look to be better equipped at the minute. That is the reality. Players particularly at the back need to be developed. We are also struggling with consistency at mid field. Give Moran a few years see what he can do. Because there is no magic wand or manager guaranteed of meeting your expectations in a year.
Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 08/05/2022 08:22:16
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Replying To Square_B: "Hammered by Roscommon who were a Division 1 team in 2019. Kept Mayo to 11 points in 2020... progression under Moran apparently is keeping Galway to 10 points. We have gone backwards since promotion (obviously) which was not entirely our fault... maybe we were too nice on that front when you hear of teams training away in secret and so forth. The fact of the matter is Leitrim did progess under Hyland... the last two years were unprecedented and I certainly didn't judge Hyland that exclusively. However, the fact of the matter is that Moran was expected to secure promotion and didnt. Anyhow... there will be no excuses in 2023." Leitrim will do very well to get promoted next year no matter who is the manager. Due to the squad of players available. Sligo Wicklow andLaois look to be better equipped at the minute. That is the reality. Players particularly at the back need to be developed. We are also struggling with consistency at mid field. Give Moran a few years see what he can do. Because there is no magic wand or manager guaranteed of meeting your expectations in a year.
Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 08/05/2022 08:57:00
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Heading off to Salthill soon , all I'm hoping for today is a big performance and whatever happens then happens. Best of luck to the Leitrim team and management.
JimmyNail (Leitrim) - Posts: 115 - 08/05/2022 09:45:01
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Replying To Leitrim_12: "Ok let's just say it this way.. 2019 we got promoted from Division 4, then hammered in championship. 2020 we got relegated from Division 3 and beat by 11 in championship by Mayo. 2021 finished bottom of division 4 and got hammered by Mayo in Castlebar.. Yes Leitrim can't control/compete with Division 1 teams, but that showing in castlebar last year shows Terry hyland done nothing for Leitrim football.. the referee was fitter then most of the Leitrim players.. Even mayo themselves said the training session after the game was harder then the game itself..
Coming into 2022 season, Leitrim football was at its lowest point possible. In Division 4 coming off a hammering in Championship. You could hardly expect promotion was on the cards..
I would rather not see Leitrim getting promoted in 2023 either, if 2020 is to be repeated.. Young squad with huge potential but this is a 4/5 year gig not 6-18months.. S&C needs alot of work, which Andy is doing and it's showing..
As for today against Galway, this Leitrim team has nothing to loose and it'll be a learning curve. I would love to see them keep it within 10 or atleast make Galway work for their scores. Just really depends what Galway team turn up, but I won't be calling for a man's head after 6 months in the job." What do you expect a manager to be able to do when he couldn't train lads collectively as happened in 2020? 2021 was as bad as 2020.... I mean it's hard enoug to motivate lads but the season practically never ended from 2020 to 2021. The whole momentum of 2019 was gone by then. Fact is Hyland came in year 1 and got promoted. Moran hasn't achieved that with this team... yet. So we'll see what happens in 2023 but we're not handing out good money & breaking our arses raising money for no results. We have a team decent enough to get promoted.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 08/05/2022 16:06:29
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Should have kept Hyland on instead of bringing in a former Mayo player with little management experience.
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To be losing by just a point at the 20 min mark to that end score is just incredible, to what I'd say is not a particularly good Galway team. We've lost by less to much better ones in the past.
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 08/05/2022 17:31:23
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Should have kept Hyland on instead of bringing in a former Mayo player with little management experience." Hyland couldn't wait to get away!! What are you on about?
3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 186 - 08/05/2022 17:32:03
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