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Replying To Onfor15: "There are some pretty deluded posts here about goalkeeping.
Fanning is head, shoulders and torso ahead of any other available options." Can't understand lads slating Fanning either . Lawlor is a good chap but Fanning is the better goalkeeper at the moment
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 20/04/2022 17:36:17
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Replying To tearintom: "Oh no i remember the waterford game where we conceded how many goals again? When he tried a stupid short puckout went straight to waterford player and we got away with it only for him to do the same thing again literally 2 mins later puck it straight to a Gleeson and gets beaten at the near post!!!
I mean hes literally made about 2/3 decent saves to be fair bit ones id expect any inter county keeper to make and balanced out by not getting even close to any of the 5 and being directly responsible for multiple issues due to poor puckouts.
Id not be bringing up the waterford game as some sort of proof in all honesty and like i said one of the best shotstopper and keepers in the country, sorry no not for me." He is one of the best shot stoppers around and I'll stand by that. You can't remember the last time he made a top class save that made you go wow was your quote. Have a look at the Waterford game, the save to his bottom left was world class. He made the GAA team of the week that week as well even after letting in 5, it would have been 7 or 8 if not for him.
ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 20/04/2022 18:09:41
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Replying To Viking66: "Alot of clubs, probably most in my experience, don't have gyms like the 1 I go to or anything even resembling it." We have a field!
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 547 - 20/04/2022 19:18:22
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Replying To Viking66: "You mean the puckouts where the lads waited like statues for the ball to arrive while a Waterford player came in and took it in front of them?" 100% it's all about the out field players. I could never understand why the "pundits" used to get their knickers in a twist over Cluxtons kickouts or "restarts" as they like to call them........it was the Dublin outfield players that were making the runs.
Wexford won the second half Galway puckouts because Galway stopped moving and/or Wexford stopped Galways movement.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 547 - 20/04/2022 19:23:03
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Watching Kilkenny swat aside an Offaly side that's no better than the Laois team we played last night. Kilkenny quietly starting to dominate Leinster at underage while our coaches pat themselves on the backs for the 'great' work their doing. All I see since since the 3 in a row Leinster teams is very underwhelming underage teams (19 minor aside). A massive rebuild is coming very soon and are they player's coming in at the level of a chin, McDonald, O'Keefe and that crowd that have been great players for the county. Hugely doubtful.
How is anyone questioning Fanning btw? He's a top GK and we have nobody better than him.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "But that goes my back to my point of the GPA fighting the wrong fight. They could instead be saying to managers that four collective training sessions a week is enough, and the players could be trusted to do gym work/fitness work in their own time on the other days, at places to suit them. As beano points out, just about every player has access through their club to a gym that's close to home.
Instead the GPA talk about player welfare out of one side of their mouth, but use the other side to ask for expenses for a fifth or sixth training session in a week, instead of saying "four is enough".
On your other point, County Board members get little or no expenses for attending meetings, and certainly don't get them for attending regular meetings in Wexford, which would be the rough equivalent of players attending training sessions somewhere in Wexford. And many if not all Co. Board management committee people choose not to claim expenses for meetings or other events further afield, that they'd actually be entitled to ask for." It's at least 10 miles to the nearest decent gym I know of from where I'm standing typing this. If the GPA say to management teams that only 4 sessions is the max, will the County Boards who appoint these management teams back the players? And sack any management teams not complying? 0r will richer counties subsidise their players to get 5th and 6th sessions or matches in to get a competitive advantage? How would that be checked up on?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 20:45:25
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Replying To WEX98: "We have a field!" Beano belongs to 1 of those posh North County clubs Wex98. Wexford by the Liffey ; )
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 21:41:53
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "He is one of the best shot stoppers around and I'll stand by that. You can't remember the last time he made a top class save that made you go wow was your quote. Have a look at the Waterford game, the save to his bottom left was world class. He made the GAA team of the week that week as well even after letting in 5, it would have been 7 or 8 if not for him." No one is disputing that Fanning is not a good shot stopper. However as Liam Sheedy said on the Sunday game this week, the modern goalie has to be able to do a lot more now than just shot stopping. And that's where Mark unquestionably falls down. His decision making, concentration and distribution consistently lets him and unfortunately the team down. He has made a catalogue of errors in big games over the years. 2019 semi v Tipp, he rushed off his line into no man's land and made it easy for callanan. 2020 Leinster semi v Galway and 2021 qualifier v Clare, he came off his line for high balls which he should have left for a defender. Goals were conceded on both occasions. His crazy puck out strategy in the 2nd half of that 2019 semi v Tipp was the beginning of the end for Wexford in that game. Ok, you can argue that was a collective collapse and he wasn't the only one to blame but the root of our collapse was conceding possession to a rampant Tipp half back line. He put 3/4 frees inexplicably wide on his own side in the 2nd half of the championship game v Galway in salthill in May 2019. Then he saunters up the pitch and does the very same thing in the 2nd half last Saturday when the forwards could have made something from a decent delivery at a crucial stage of the game. That one incident pretty much sums up his time as Wexford goalie for me. I don't think he has the temperament required to play in goal and certainly not for taking penalties in big games. We were blessed to have a keeper as good as Damien Fitzhehry and no one expects to see another one as good as him but we desperately need a smart, dependable keeper who can do a bit of everything as opposed to just making the odd flashy save. I said last year that we needed a change of keeper for this year but it didn't happen. Like any position on the field, if you keep making mistakes then your position should be under threat. It seems to me that Mark is an automatic selection so long as he wants to be. He has been a great servant but next year should see a change of keeper.
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "No one is disputing that Fanning is not a good shot stopper. However as Liam Sheedy said on the Sunday game this week, the modern goalie has to be able to do a lot more now than just shot stopping. And that's where Mark unquestionably falls down. His decision making, concentration and distribution consistently lets him and unfortunately the team down. He has made a catalogue of errors in big games over the years. 2019 semi v Tipp, he rushed off his line into no man's land and made it easy for callanan. 2020 Leinster semi v Galway and 2021 qualifier v Clare, he came off his line for high balls which he should have left for a defender. Goals were conceded on both occasions. His crazy puck out strategy in the 2nd half of that 2019 semi v Tipp was the beginning of the end for Wexford in that game. Ok, you can argue that was a collective collapse and he wasn't the only one to blame but the root of our collapse was conceding possession to a rampant Tipp half back line. He put 3/4 frees inexplicably wide on his own side in the 2nd half of the championship game v Galway in salthill in May 2019. Then he saunters up the pitch and does the very same thing in the 2nd half last Saturday when the forwards could have made something from a decent delivery at a crucial stage of the game. That one incident pretty much sums up his time as Wexford goalie for me. I don't think he has the temperament required to play in goal and certainly not for taking penalties in big games. We were blessed to have a keeper as good as Damien Fitzhehry and no one expects to see another one as good as him but we desperately need a smart, dependable keeper who can do a bit of everything as opposed to just making the odd flashy save. I said last year that we needed a change of keeper for this year but it didn't happen. Like any position on the field, if you keep making mistakes then your position should be under threat. It seems to me that Mark is an automatic selection so long as he wants to be. He has been a great servant but next year should see a change of keeper." To who?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 21/04/2022 09:37:02
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Having watched Liam Sheedy's performance on TSG I am not exactly convinced he watched the match.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1917 - 21/04/2022 10:04:04
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "No one is disputing that Fanning is not a good shot stopper. However as Liam Sheedy said on the Sunday game this week, the modern goalie has to be able to do a lot more now than just shot stopping. And that's where Mark unquestionably falls down. His decision making, concentration and distribution consistently lets him and unfortunately the team down. He has made a catalogue of errors in big games over the years. 2019 semi v Tipp, he rushed off his line into no man's land and made it easy for callanan. 2020 Leinster semi v Galway and 2021 qualifier v Clare, he came off his line for high balls which he should have left for a defender. Goals were conceded on both occasions. His crazy puck out strategy in the 2nd half of that 2019 semi v Tipp was the beginning of the end for Wexford in that game. Ok, you can argue that was a collective collapse and he wasn't the only one to blame but the root of our collapse was conceding possession to a rampant Tipp half back line. He put 3/4 frees inexplicably wide on his own side in the 2nd half of the championship game v Galway in salthill in May 2019. Then he saunters up the pitch and does the very same thing in the 2nd half last Saturday when the forwards could have made something from a decent delivery at a crucial stage of the game. That one incident pretty much sums up his time as Wexford goalie for me. I don't think he has the temperament required to play in goal and certainly not for taking penalties in big games. We were blessed to have a keeper as good as Damien Fitzhehry and no one expects to see another one as good as him but we desperately need a smart, dependable keeper who can do a bit of everything as opposed to just making the odd flashy save. I said last year that we needed a change of keeper for this year but it didn't happen. Like any position on the field, if you keep making mistakes then your position should be under threat. It seems to me that Mark is an automatic selection so long as he wants to be. He has been a great servant but next year should see a change of keeper." Show me a goalie who doesn't make mistakes. Eoin murphy didn't cover himself in glory v cork in the league semi final. I feel sorry for fanning when it comes to our puck out strategy. Last Saturday he literally had no one to hit the ball to and I remember James Lawlor having similar issues for the u20's against Kilkenny in Leinster final a few years ago. It's been mentioned he conceded 5 goals v Waterford. How many of those could he have saved? As I said in an earlier post bar murphy, quaid and maybe rowland I don't see any other better keepers
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "No one is disputing that Fanning is not a good shot stopper. However as Liam Sheedy said on the Sunday game this week, the modern goalie has to be able to do a lot more now than just shot stopping. And that's where Mark unquestionably falls down. His decision making, concentration and distribution consistently lets him and unfortunately the team down. He has made a catalogue of errors in big games over the years. 2019 semi v Tipp, he rushed off his line into no man's land and made it easy for callanan. 2020 Leinster semi v Galway and 2021 qualifier v Clare, he came off his line for high balls which he should have left for a defender. Goals were conceded on both occasions. His crazy puck out strategy in the 2nd half of that 2019 semi v Tipp was the beginning of the end for Wexford in that game. Ok, you can argue that was a collective collapse and he wasn't the only one to blame but the root of our collapse was conceding possession to a rampant Tipp half back line. He put 3/4 frees inexplicably wide on his own side in the 2nd half of the championship game v Galway in salthill in May 2019. Then he saunters up the pitch and does the very same thing in the 2nd half last Saturday when the forwards could have made something from a decent delivery at a crucial stage of the game. That one incident pretty much sums up his time as Wexford goalie for me. I don't think he has the temperament required to play in goal and certainly not for taking penalties in big games. We were blessed to have a keeper as good as Damien Fitzhehry and no one expects to see another one as good as him but we desperately need a smart, dependable keeper who can do a bit of everything as opposed to just making the odd flashy save. I said last year that we needed a change of keeper for this year but it didn't happen. Like any position on the field, if you keep making mistakes then your position should be under threat. It seems to me that Mark is an automatic selection so long as he wants to be. He has been a great servant but next year should see a change of keeper." Think you are on your own with your opinion on Fanning . He is clearly the best option we have .
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 21/04/2022 10:31:44
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "No one is disputing that Fanning is not a good shot stopper. However as Liam Sheedy said on the Sunday game this week, the modern goalie has to be able to do a lot more now than just shot stopping. And that's where Mark unquestionably falls down. His decision making, concentration and distribution consistently lets him and unfortunately the team down. He has made a catalogue of errors in big games over the years. 2019 semi v Tipp, he rushed off his line into no man's land and made it easy for callanan. 2020 Leinster semi v Galway and 2021 qualifier v Clare, he came off his line for high balls which he should have left for a defender. Goals were conceded on both occasions. His crazy puck out strategy in the 2nd half of that 2019 semi v Tipp was the beginning of the end for Wexford in that game. Ok, you can argue that was a collective collapse and he wasn't the only one to blame but the root of our collapse was conceding possession to a rampant Tipp half back line. He put 3/4 frees inexplicably wide on his own side in the 2nd half of the championship game v Galway in salthill in May 2019. Then he saunters up the pitch and does the very same thing in the 2nd half last Saturday when the forwards could have made something from a decent delivery at a crucial stage of the game. That one incident pretty much sums up his time as Wexford goalie for me. I don't think he has the temperament required to play in goal and certainly not for taking penalties in big games. We were blessed to have a keeper as good as Damien Fitzhehry and no one expects to see another one as good as him but we desperately need a smart, dependable keeper who can do a bit of everything as opposed to just making the odd flashy save. I said last year that we needed a change of keeper for this year but it didn't happen. Like any position on the field, if you keep making mistakes then your position should be under threat. It seems to me that Mark is an automatic selection so long as he wants to be. He has been a great servant but next year should see a change of keeper." This reads like a witch hunt.
You mentioned Eoin Murphy earlier, Eoin Murphy was the luckiest goalkeeper ever to not cost KK a Leinster title last year.
Fanning is playing in front of a back line which top teams inevitably find holes in. Yes he makes mistakes but he is probably one of the busiest goal keepers in the country.
I have never hurled in Salthill myself but even Galway players struggle with the wind there.
Who are you putting in the goal?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1917 - 21/04/2022 10:34:17
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Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 21/04/2022 10:35:21
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Replying To Finchfurlong996: "Watching Kilkenny swat aside an Offaly side that's no better than the Laois team we played last night. Kilkenny quietly starting to dominate Leinster at underage while our coaches pat themselves on the backs for the 'great' work their doing. All I see since since the 3 in a row Leinster teams is very underwhelming underage teams (19 minor aside). A massive rebuild is coming very soon and are they player's coming in at the level of a chin, McDonald, O'Keefe and that crowd that have been great players for the county. Hugely doubtful.
How is anyone questioning Fanning btw? He's a top GK and we have nobody better than him." I understand you want higher standards, which is commendable.
However, historically, we were DIRE in terms of coaching/development of players before the 2000's.
Other counties like KK put this coaching/development in place 70 years ago and continued to improve it year on year through the generations.
Wexford have only had good coaching structures in places for the last 20 years.
I think the coaching structures are getting better and better all the time.
If there's a "massive rebuild coming soon" - that's great too.
Is there room for improvement? Yes, but at least we are on the path to getting better as opposed to pre 2000 where we thought that hurlers just appeared like magic out of thin air.
We were so behind the curve, it's was amazing we actually produced half decent senior teams at all pre 2000.
Ps. Fanning is a very good inter county goalkeeper.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Having watched Liam Sheedy's performance on TSG I am not exactly convinced he watched the match." Fairly sure he didn't. Was always a buffer.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "This reads like a witch hunt.
You mentioned Eoin Murphy earlier, Eoin Murphy was the luckiest goalkeeper ever to not cost KK a Leinster title last year.
Fanning is playing in front of a back line which top teams inevitably find holes in. Yes he makes mistakes but he is probably one of the busiest goal keepers in the country.
I have never hurled in Salthill myself but even Galway players struggle with the wind there.
Who are you putting in the goal?" I would regularly check into Kilkenny threads both on here and elsewhere, and there seems to be a good few Cat supporters who have cottoned on to Murphy's shot-stopping masking a dinosaur puck-out strategy. Most recent example being last year's AI semi-final vs Cork. And he didn't cover himself in glory vs ourselves either as you said.
I see someone reference a mistake Fanning "made" vs Galway when a short pass back to him went out for a 65. I would pin the blame for that entirely on Jippo, the execution of the pass was poor. In fact, I have thought Ryan has been below his usual standards recently, right up to HT in the Galway game (before having a stronger second half). That surely can't help Fanning either. Reminiscent of De Gea trying to fight fires at United when Maguire is repeatedly making brain farts.
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Replying To beano: "I would regularly check into Kilkenny threads both on here and elsewhere, and there seems to be a good few Cat supporters who have cottoned on to Murphy's shot-stopping masking a dinosaur puck-out strategy. Most recent example being last year's AI semi-final vs Cork. And he didn't cover himself in glory vs ourselves either as you said.
I see someone reference a mistake Fanning "made" vs Galway when a short pass back to him went out for a 65. I would pin the blame for that entirely on Jippo, the execution of the pass was poor. In fact, I have thought Ryan has been below his usual standards recently, right up to HT in the Galway game (before having a stronger second half). That surely can't help Fanning either. Reminiscent of De Gea trying to fight fires at United when Maguire is repeatedly making brain farts." Agreed the 2nd half was the first time Jippo looked decent this year. He's a great fullback though.
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Replying To Punter72007: "I understand you want higher standards, which is commendable.
However, historically, we were DIRE in terms of coaching/development of players before the 2000's.
Other counties like KK put this coaching/development in place 70 years ago and continued to improve it year on year through the generations.
Wexford have only had good coaching structures in places for the last 20 years.
I think the coaching structures are getting better and better all the time.
If there's a "massive rebuild coming soon" - that's great too.
Is there room for improvement? Yes, but at least we are on the path to getting better as opposed to pre 2000 where we thought that hurlers just appeared like magic out of thin air.
We were so behind the curve, it's was amazing we actually produced half decent senior teams at all pre 2000.
Ps. Fanning is a very good inter county goalkeeper." I think we are still behind other counties when it comes to strength and conditioning. Our guys still don't look like they're physically ready for senior inter county when they get to 19/20 and they've been in the development squad system for 5/6 years. Looking at Limerick u20's last night coughlin and English look like senior hurlers alongside cathal O'Neill who couldn't play.
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I think we are still behind other counties when it comes to strength and conditioning. Our guys still don't look like they're physically ready for senior inter county when they get to 19/20 and they've been in the development squad system for 5/6 years. Looking at Limerick u20's last night coughlin and English look like senior hurlers alongside cathal O'Neill who couldn't play." And this is where Limerick are probably ahead of most teams.
They had a guy called Mikey Kiely who was involved since 2016 with the Limerick hurlers and their underage academy.
He was experienced previous to that by working with the Limerick footballers and Clare hurling underage teams.
He has since moved onto Ulster rugby and they seem to be the better for it also.
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