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Leitrim have made zero progress under Andy Moran. Be better off bringing in someone local than carrying on with him again next year.

Strength, Fitness and conditioning way off from where it needs to be for Leitrim. Leaving themselves so wide open 2nd half against such a free scoring Galway was real rookie management.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 739 - 08/05/2022 17:55:25    2415635

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Replying To Yondu:  "Leitrim have made zero progress under Andy Moran. Be better off bringing in someone local than carrying on with him again next year.

Strength, Fitness and conditioning way off from where it needs to be for Leitrim. Leaving themselves so wide open 2nd half against such a free scoring Galway was real rookie management."
You do realise S&C isn't something that can be drastically improved over one season? People on here need to be realistic. We are way off division one and two teams and have been for over 20 years. Personally I'd be more frustrated with the championship structure than I would with Andy Moran.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 186 - 08/05/2022 18:26:18    2415651

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Replying To 3rdmidfielder:  "You do realise S&C isn't something that can be drastically improved over one season? People on here need to be realistic. We are way off division one and two teams and have been for over 20 years. Personally I'd be more frustrated with the championship structure than I would with Andy Moran."
In 04 we drew with Roscommon in semi, in 05 we beat Sligo and lost by 3 to Galway, in 06 we lost to Mayo by a point, in 07 we lost by 4 to Galway, in 08 we lost by 4 to Galway, lost by 4 to Roscommon in 09, lost by 5 to Roscommon in 2010, then the hidings set in in 2011.
Was it lads emigrating during the crash perhaps set it off? I don't know. But we've never recovered. I don't know were the players of a higher or equal standard than what we have now. Or fitter.

Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 08/05/2022 19:22:28    2415675

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Replying To Yondu:  "Leitrim have made zero progress under Andy Moran. Be better off bringing in someone local than carrying on with him again next year.

Strength, Fitness and conditioning way off from where it needs to be for Leitrim. Leaving themselves so wide open 2nd half against such a free scoring Galway was real rookie management."
Who local? We had a a super locals management team with Breen and Dugdale and the were driven out too. A touch of realism about the quality of player we have would go astray.

Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 08/05/2022 19:25:06    2415679

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Replying To Yondu:  "Leitrim have made zero progress under Andy Moran. Be better off bringing in someone local than carrying on with him again next year.

Strength, Fitness and conditioning way off from where it needs to be for Leitrim. Leaving themselves so wide open 2nd half against such a free scoring Galway was real rookie management."
Not Andy Moran's fault. He cannot make new signings like a new soccer manager does and bring in new players.
Andy can only work with what he has and that is a very limited bunch of players, who just aren't good enough. London/Waterford is about our level and that is the reality. However we can now give the Tailten cup a go and see where it takes us.

Buzzcagney62 (Leitrim) - Posts: 210 - 08/05/2022 19:27:54    2415683

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I rarely venture into other county threads but would like to share something that I think is worthwhile. When Andy was considering taking on Leitrim he spoke to managers who have in the past and in some cases still do, work with so called weaker counties. I am referring to counties who are 9 years out of 10 in division 4 and are unable to gain promotion or, if they do, retain it for more than one year. JM and JOM and Micko are well known for their achievements with lower ranked teams. JM was supportive of Andy and encouraged him. However, he also made clear that expectations of commitment needed to be realistic. "If you think these lads are going to make the level of sacrifice and commitment that you made with Mayo you can forget it, was the gist of it. Why would they not, and even more inquired AM. Because they believe, and it is ingrained in their belief, that even if Jim Gavin and his backroom took them over, the very best they can hope for is 1 year in Division 3, and in terms of the championship, beating London or Sligo. The Leitrim supporters I would suggest are, second only to ourselves, when it comes to enthusiasm for the team, and although a small county in terms of population, a big diaspora ensures there is no want of resources for the county team. There is now quick fix to this. Leitrim will have to achieve success from underage right the way up to bring belief to the players. Hyland says more or less the same today here https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0508/1296747-hyland-leitrim-lads-know-theres-not-an-opportunity

martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 460 - 08/05/2022 19:29:17    2415686

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Replying To 3rdmidfielder:  "You do realise S&C isn't something that can be drastically improved over one season? People on here need to be realistic. We are way off division one and two teams and have been for over 20 years. Personally I'd be more frustrated with the championship structure than I would with Andy Moran."
You're right. It's very had for a team in a lower division to collectively match the strength anf athleticism of a team playing in higher division. Leitrim did well for first half, but then the difference in conditioning showed. We are under no illusions either - we're nowhere near Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin or Mayo in that regard. You need to give Andy a fair chance - he's not been in the job a wet day. We're very fearful of Ros. Cunningham has this fight instilled into them - so, it'll be all down to what team takes the limited opportunities on offer. I was at semi v Dublin in '95, and must say your team and followers were a joy to support. Best of luck to Leitrim.

AnCrúiscínLán (Galway) - Posts: 66 - 08/05/2022 19:45:19    2415700

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Replying To Backheel:  "Who local? We had a a super locals management team with Breen and Dugdale and the were driven out too. A touch of realism about the quality of player we have would go astray."
Exactly! Someone local? The top club teams don't even have local managers.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 186 - 08/05/2022 20:11:38    2415714

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "In 04 we drew with Roscommon in semi, in 05 we beat Sligo and lost by 3 to Galway, in 06 we lost to Mayo by a point, in 07 we lost by 4 to Galway, in 08 we lost by 4 to Galway, lost by 4 to Roscommon in 09, lost by 5 to Roscommon in 2010, then the hidings set in in 2011.
Was it lads emigrating during the crash perhaps set it off? I don't know. But we've never recovered. I don't know were the players of a higher or equal standard than what we have now. Or fitter."
I think our big problem in the last ten years has been the lack of structure at underage, and the advances other counties have made, we have been left behind.

The way football has gone and is going you nearly have to identify the athlete first and turn them into a footballer. And that has to be done early.

It's not always possible to get a nice footballer up to the levels of athleticism required to play modern day county football.

Give Andy a chance.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 186 - 08/05/2022 20:19:53    2415719

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Replying To Backheel:  "Who local? We had a a super locals management team with Breen and Dugdale and the were driven out too. A touch of realism about the quality of player we have would go astray."
I would hope Leitrim aren't paying big money for the Andy Moran PR trip over there.

Spending valuable resources for a big name manger is a waste of time.
Better off investing in a full time skills coach to spend a day a week in every club or school in the county.

Leitrim are competitive once in a generation and have historically won a provincial once per average human lifespan.
Andy Moran won't change that.

However, if the county board looked at the census results in the county and identified where and when the next large batch of kids are. They could target rehire resources there to produce a "golden generation" and target a minor/U20/senior provincial title with them.

Pouring away money trying to beat Galway and Mayo with a big name manger is folly.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 988 - 08/05/2022 20:29:12    2415727

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Be a fairly tough ask rising players moods for the teacup now.

Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 08/05/2022 20:52:51    2415739

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "I would hope Leitrim aren't paying big money for the Andy Moran PR trip over there.

Spending valuable resources for a big name manger is a waste of time.
Better off investing in a full time skills coach to spend a day a week in every club or school in the county.

Leitrim are competitive once in a generation and have historically won a provincial once per average human lifespan.
Andy Moran won't change that.

However, if the county board looked at the census results in the county and identified where and when the next large batch of kids are. They could target rehire resources there to produce a "golden generation" and target a minor/U20/senior provincial title with them.

Pouring away money trying to beat Galway and Mayo with a big name manger is folly."
I'd completely agree. Wrong man for Leitrim. The man I wanted obviously couldn't be persuaded to take on another county job so soon (Padraig Davis). A more modest appointment who has a clear track record and lots of respect in Leitrim having won county titles with Mohill. Moran has done absolutely nothing in management to warrent a county job. I mean he barely even managed a club team... and his own at that! I only hope for his own management career that 2023 is more fruitful. We can ill afford to be throwing away money on 'name' management teams. As you say, we need to concentrate resources & time at club & underage level and work from there as it's pointless otherwise. Aside of that I still believe we have a current team that is capable of operating in Division 3 at least but look we'll probably waste that opportunity as well.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 08/05/2022 22:01:10    2415760

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Replying To Square_B:  "I'd completely agree. Wrong man for Leitrim. The man I wanted obviously couldn't be persuaded to take on another county job so soon (Padraig Davis). A more modest appointment who has a clear track record and lots of respect in Leitrim having won county titles with Mohill. Moran has done absolutely nothing in management to warrent a county job. I mean he barely even managed a club team... and his own at that! I only hope for his own management career that 2023 is more fruitful. We can ill afford to be throwing away money on 'name' management teams. As you say, we need to concentrate resources & time at club & underage level and work from there as it's pointless otherwise. Aside of that I still believe we have a current team that is capable of operating in Division 3 at least but look we'll probably waste that opportunity as well."
I would have said Davis also. And he eventually will I'd say if he wants it, but it is becoming a less than appealing job I'd reckon.

Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 09/05/2022 09:08:37    2415782

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I was at the game yesterday and while strange to say it there was signs of improvement. The first 30 mins Leitrim did well. I don't think Galway caught a ball clean in the middle of the pitch. Yes Galway ran amok in the second half. It's not Andy morans fault he's in the job 6 months. The league next year is the big one and I believe if this squad sticks together they will be very competitive in the Tailtian Cup but more importantly I think they will get out of Div 4. The S&C is improving you start to see the lads getting stronger. Yes yesterdays 2nd half was a tough watch but this Leitrim team is on the right path. Don't be surprised if you see that Galway team in an All-Ireland final in a couple of months.

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 369 - 09/05/2022 09:43:44    2415798

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Jesus Lads will ye give Andy a chance. He is only in his first year. A leitrim forward in the last minute of the league game against London had a glorious chance to score a goal and win it for ye. If that goal went in you would be in Div 3. Ye were never going to beat Galway in Salthill. Our county got an All Ireland winner as a footballer and manager and we are going nowhere, simply because at the moment our talent is very poor. For all the dominance by Tourlestrane the last few years very few of them are playing with Sligo. Div 4 will be a much more level pitch than it was last year. The 2 teams that came down from Div 3 are a bit behind the 2 teams that got promoted from Div 4.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1149 - 09/05/2022 11:20:49    2415854

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Replying To Square_B:  "I'd completely agree. Wrong man for Leitrim. The man I wanted obviously couldn't be persuaded to take on another county job so soon (Padraig Davis). A more modest appointment who has a clear track record and lots of respect in Leitrim having won county titles with Mohill. Moran has done absolutely nothing in management to warrent a county job. I mean he barely even managed a club team... and his own at that! I only hope for his own management career that 2023 is more fruitful. We can ill afford to be throwing away money on 'name' management teams. As you say, we need to concentrate resources & time at club & underage level and work from there as it's pointless otherwise. Aside of that I still believe we have a current team that is capable of operating in Division 3 at least but look we'll probably waste that opportunity as well."
Davis is a great guy, but I don't think he has a clear track record at county level. He managed Longford for 25 competitive games from his appointment in September 2018 to him quitting in July 2021, won 9, drew 4 and lost 12. Never got past a first game in Leinster and during his three league campaigns we ended 5th, 4th and 4th in Division 3 having been 3rd in the division the season before he was appointed. His last game in charge was the 22-point annihilation by Meath in Leinster. He has a great club record, but that doesn't always translates to county. Not all of those failings were his by the way, but some were and there are mixed views in Longford on his time in the job. Some loved it, others did not. Doesn't take away from his club credentials or the fact that he is a great guy.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 259 - 09/05/2022 12:22:47    2415892

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Davis is a great guy, but I don't think he has a clear track record at county level. He managed Longford for 25 competitive games from his appointment in September 2018 to him quitting in July 2021, won 9, drew 4 and lost 12. Never got past a first game in Leinster and during his three league campaigns we ended 5th, 4th and 4th in Division 3 having been 3rd in the division the season before he was appointed. His last game in charge was the 22-point annihilation by Meath in Leinster. He has a great club record, but that doesn't always translates to county. Not all of those failings were his by the way, but some were and there are mixed views in Longford on his time in the job. Some loved it, others did not. Doesn't take away from his club credentials or the fact that he is a great guy."
Connerton i always taught done much better with Longford than Davis

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1026 - 09/05/2022 12:43:20    2415906

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Davis is a great guy, but I don't think he has a clear track record at county level. He managed Longford for 25 competitive games from his appointment in September 2018 to him quitting in July 2021, won 9, drew 4 and lost 12. Never got past a first game in Leinster and during his three league campaigns we ended 5th, 4th and 4th in Division 3 having been 3rd in the division the season before he was appointed. His last game in charge was the 22-point annihilation by Meath in Leinster. He has a great club record, but that doesn't always translates to county. Not all of those failings were his by the way, but some were and there are mixed views in Longford on his time in the job. Some loved it, others did not. Doesn't take away from his club credentials or the fact that he is a great guy."
Clear track record in management / managing teams in general. Moran has none. This is the point I'm making. But look this is where we're at now and we have to look to 2023. The next poster stated Connerton done a better job with Longford and in fairness that's fair enough but I felt that Davis had the advantage through his recent association with Mohill.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 09/05/2022 14:15:17    2415954

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Connerton i always taught done much better with Longford than Davis"
Just look at the teams longford came up against in his 3 years in division 3 and tell me he didn't do well to keep a dying squad up every year.
Andy Moran got his chance and failed to get them promoted and I don't think it will change next year either

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 226 - 09/05/2022 14:31:35    2415965

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Anyone know why Darren Maxwell wasnt in the panel and a forward was at no 16 yesterday?
Not that it matters, Benny flynn played well but was like trying to stop the tide coming in, I'm sorry but div 4 teams are wasting their time and money entering provincial champos now, bar 2020 (a strange year on every level). But turkeys don't vote for Christmas so this is how it's gonna be

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 325 - 09/05/2022 14:32:09    2415967

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