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Replying To tirawleybaron: "I would hope Leitrim aren't paying big money for the Andy Moran PR trip over there.
Spending valuable resources for a big name manger is a waste of time.
Better off investing in a full time skills coach to spend a day a week in every club or school in the county.
Leitrim are competitive once in a generation and have historically won a provincial once per average human lifespan.
Andy Moran won't change that.
However, if the county board looked at the census results in the county and identified where and when the next large batch of kids are. They could target rehire resources there to produce a "golden generation" and target a minor/U20/senior provincial title with them.
Pouring away money trying to beat Galway and Mayo with a big name manger is folly." Mike Solan who comes with the Andy Moran package wouldn't come cheap either. Leitrim certainly need to spend their money more wisely.
Finishing 4th in Div 4 and 23 point hammering a record defeat to Galway won't help the chances of those that hope Andy Moran is still manager again in 2023. Unlike Hyland last year Moran had a full pre season to prepare and 7 league games compared to just 3 last year. Moran chose to set Leitrim up in than manner yesterday and it allowed Galway at their ease to shoot 4-20.
Nobody was expecting Leitrim to win yesterday however they could have been more competitive with a more defensive system in place as was the case with a 11 point lost to Mayo two years ago.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3338 - 09/05/2022 15:00:49
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Replying To kentuckytucky: "Be a fairly tough ask rising players moods for the teacup now." Calling it the teacup isn't going to help the thing anyway. I think it's a great chance for teams to win something at their own level with the winners to play in the last 16 of the next All Ireland series. Not the worst idea and better than the way it was.
Spillane's idea of playing the hurling and football in alternating half year formats isn't a bad idea either, it's showcasing the GAA games all year then, they def need to market the Tailteann Cup better and maybe rename it.
The name seems too synonymous with Meath for me.
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Replying To kentuckytucky: "Be a fairly tough ask rising players moods for the teacup now." So it'd be easier for them if they went into the qualifiers?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 09/05/2022 15:35:51
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Replying To williesboy: "Just look at the teams longford came up against in his 3 years in division 3 and tell me he didn't do well to keep a dying squad up every year.
Andy Moran got his chance and failed to get them promoted and I don't think it will change next year either" ... across those three league seasons?
Beat Louth (2), Leitrim, Tipp, Carlow and Sligo.
Drew with Fermanagh and Offaly (2)
Lost to Derry (2), Cavan, Down (2), Cork, Laois and Westmeath
Nothing particularly special achieved across those three league seasons compared to the three seasons before it, and with a team which included Leinster Club Championship winners and a few quality players. Andy Moran is in his first year. Not good so far I grant you, but Galway was always going to be impossible, so it is still too early for any final judgement.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 470 - 09/05/2022 15:40:57
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1. Darren Maxwell sustained injury against London and had not recovered in time to be considered.
2. First 20 mins yesterday Leitrim were excellent all over the field.
3.if management are to be faulted (which overall I think they are bringing a team into the modern game, some taking to it faster than others) I would say was lack of patience with their own plan. The switch of Ciaran Cullen on Molloy was working very well overall then hauled him off and certainly Molloy became a huge menace to Leitrim. Donal Casey's obvious bad injury and being left on surely didn't help. Keith Beirne coming on brought nothing to it. If he doesn't buy into the collective, let him out to pasture. Lots of good lads trained all winter to not even get a seat on the bus yesterday.
Those calling for Andy Moran's head will always be expecting instant results. This is not hair dye. No quick fix. We need to be patient and give this team time to grow. Tailteann Cup is a great competition for teams to throw off the shackles and get a trip to Croke Park at the end. If that doesn't give lads an incentive then they shouldn't be playing sport.
bananapublican (Leitrim) - Posts: 878 - 09/05/2022 15:42:51
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Calling it the teacup isn't going to help the thing anyway. I think it's a great chance for teams to win something at their own level with the winners to play in the last 16 of the next All Ireland series. Not the worst idea and better than the way it was.
Spillane's idea of playing the hurling and football in alternating half year formats isn't a bad idea either, it's showcasing the GAA games all year then, they def need to market the Tailteann Cup better and maybe rename it.
The name seems too synonymous with Meath for me." Winning a trophy in Croke Park isn't often done by the sides taking part in this competition but from what i seen of Leitrim under Moran yesterday with how poorly they were prepared and organised I'll be surprised if they are in the mix to win it.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 09/05/2022 15:51:36
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Calling it the teacup isn't going to help the thing anyway. I think it's a great chance for teams to win something at their own level with the winners to play in the last 16 of the next All Ireland series. Not the worst idea and better than the way it was.
Spillane's idea of playing the hurling and football in alternating half year formats isn't a bad idea either, it's showcasing the GAA games all year then, they def need to market the Tailteann Cup better and maybe rename it.
The name seems too synonymous with Meath for me." It is as good a competition for Donegal to win because not a hope they'll win an All Ireland, so why isn't there a clamour from Donegal to partake in the teacup?
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 09/05/2022 17:37:03
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Replying To oneoff: "So it'd be easier for them if they went into the qualifiers?" Well it could be, they could face another div 4 team and beat them. We got to the Tommy Murphy final and the All Ireland B final in the past, and they are rarely remembered now, whereas a qualifier game against Donegal that went to extra time and should have beaten them is still remembered
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 09/05/2022 17:38:40
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Some posters on here are living in cloud cuckoo lad. Yesterday's result was no shock and not in isolation.
2016 Roscommon 1-21
Leitrim 0-11
2017 Roscommon 2-23
Leitrim 1-9
2018 leitrim 0-10
Roscommon 0-24
2019 Roscommon 3-17
Leitrim 0-12
2020 Leitrim 0-10
Mayo 2-15
2021 Mayo 5-20
Leitrim 0-11
And we have people on here having a pop at Andy Moran and his management team. Realistically what can Andy Moran do in 8 or 9 months? The problems in Leitrim football run deep, the results at underage have been atrocious for over 20 years, our clubs have done nothing in the connacht club championship at any grade. We have posters on here slagging Roscommon about yo yoing between div 1 and 2 absolute clowns. We should be looking closely at what counties like Roscommon, Monaghan etc are doing and try to emulate what they are doing.
3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 294 - 09/05/2022 17:45:02
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Replying To Yondu: "Winning a trophy in Croke Park isn't often done by the sides taking part in this competition but from what i seen of Leitrim under Moran yesterday with how poorly they were prepared and organised I'll be surprised if they are in the mix to win it." Their initial game plan was actually good yesterday so what are you talking about preparing. This is a top 10 team in Ireland playing a bottom 8 team so show us one team who have languished in the bottom 10 as long as Leitrim and have pulled off close encounters never mind wins against the top 8. We are where we are. Blaming a manager for this is crazy and typical of what we have done repeatedly.
bananapublican (Leitrim) - Posts: 878 - 09/05/2022 17:50:01
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Replying To bananapublican: "1. Darren Maxwell sustained injury against London and had not recovered in time to be considered.
2. First 20 mins yesterday Leitrim were excellent all over the field.
3.if management are to be faulted (which overall I think they are bringing a team into the modern game, some taking to it faster than others) I would say was lack of patience with their own plan. The switch of Ciaran Cullen on Molloy was working very well overall then hauled him off and certainly Molloy became a huge menace to Leitrim. Donal Casey's obvious bad injury and being left on surely didn't help. Keith Beirne coming on brought nothing to it. If he doesn't buy into the collective, let him out to pasture. Lots of good lads trained all winter to not even get a seat on the bus yesterday.
Those calling for Andy Moran's head will always be expecting instant results. This is not hair dye. No quick fix. We need to be patient and give this team time to grow. Tailteann Cup is a great competition for teams to throw off the shackles and get a trip to Croke Park at the end. If that doesn't give lads an incentive then they shouldn't be playing sport." Fair play Banana, the old dog for the hard road. That comment is an oasis of common sense amidst a flurry of nonsensical hot takes.
Dodgy_Pass (Leitrim) - Posts: 374 - 09/05/2022 19:29:13
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Replying To bananapublican: "1. Darren Maxwell sustained injury against London and had not recovered in time to be considered.
2. First 20 mins yesterday Leitrim were excellent all over the field.
3.if management are to be faulted (which overall I think they are bringing a team into the modern game, some taking to it faster than others) I would say was lack of patience with their own plan. The switch of Ciaran Cullen on Molloy was working very well overall then hauled him off and certainly Molloy became a huge menace to Leitrim. Donal Casey's obvious bad injury and being left on surely didn't help. Keith Beirne coming on brought nothing to it. If he doesn't buy into the collective, let him out to pasture. Lots of good lads trained all winter to not even get a seat on the bus yesterday.
Those calling for Andy Moran's head will always be expecting instant results. This is not hair dye. No quick fix. We need to be patient and give this team time to grow. Tailteann Cup is a great competition for teams to throw off the shackles and get a trip to Croke Park at the end. If that doesn't give lads an incentive then they shouldn't be playing sport." Time to grow? Need to be patient? God of almighty.... a lot of these lads have been on the team for at least 5 years if not more. It's not much to expect promotion from Division 4, in actual fact if it's not the goal every year we're there, we may as well all go home and forget about it. Terry Hyland was able to achieve it in 2019 funny enough. The championship is another matter but I cannot see how we would ever be competitive in the championship unless we're operating from Division 2 at least. The Tailteann Cup could also form part of that competitive drive. We won't be getting there unless there's a complete culture change with the focus on developing our underage / clubs with structures & resources; however as far as I'm concerned this team is still good enough to be in Division 3 and that's as much as we should be aiming for at the moment until we can develop other players who can bring us further.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 09/05/2022 19:57:19
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Very tough day yesterday. The second half in particular was a hard watch, the gulf in class was enormous. A few observations I had.
1. As already discussed the difference in strength and conditioning between the teams was huge . The Galway lads looked stronger and faster than our lads and we obviously couldn't live with that , the good thing is at least that can be improved on.
2. Andy Moran seemed to set us up as positive as possible and more or less went man for man . Unfortunately as the first half wore on Galway found huge space inside and made hay and had the ability to kick long range points as well meaning despite a decent showing we were 7 down at halftime and the writing was on the wall. Maybe ( and I wouldn't be a fan of this normally) in the circumstances we should of packed our defence in the second half and kept the score down but it's easy saying that now.
3. The provincial system is broken beyond repair. We just can't compete with the big 3 in connacht anymore and haven't for more than a decade now and the gap is growing wider each year . Its not just in connacht but in other provinces with ulster maybe the exception. Scrap the provincial and have your Sam Maguire and Tailteann cups with the league filtering into that. We may even need a third tier but see how tailteann cup goes for 2 years maybe.
3. Felt very sorry for the players yesterday. They tried very hard but were outclassed everywhere and you could see the heads drop as soon as the first goal went in and I knew at that stage we were going to be hammered when a game gets away on you like that it can get very bad very quickly. But these lads have to keep at it and make the best out of the tailteann Cup as use it as a springboard for a promotion push next year. We need to get out of division 4 if we are going to progress at all. I'm sure some lads must be questioning if there is any point in committing to the county after days like yesterday but if we give up now we'll never improve.
4. Great support for Leitrim yesterday I'd guess more than half the crowd were from Leitrim and they really got behind the team . Days like yesterday are very tough but hopefully supporters will come out for the tailteann Cup and the players will respond positively.
5. As I feared after a brave start our defence got roasted and were wide open down the middle as happened regularly during the league. Difference yesterday was we were badly punished by much stronger and ruthless opposition. We are lacking natural defenders trying to put square pegs in round holes and it's not working. Unfortunately I don't think we've got any better defenders so we will have to come up with a defensive structure that make us more solid and not leaking so many scores.
I really hope we can regroup and hopefully get a home draw and give the tailteann Cup a good rattle. Giving up not an option.
JimmyNail (Leitrim) - Posts: 182 - 09/05/2022 20:09:27
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Replying To kentuckytucky: "Well it could be, they could face another div 4 team and beat them. We got to the Tommy Murphy final and the All Ireland B final in the past, and they are rarely remembered now, whereas a qualifier game against Donegal that went to extra time and should have beaten them is still remembered" How is it any different to drawing a Div 4 team in the Tailteann Cup?
If your idea of success is hoping to draw another Div 4 and almost winning games well I don't know what to say...
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 10/05/2022 10:15:48
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Before we start building up a head of steam in advance of the Tailteann Cup, just a pointer on it.
According to recent reports it's going to be "regionalised" into a North-South format which mitigates against us somewhat. In the Northern group (ourselves) there will be Antrim, Down, Cavan, Sligo, Longford, Westmeath, Offaly and Liatroim. This may not pan out exactly as I've outlined it but you can take it as there or thereabouts.
There's no easy games there and we'd need to win two to reach a semi-final in Croke Park.
There is a more progressive vision for the competition next year but that's 12 months away.
We need to see what happens, focus on the club championship and attack D4 with guns blazing next year.
Fantasising about the Connacht title is just that - at the moment. We need to re-think and re-double our efforts.
Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 688 - 10/05/2022 10:46:25
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Replying To 3rdmidfielder: "Some posters on here are living in cloud cuckoo lad. Yesterday's result was no shock and not in isolation.
2016 Roscommon 1-21
Leitrim 0-11
2017 Roscommon 2-23
Leitrim 1-9
2018 leitrim 0-10
Roscommon 0-24
2019 Roscommon 3-17
Leitrim 0-12
2020 Leitrim 0-10
Mayo 2-15
2021 Mayo 5-20
Leitrim 0-11
And we have people on here having a pop at Andy Moran and his management team. Realistically what can Andy Moran do in 8 or 9 months? The problems in Leitrim football run deep, the results at underage have been atrocious for over 20 years, our clubs have done nothing in the connacht club championship at any grade. We have posters on here slagging Roscommon about yo yoing between div 1 and 2 absolute clowns. We should be looking closely at what counties like Roscommon, Monaghan etc are doing and try to emulate what they are doing." Monaghan are the team to emulate, not Roscommon. Pointing out a team getting constantly relegated after promotion is a pretty valid point and not an 'absolute clown' point of view. Maybe you don't like it but there it is.
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 10/05/2022 11:01:50
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Lots of talk about Andy Moran, give him more time I say but an experienced manager like Highlands on Sunday would not have Leitrim playing man on man, we would have parked the bus from the get go and keep the score down and try and get our forwards into play as much as possible. I hate parking the bus tactics but when you are away from home against a division one side it is common sense.
Of course there is an elephant in the room here and that is our best player was on the sideline for the first half, for whatever reason. We could ill afford that also.
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 10/05/2022 11:09:16
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It was a bad day at the office but I think we should not read too much into it...remember the score from Kerry Tyrone in the league last year...6 16 to 1 13....a hammering....who won their next meeting and the Sam Maguire afterwards??
Leitrim can regroup and have a good Tailltean Cup...at least we are not facing the prospect of another big gun in the Qualifiers...Tyrone for instance!!
Good Luck to the lads and Andy Moran deserves a chance to put his stamp on the team...from looking at these messages there is a definite buzz around the team this year another year of S&C and a D4 promotion drive next year is something for us all to look forward to after a few days out in the Tailtean Cup
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Just last year Galway fans were calling for Padraig Joyce's head to roll. Galway were losing matches, people said he was lost, hadn't a clue. Look at them now. Give Andy time, certainly another year. Hopefully the panel stays together as this crippled us when we have to rebuild again
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 644 - 10/05/2022 11:53:27
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Replying To kentuckytucky: "Lots of talk about Andy Moran, give him more time I say but an experienced manager like Highlands on Sunday would not have Leitrim playing man on man, we would have parked the bus from the get go and keep the score down and try and get our forwards into play as much as possible. I hate parking the bus tactics but when you are away from home against a division one side it is common sense.
Of course there is an elephant in the room here and that is our best player was on the sideline for the first half, for whatever reason. We could ill afford that also." I agree with you to a point.. Hyland and all his experience wasn't able to park the bus in castlebar last year..
The difference this year was we were competive for the first 25 odd minutes.. I counted 1.4 we gifted Galway from our own mistakes in first 40min and them being a division 1 team they made us pay.
As already said numerous times on here S&C is a massive issue.. No quick fix and no manager will change that without given time.. Leitrim could bring in Jim Gavin and he wouldn't make impact in first 6month.
Leitrim_12 (Leitrim) - Posts: 63 - 10/05/2022 11:53:45
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