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Yes but we all know that was not the correct punishment. Look I am glad that Gullane was not sent off but too much inconsistency and the consequence from one player to the other needs to be fair.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 28/07/2021 15:34:21 2365145 Link 0 |
What do you think Donal Og would be saying if it was Pat Horgan ? What did he say in 2017 about fairness when Horgan was punished in 2017 by missing a league game the next year and Gleeson an All-Ireland final ? Donal has a pair of rose tinted glasses in his back pocket the same as Derek, Cody, Kiely and everyone else.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 28/07/2021 15:48:35 2365155 Link 0 |
Good point Cockney but still that was a 12 to one KK advantage and remember 59 was won on a replay- I remember the day well.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4285 - 28/07/2021 15:55:28 2365158 Link 0 |
I don't know the ins and out of it. But do the refs leave the field of play with the umpires at half-time? Who actually drew the refs attention to the incident, and when? And why did ref wait for the teams to reappear before issuing the red card. Surely he could have knocked on the dressing room door during the half-time break and done it then.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2420 - 28/07/2021 15:55:31 2365159 Link 0 |
Again you are speculating. Why does he have to have courtesy to the team that committed the offense?? He got proper procedure a red card. Gullane should have also got one also. Just because gullane got away with it should not mean that Gleason does. The match is over so I don't understand what is to be gained ? The ref took his time, consulted with officials and came up with the right call. What's the problem ?? ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 28/07/2021 16:34:35 2365182 Link 0 |
I was to young to remember the 59 final, the 63 final (also against Waterford) being the first I have vague memories of. All sitting around watching it on the new telly. Then straight after the game, all us kids reenacting the game on the street. Ollie Walsh was my first sporting hero when I was a boy.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2420 - 28/07/2021 16:35:16 2365183 Link 0 |
That exactly is my point, a team was going to be playing with 14 men for 35/39 minutes, why give them a chance to organise- after all they would have got if the matter was dealt when it should have been.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4285 - 28/07/2021 17:26:00 2365197 Link 0 |
Kids all over the country-well at least the hurling country- did the same. lads often had mini fights over who 'would be Martin Og or Tom Cheasty'.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4285 - 28/07/2021 17:30:21 2365203 Link 0 |
If the appeal fails and everything was done correctly, I have no pity for Conor Gleeson. If the appeal is up held because the sending off was not legally done under the rules then good for Waterford and Connor. It is admirable what John Mullane did but how many suspensions were turned over before and after. John did not get a medal for this but would have if he won the All-Ireland that year. Still commendable. With regards consulting his officials from what I gather it was not officials it was one out of 7 saw anything but so be it if correct. (it was) So what is the value in consulting someone who saw nothing ? I will ask you a question ? If he should not show courtesy is it right that he should issue a third penalty in the form of springing it on Waterford to play with 14 men and don't tell me it is the same during the game as it is not ? During play they would have been expecting it and all ready making adjustment the minute the whistle goes. Are you serious about what is to be gained ? A serious player in a panel that has multiple injuries. We can talk about the Donal Og's , McGrath, pundits and managers but all will stand up for their team passionately and sometimes when incorrect. John Kiely had to do some back flips this year already.Waterford are no different. Two weeks ago Steven Frampton complained that the assessors in the stand are putting two much pressure on refs. He was doing a gig on the line Sunday and will want the assessor to rescind the suspension. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 28/07/2021 17:46:54 2365208 Link 0 |
Again the red was a correct decision! You are questioning the timing of the red. The time of the red does not matter now as the game is over and ye got the result. I thought the ref done well took his time and came up with the proper decision, this has to be comended. The evidence is on camera and if he gets off it's a disgrace. What would this show to young people. These nasty dangerous belts have to be stopped before they become common and someone gets hurt.
ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 28/07/2021 19:53:59 2365244 Link 1 |
Dont see why he couldnt
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11481 - 28/07/2021 21:02:24 2365269 Link 0 |
Congratulations Cork on a lovely win in the u20s tonight! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2188 - 28/07/2021 21:17:31 2365281 Link 1 |
It is funny you should mention the effect on young people. At the 2017 final I was sitting practically on the end line with my brother and his grandson. We were among some great Galway fans. The ref was in the middle getting ready to throw in the ball. A Galway player stepped up proceeded to beat Coughlan across the thigh. He then crossed over and did the same to Noel Connors with the umpires watching. You know part of the old softening up process. It was so obvious that the child asked why is he hitting those players. I can tell you these fine Galway fans were as disgusted as we were. Maybe the occasion got to the umpires like everyone else but I guarantee you if either retaliated we would be down to 14. Galway won we were disappointed and congratulated the Galway fans. They commiserated with us and wished us well. My point here is what is a disgrace is in the eye of the beholder and none of us can afford to put ourselves on a moral statue. Everyone that plays for Waterford or Galway are not angels. Incidentally Connors was impeded from the effect of it but no crutches or excuses Galway won deservingly. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 28/07/2021 21:26:45 2365285 Link 0 |
OMG my heart goes out to the Wexford Minors tonight....what a sicking defeat! I was sure it would be Galway v Wexford in the All Ireland Semi Final! Its Galway v Kilkenny instead :( We will try beat them for a 5th year in a row! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2188 - 28/07/2021 21:31:00 2365288 Link 1 |
The referee should not have left the field of play when there was a player lying injured on the ground,it was part of the referees duty of care to check and find out what happened there and then and check on the players injury.When Joe was coming off at ht carrying his arm in a makeshift sling from his jersey he looked to have a seriously injured arm and the commentators interpreted it as that.It looks like the referee might have been influenced by the perceived seriousness of Joes injury.I really was surprised to see Joe appearing for the second half and him seemingly with nothing wrong with the arm that we feared was seriously injured the way he was carrying it going off at half time.This may indeed be a moot point as is was a red card offence but was the referee influenced by the perceived seriousness of the inury as there may not have been any clear view of it by linesmen or umpires.If there was they would surely have immediately drawn the referees attention to it.If that is so the referee ignored it or more likely nobody saw it except the cameras.There are a lot if questions to be answered here.On what grounds did the referee issue a red card,when did he become aware of the incident and by what means?Is the referee entitled to issue a red card if neither he or his officials saw the incident and only issued the red card having come by knowledge of the incident from another source?The Waterford player, team and officials and supporters are fully entitled to know all the facts here.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 28/07/2021 21:40:40 2365292 Link 2 |
Exactly. Excellant post.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4285 - 28/07/2021 22:04:51 2365305 Link 0 |
Very fair and accurate assessment. No denying Gleeson hit Joe and a red card (that might not always get called) did not occur there and then. What transpired after is not clear. How such a perceived injury led to it being announced him been replaced but not actually happening and Gleeson's dismissal 15 minutes later. I say it again this has a smell off it but I will not cast any reflections on Joe Canning but suspicious someone else decided to make hay. I would like to know who got to who and how the decision was arrived at and hopefully that is not some trunked up story about an umpire seeing it. If it is all above board great if not remove the game suspension off Gleeson.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2642 - 28/07/2021 22:44:23 2365323 Link 0 |
"OMG my heart goes out"? The only thing that 'goes out' of you is bile and b******t.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2420 - 28/07/2021 23:32:20 2365331 Link 0 |
Thank you to Galway for the public service exercise in showing everyone that minor and u21 titles are meaningless when it comes to senior. Would ye not go way out there and pick up a few empty bottles and papers off the ground and try and win the tidy towns or the turf footing for Galway now that ye are gone from both senior codes in short order.
stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 38 - 29/07/2021 04:45:03 2365348 Link 1 |
Ye'd probably have a lot more to do if we had come through, considering we have beaten Galway in 6 out of our last 7 meetings at this grade. Congratulations to a grand Cork side on a fine win in a titanic struggle.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4285 - 29/07/2021 09:17:41 2365366 Link 0 |