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Disappointed line up, though Donohoe was very poor, and has been for a while. I think he is lucky that we dont have anyone better in that position. Cant see how you could start mcguckin again, was very poor, Oisin Foley was very poor also, think Jack O'Connor and Dunbar has to come in, O'Connor cause you need a player like him to win the dirty ball or a catch, half forward line won nothing the last day.

Agree with poster to finish strong but we were lucky the last day and I am always of the opinion start your strongest team and then see what happens throughout the match.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 508 - 22/04/2022 13:18:29    2412263

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Dublin's back unit are average with an outstanding full back in O'Donnell. Laois should have beaten them last weekend.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1917 - 22/04/2022 13:32:05    2412266

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Replying To Viking66:  "Sheedy won 2 all Irelands with a team that should really have won more. He was a good motivator but tactically poor and brought hardly any new players up to senior intercounty standard despite him having 30 odd under 20 all Ireland medal winners some of whom have 2 during his second stint.
No Wexford manager has had any recent u20/21 all Ireland medal winners to work with since the late 60s."
Ok lets look at that, the first one, they beat the greatest Hurling team of all time and stopped a 5 in a row and probably should have done it the year earlier but for a dubious penally. They beat Wexford in the Semi by the use of those very same players you said he never did, their introduction from the subs bench helped turn the tide in the game. They showed against Limerick last year how the could be beaten and some would say that tactically Tipp got everything right but at the end of the day Limerick just have the players. Clare won 3 in a row and only 1 All Ireland, Cork now 2 and none Tipp won two and have one. Fact is the Limerick winning teams seem far superior to what came after - they were separated by a fantastic Waterford team. By the way the 2015 only started reaching its peak in the last couple of years so your comparisons are flawed in the same way I would now have expected Corks last two years of success to immediately translate into All Ireland Senior success.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2036 - 22/04/2022 14:18:41    2412280

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Replying To Punter72007:  "I understand you want higher standards, which is commendable.
However, historically, we were DIRE in terms of coaching/development of players before the 2000's.
Other counties like KK put this coaching/development in place 70 years ago and continued to improve it year on year through the generations.
Wexford have only had good coaching structures in places for the last 20 years.
I think the coaching structures are getting better and better all the time.
If there's a "massive rebuild coming soon" - that's great too.
Is there room for improvement? Yes, but at least we are on the path to getting better as opposed to pre 2000 where we thought that hurlers just appeared like magic out of thin air.
We were so behind the curve, it's was amazing we actually produced half decent senior teams at all pre 2000.

Ps. Fanning is a very good inter county goalkeeper."
I hear what your saying and those are good points. Structures in Dublin have only improved in terms of hurling, in the last 20 years and they have won far more at underage and have a national title to their name also. That was a county that at their lowest was at a lower standard then we ever were and to the general fan in Dublin, hurling still has very little interest in comparison to football in the county.
I always say that 365 is a great initiative but if the coaching the kids are getting all the way through is of a poor standard then it's not really beneficial. Why is every Wexford team at underage so poor when it comes to decision making. Shooting from ridiculous angles, not looking up when in possession, even our first touch at times is desperate. Why do our lads look so small in comparison to the other top counties? 20 years of proper structures should be by now producing better players but we're seemingly going slightly backwards in developing players.

Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 22/04/2022 15:11:42    2412298

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Fans will be out for blood if we lose tomorrow after starting the same half forward line that was annihilated vs Waterford and Galway.

Jack O Connor Oisin Foley and Chin would be an exceptionally tall strong and physical half forward line - why keep them
On the bench?

I hope for Egan's sake he manages to pull this off but he doesn't seem willing to learn from his mistakes

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 22/04/2022 15:35:46    2412314

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Replying To zinny:  "Ok lets look at that, the first one, they beat the greatest Hurling team of all time and stopped a 5 in a row and probably should have done it the year earlier but for a dubious penally. They beat Wexford in the Semi by the use of those very same players you said he never did, their introduction from the subs bench helped turn the tide in the game. They showed against Limerick last year how the could be beaten and some would say that tactically Tipp got everything right but at the end of the day Limerick just have the players. Clare won 3 in a row and only 1 All Ireland, Cork now 2 and none Tipp won two and have one. Fact is the Limerick winning teams seem far superior to what came after - they were separated by a fantastic Waterford team. By the way the 2015 only started reaching its peak in the last couple of years so your comparisons are flawed in the same way I would now have expected Corks last two years of success to immediately translate into All Ireland Senior success."
In 2019 Jake Morris did well to score a couple of points. But the Mahers won all the long ball we pumped down on their halfback line for the last 15 minutes. Sheedy didn't change tactics. We did. They then beat what was a pretty poor, by their own standards, Kilkenny side that we had already beaten and drawn with in Championship that year. That after a Quarter final win against Laois. And that after losing the Munster final by 12 points.
Yes he had his lads fired up in 2010 and they deserved the win. He is a great motivator. But the game moved on tactically and he didn't. He only made AIQFs in 2020 and 2021 despite having one of the best squads in the country. And he gave hardly any game time to lads with u20/21 all Ireland medals in those years either. Limerick were blooding lads from their 2015 u21 AI winning team and 2017 team in the year after and it paid off when those same fellas won their 1st AI in 2018. If Tipp do well this year, and it's a massive if, it will be despite Sheedy not because of him. We did well in Davys 1st year after good work by Liam Dunne. Davy left us in not too bad shape for Darragh Egan to build something on.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 22/04/2022 17:13:10    2412331

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I think theyll be 1 or 2 changes before throw in.

logger (Wexford) - Posts: 309 - 22/04/2022 17:59:54    2412336

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Replying To Viking66:  "In 2019 Jake Morris did well to score a couple of points. But the Mahers won all the long ball we pumped down on their halfback line for the last 15 minutes. Sheedy didn't change tactics. We did. They then beat what was a pretty poor, by their own standards, Kilkenny side that we had already beaten and drawn with in Championship that year. That after a Quarter final win against Laois. And that after losing the Munster final by 12 points.
Yes he had his lads fired up in 2010 and they deserved the win. He is a great motivator. But the game moved on tactically and he didn't. He only made AIQFs in 2020 and 2021 despite having one of the best squads in the country. And he gave hardly any game time to lads with u20/21 all Ireland medals in those years either. Limerick were blooding lads from their 2015 u21 AI winning team and 2017 team in the year after and it paid off when those same fellas won their 1st AI in 2018. If Tipp do well this year, and it's a massive if, it will be despite Sheedy not because of him. We did well in Davys 1st year after good work by Liam Dunne. Davy left us in not too bad shape for Darragh Egan to build something on."
He didn't change because he didn't have to, Wexford running game is very taxing and unless you have the subs capable of finishing the game it doesn't work. We changed tactics because we couldn't do anything else, we had no fresh legs and therefore couldn't continue with the same game plan. In boxing terms we were punched out while they were not. So they beat a poor Kilkenny team that we just barely got over in the Leinster final by 15 points? Amazing how you try and change the facts to suit your argument. They won the u20/21 in 2018/19 but as you say the Limerick players only started coming through in 2017/8 and there is nobody in that Tipp team up to that Limerick squad. Bonner is the manager of Tipp now and we will see how good the 18/19s really are, a manager that Wexford also got rid of. Tipp are a county that expects to be in All Irelands - so did he hold onto some players a bit too long, perhaps but that's not why they didn't beat Limerick in the past couple of years, they were the players with the physical presence that were needed they just didn't have enough - like the rest of the country. So your hero Davey - why did he only win one All Ireland with the 3 in a row Clare team?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2036 - 23/04/2022 08:42:56    2412414

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Replying To Yellow:  "Fans will be out for blood if we lose tomorrow after starting the same half forward line that was annihilated vs Waterford and Galway.

Jack O Connor Oisin Foley and Chin would be an exceptionally tall strong and physical half forward line - why keep them
On the bench?

I hope for Egan's sake he manages to pull this off but he doesn't seem willing to learn from his mistakes"
Couldn't agree more . This is the third day with a similar half forward line. Hope the gamble pays off later but I would worry about our ability to compete in that area

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 23/04/2022 10:46:17    2412431

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Replying To Yellow:  "Fans will be out for blood if we lose tomorrow after starting the same half forward line that was annihilated vs Waterford and Galway.

Jack O Connor Oisin Foley and Chin would be an exceptionally tall strong and physical half forward line - why keep them
On the bench?

I hope for Egan's sake he manages to pull this off but he doesn't seem willing to learn from his mistakes"
I'd say Chin isn't fully fit still. He'd be an automatic choice for nearly any intercounty team if he was. Still not sure where Jackos best position is. Hard to remember his best games for Wexford tbh. He does seem to play better off the bench though. And Oisin Foley is starting. I'm really hoping Kevin Foley has a good game. Hes shown he is a great hurler since underage but just hasn't got going so far this year. Mcguckin has a great engine and gets through alot of the unseen work. Mikey Dwyer likewise. There is a reason why we don't concede that many points this year and our half forward line is a large part of that. If you look back over the season since the league started the most points we have conceded in a game was 20. Darragh Egan seems to have the same philosophy as Davy in one way. Keep the game as close as possible for the 1st 50-55 minutes then try to push on and win it at the end. Only Egan saw 1st hand how that plan comes unstuck if your players have no energy left in the AISF in 2019.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 23/04/2022 11:06:37    2412440

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Replying To zinny:  "He didn't change because he didn't have to, Wexford running game is very taxing and unless you have the subs capable of finishing the game it doesn't work. We changed tactics because we couldn't do anything else, we had no fresh legs and therefore couldn't continue with the same game plan. In boxing terms we were punched out while they were not. So they beat a poor Kilkenny team that we just barely got over in the Leinster final by 15 points? Amazing how you try and change the facts to suit your argument. They won the u20/21 in 2018/19 but as you say the Limerick players only started coming through in 2017/8 and there is nobody in that Tipp team up to that Limerick squad. Bonner is the manager of Tipp now and we will see how good the 18/19s really are, a manager that Wexford also got rid of. Tipp are a county that expects to be in All Irelands - so did he hold onto some players a bit too long, perhaps but that's not why they didn't beat Limerick in the past couple of years, they were the players with the physical presence that were needed they just didn't have enough - like the rest of the country. So your hero Davey - why did he only win one All Ireland with the 3 in a row Clare team?"
Davys not my hero Zinny. That was my dad! Your use of the Clare example goes against your argument that u21s aren't ready for senior. Most of them won their senior AI when they were still u21 or just a year out of it. Alot of Limericks 2015 and 2017 winners won an AI in 2018. I saw that Tipp u20 team in the flesh when they hammered us. They were an impressive team. Tbh I don't think Bonnar is a great manager either but as you say time will tell. They did alot better against Waterford than I was expecting them to.
In 2019 Sheedys Tipp beat us when we were out on our feet and beat a 14 man Kilkenny team in the final who had won a bruising semi against Limerick which must've took alot out of them. He didn't manage to win a Munster title in any of the 3 years in his second spell.
As I said already, he is a great motivator. But as I also said he isn't very tactically minded and wasn't very good at player development.
So going back to the original point , which was actually me thinking he wasn't a great pundit, just because he was a good motivator of players and won 2 all Irelands with a great team doesn't necessarily mean he is a great pundit. His counting up of the seconds Cooney and Chin took over their respective frees from when they placed the ball missed the point of the free being overturned and a throw ball being awarded entirely. The free was overturned for timewasting when in front, i.e. unsportsmanlike behaviour, not for how long it actually took to take the free. Cooney didn't throw grass up in the air and twirl his hurl while taking all his other frees.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16752 - 23/04/2022 11:28:41    2412448

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'd say Chin isn't fully fit still. He'd be an automatic choice for nearly any intercounty team if he was. Still not sure where Jackos best position is. Hard to remember his best games for Wexford tbh. He does seem to play better off the bench though. And Oisin Foley is starting. I'm really hoping Kevin Foley has a good game. Hes shown he is a great hurler since underage but just hasn't got going so far this year. Mcguckin has a great engine and gets through alot of the unseen work. Mikey Dwyer likewise. There is a reason why we don't concede that many points this year and our half forward line is a large part of that. If you look back over the season since the league started the most points we have conceded in a game was 20. Darragh Egan seems to have the same philosophy as Davy in one way. Keep the game as close as possible for the 1st 50-55 minutes then try to push on and win it at the end. Only Egan saw 1st hand how that plan comes unstuck if your players have no energy left in the AISF in 2019."
That sums up Jacko. He hasn't nailed down any spot as a starter, but has regularly made a difference off the bench (although he was quite enough last week). I never get the clamour amongst supporters that he has to start when his prior performances suggest otherwise.

I'd rather start the younger lads and introduce the experienced fellas than the other way around. Look at Limerick a few years ago- they left Dowling, in the top 20 top championship scorers of all-time and someone who carried them for a few years, as an impact sub option as they felt he'd offer more in the last 15 minutes. Also allowed them to blood the younger stars coming through. Far more pressure on upcoming players to be thrown in with 15 minutes to try and change the game than it is an older head.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 23/04/2022 11:44:24    2412452

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Get jack or chin on for Mcguckin another poor game from him, think we have enough to beat them in the second half with the bench we have

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 23/04/2022 17:43:15    2412532

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Pathetic. Season over.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3866 - 23/04/2022 18:35:40    2412546

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "Get jack or chin on for Mcguckin another poor game from him, think we have enough to beat them in the second half with the bench we have"
Well we had enough to beat them. No faulting the effort, the heart, the spirit, but those attributes won't win games on their own.
Terrible shooting cost us again, and a 1 point return from 2 penalties is poor.

Yellaman (Wexford) - Posts: 182 - 23/04/2022 18:42:13    2412550

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Wexford can have no complaints.

Horgan gave us every advantage going in that match and still we produce a Joe McDonagh standard of hurling for the second week in a row.

We now have to beat Laois (no guarantee), Westmeath and beat Kilkenny in Nowlan Park in the last round just to try and qualify.

I still don't know what system Egan is trying to get Wexford to play.

You can't hit every single ball to Rory O'Connor and expect him to win you the game by himself.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 23/04/2022 18:45:01    2412552

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I don't know lads, that was depressing. Threw that game away so badly, completely dejected after that. Even if we pull off a miracle on the last day against KK probably still won't qualify. Year has hardly even started and it's over already.

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 23/04/2022 18:49:05    2412554

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What was Ryan at the end there? He is usually good at barrelling forward for a score himself, but the least he could have done was launch it. Pepper's inexperience told- he was like a rabbit in headlights.

Same old sorry story as regards our miss edchances. In an era where most teams have a 90+% strike-rate from placed balls, Wexford's continued struggles is an indictment. I wouldn't be as quick to blame the missed penalty as it was better struck than last week and the keeper got down well.

Fanning also fired over three long-range frees to keep us in it. ROC missed two gimme ones though, and even Chin was wide from one he'd normally knock over in his sleep. Had that goal chance in the first half gone in it would have been the goal of the year. Can't remember Dublin creating any goal chances, but the difference is that showed a lot more composure when push came to shove.

I thought they were quite cynical in the tackle throughout, and again if TJ was getting as man-handled as frequently as Rory was, there'd have been more cards dished out. Is the black card no longer a thing? Because that foul on Rory just after half-time was text-book.

I thought Reck was excellent and is quietly one of our best players without the fanfare. Paudie and Flood were good too, but the half forward line was non-existent. Kevin Foley can't start the next day- does any other county have a captain so out of form? Mogie tried his damnest too, although I think he could have gone for goal himself in the penalty incident, but Dee's form is a concern too.

It looks unlikely we'll get out of Leinster now, unless Dublin and Galway emerge as the top two over the next two gameweeks. Even if that transpires, I would never be confident of going to Nowlan Park looking for a result. Hard to know what to think of it all really. The good league form is quickly forgotten now.

One more thing, Dave McIntyre is a pain to listen to on commentary. A know-it-all that probably only started following Dublin hurling from the Dalo era.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 23/04/2022 18:54:09    2412558

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Replying To Fulgrim:  "I don't know lads, that was depressing. Threw that game away so badly, completely dejected after that. Even if we pull off a miracle on the last day against KK probably still won't qualify. Year has hardly even started and it's over already."
Pretty down myself to be honest.

We had so many chances and just about everything went wrong.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3866 - 23/04/2022 19:18:10    2412567

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Best team won, Wexford just can't seem to play against 14,no free taker & I know fanning scored 3 frees ,but another penalty missed,did the Wexford backs outscore the forwards in the 2nd half ?,if we play against laois,like we did in the 1st halfs against Galway & Dublin we will be in trouble hard to see us in the top 3 now after that today

Annesman (Wexford) - Posts: 12 - 23/04/2022 19:19:00    2412568

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